Please positive Evidence for a young earth

sayak83 · May 16, 2017

Please provide positive Evidence for the young earth hypothesis. Please provide one or two points of evidence that seems particularly convincing so that the discussion is focused.
Links can be provided as support but please highlight the sections one wants to concentrate on with a brief summary so that I can understand the context.
Please refrain from "I believe because Bible says so" kind of arguments.

Thank you.

rusra02 · May 16, 2017

The Bible doesn't state the age of the earth, IMO. It simply states it was created "In the beginning." (Genesis 1:1) Therefore, I find no Biblical evidence supporting a "young earth."

columbus · May 16, 2017

rusra02 said:
The Bible doesn't state the age of the earth, IMO. It simply states it was created "In the beginning." (Genesis 1:1) Therefore, I find no Biblical evidence supporting a "young earth."

Without any trouble I can show you a NT passage tracing Jesus's genealogy to Adam, and OT passages of Adam's lifespan of 930 years, and Adam to the First Week.
Less than 10,000 years. It's in the Bible.
Tom

rusra02 · May 16, 2017

columbus said:
Without any trouble I can show you a NT passage tracing Jesus's genealogy to Adam, and OT passages of Adam's lifespan of 930 years, and Adam to the First Week.
Less than 10,000 years. It's in the Bible.
Tom

The Bible says the earth already existed prior to the events occurring on the first creative "day", which I believe was not a 24-hour period. Genesis 1:2 reports: "Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters." It was after this account of an earth in darkness that God commanded light to shine upon earth during day one. (Verses 3-5)

columbus · May 16, 2017

rusra02 said:
The Bible says the earth already existed prior to the events occurring on the first creative "day",

Where? I don't believe it does and I have read it quite thoroughly.
I believe you are making up things and adding them to Scripture.

rusra02 said:
which I believe was not a 24-hour period.

Why? What Scriptural evidence is there that a day wasn't one revolution of the sun around the earth?
I think what you are doing here is changing the clear meaning of Scripture to suit yourself.
Tom

shunyadragon · May 16, 2017

columbus said:
Without any trouble I can show you a NT passage tracing Jesus's genealogy to Adam, and OT passages of Adam's lifespan of 930 years, and Adam to the First Week.
Less than 10,000 years. It's in the Bible.
Tom

I believe the thread author asked for evidence. This is not evidence unless your purpose is sarcasm.

columbus · May 16, 2017

shunyadragon said:
I believe the thread author asked for evidence. This is not evidence unless your purpose is sarcasm.

I wasn't responding to the OP.
I was responding to the poster I quoted.

And it wasn't sarcasm. Plenty of people argue that the Bible is evidence, including the poster I responded to.
Tom

shunyadragon · May 16, 2017

columbus said:
I wasn't responding to the OP.
I was responding to the poster I quoted.

And it wasn't sarcasm. Plenty of people argue that the Bible is evidence, including the poster I responded to.
Tom

Yes some may claim that, but I believe the intent of the author . . .

From: Scientific evidence - Wikipedia

scientific evidence - is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls.

To be positive evidence for a young earth you would need physical evidence.

sayak83 said:
Please refrain from "I believe because Bible says so" kind of arguments.

columbus · May 16, 2017

shunyadragon said:
Yes some may claim that,

Lots of people. Including the poster I was responding to.
The premise that the Bible is evidence for things is extremely common here where I live.

To put in more concrete terms, there are people who claim that my marriage should not be recognized by the state because of Lev 20-13. I believe that @rusra02 is one of them. For him to then turn around and say that the Bible doesn't really mean what It says is rather profoundly hypocritical and in my opinion immoral.
Tom

shunyadragon · May 16, 2017

columbus said:
Lots of people. Including the poster I was responding to.
The premise that the Bible is evidence for things is extremely common here where I live.

To put in more concrete terms, there are people who claim that my marriage should not be recognized by the state because of Lev 20-13. I believe that @rusra02 is one of them. For him to then turn around and say that the Bible doesn't really mean what It says is rather profoundly hypocritical and in my opinion immoral.
Tom

Intent of the author of the thread:

sayak83 said:
Please refrain from "I believe because Bible says so" kind of arguments.

rusra02 · May 16, 2017

columbus said:
Where? I don't believe it does and I have read it quite thoroughly.
I believe you are making up things and adding them to Scripture.

Why? What Scriptural evidence is there that a day wasn't one revolution of the sun around the earth?
I think what you are doing here is changing the clear meaning of Scripture to suit yourself.
Tom

I have already quoted Genesis 1:1, which states God created the heavens and earth in the beginning. What occurred on the first creative period was that light was made to shine on the earth.
Genesis 2:4 says; "This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven." Here the entire creative period is spoken of as a single day. Obviously, day was used in Genesis to indicate a period of time other than 24 hours. Even the expression made of each creative period,"And there was evening and there was morning" does not equal 24 hours.

columbus · May 16, 2017

rusra02 said:
Obviously, day was used in Genesis to indicate a period of time other than 24 hours.

How is this obvious?
If you can be sure that the words didn't mean what we mean by them, why are you sure that you properly understand Lev 20- 13?

Tom

rusra02 · May 16, 2017

columbus said:
How is this obvious?
If you can be sure that the words didn't mean what we mean by them, why are you sure that you properly understand Lev 20- 13?

Tom

Sorry, I don't see the connection.

columbus · May 16, 2017

rusra02 said:
Sorry, I don't see the connection.

The connection is this.
You believe that the Bible is evidence that I shouldn't have basic civil rights. Because it opposes my marriage.
But you don't believe that the earth is a few thousand years old, because you have a different definition for "day", and are attributing it to the authors of Genesis.
This is all quite illogical. When the Bible tells you what you want to hear you believe It. When it doesn't you make up new definitions for simple words like "day", and say "Obviously" when it isn't obvious to me at all.
It looks more like you creating a God in your own image. And then reinterpreting the Bible to support that.
Tom

sayak83 · May 16, 2017

sayak83 said:
Please provide positive Evidence for the young earth hypothesis. Please provide one or two points of evidence that seems particularly convincing so that the discussion is focused.
Links can be provided as support but please highlight the sections one wants to concentrate on with a brief summary so that I can understand the context.
Please refrain from "I believe because Bible says so" kind of arguments.

Thank you.

Just to highlight the last sentence

Please refrain from "I believe because Bible says so" kind of arguments.

Kenny · May 16, 2017

sayak83 said:
Please provide positive Evidence for the young earth hypothesis. Please provide one or two points of evidence that seems particularly convincing so that the discussion is focused.
Links can be provided as support but please highlight the sections one wants to concentrate on with a brief summary so that I can understand the context.
Please refrain from "I believe because Bible says so" kind of arguments.

Thank you.

Let me start by saying that the Bible doesn't establish how old the earth is. There are factors that can go either way. (I'm not dogmatic one way or the other)

A older earth supporter said the following (which I have stated many times)

"Yes, there are always alternative answers or interpretations possible for any set of facts" -
The Salty Sea and the Age of the Earth, Part I – Confirmation Bias

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. It really doesn't matter what one supports--other scientists will have alternative answers and interpretations for the set of facts.

On a personal basis, I don't see the seven days as 24hour/days and there is the possibility of the gap theory between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 where there was one earth that was destroyed and then recreated into what we see now.

shunyadragon · May 16, 2017

KenS said:
"Yes, there are always alternative answers or interpretations possible for any set of facts" -
The Salty Sea and the Age of the Earth, Part I – Confirmation Bias.

I serious question the 'alternative answers and interpretations possible for any set of facts' from the scientific perspective, which takes priority when you are taking into consideration the physical nature of our existence and the evolution of life. The problem of history also is limited on the alternative answers and interpretations based on the evidence.

Kenny · May 16, 2017

shunyadragon said:
I serious question the 'alternative answers and interpretations possible for any set of facts' from the scientific perspective, which takes priority when you are taking into consideration the physical nature of our existence and the evolution of life. The problem of history also is limited on the alternative answers and interpretations based on the evidence.

I prefer the simple statement (as in the creation of what we see) -- all scientists view the same facts but have different interpretations and answers to what we see.

shunyadragon · May 16, 2017

KenS said:
I prefer the simple statement (as in the creation of what we see) -- all scientists view the same facts but have different interpretations and answers to what we see.

I do not buy this vague response unless you can provide better documentation. Virtually 95%+ of all scientists do not vary significantly on their almost universal support of the science of evolution, history of the earth and the universe.

rusra02 · May 17, 2017

columbus said:
The connection is this.
You believe that the Bible is evidence that I shouldn't have basic civil rights. Because it opposes my marriage.
But you don't believe that the earth is a few thousand years old, because you have a different definition for "day", and are attributing it to the authors of Genesis.
This is all quite illogical. When the Bible tells you what you want to hear you believe It. When it doesn't you make up new definitions for simple words like "day", and say "Obviously" when it isn't obvious to me at all.
It looks more like you creating a God in your own image. And then reinterpreting the Bible to support that.
Tom

God's word does not address political issues, such as banning same sex marriage. It does clearly state God's views on how we should live and what practices to avoid, IMO. I believe Genesis also clearly reports on how the heavens and earth were created. These are my sincerely held beliefs, not reinterpreting the Bible to conform to my personal wishes.

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