Misquote in the Gospel

djhwoodwerks · Apr 4, 2017

kjw47 said:
You must have missed this truth-- Matt 24:45---Gods word assures--Jesus would appoint the faithful and discreet slave

Matthew 24:45 (ESV Strong's) 45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?

Please decipher that verse with your glasses and show us where it says, Jesus 'WOULD' appoint a slave".

djhwoodwerks · Apr 4, 2017

kjw47 said:
The JW,s have the truth.

Come on now, you don't read your magazine do you? Witnesses don't have THE truth, they have the slaves understanding of the truth! Truth never changes, does it? You can't say, 'that's the truth" and when it changes say, "that's even truer" can you?

kjw47 · Apr 5, 2017

savagewind said:
45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?
46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.
47Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,'
49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards

WHERE is Jesus mentioned there @kjw47

Jesus is the master. Who else is supposed to return?

kjw47 · Apr 5, 2017

savagewind said:
@kjw47 You say Matthew 24:45 is about the governing body members being appointed to feed the people of a household. Who do you think appointed them? Was it Jesus or Jehovah?
How do you know it is about the household of God and not about some other people?

1. WHO is the master illustrated at Matthew 24:45?
2. What household?
3. Who are the ones appointed?

What proof do you have that it is about the governing body and YOU?

None. Right?

I cant prove it to you. But I do know this--Every mortal on earth that knows and loves the real Jesus, already knows it is him.

kjw47 · Apr 5, 2017

djhwoodwerks said:
Come on now, you don't read your magazine do you? Witnesses don't have THE truth, they have the slaves understanding of the truth! Truth never changes, does it? You can't say, 'that's the truth" and when it changes say, "that's even truer" can you?

Bad teachings started in Jesus new religion in Peters books--as well Titus had to be left behind to correct errors that were being taught.
Jesus tried as hard as he could to get the Pharisees to make corrections to bad teachings as well--they refused--the wise make correction--The unwise think they have truth and it cannot be changed by satan, yet he has done it all along in the bible-He got Gods chosen( Israel-ot) to fall over and over.
If correction is needed then its not truth to start with.
When will the divided house that will not stand make correction?

kjw47 · Apr 5, 2017

djhwoodwerks said:
Matthew 24:45 (ESV Strong's) 45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?

Please decipher that verse with your glasses and show us where it says, Jesus 'WOULD' appoint a slave".

Jesus is that master--every one knows it. Your teacher knows it. So why stand in opposition--not very wise.

savagewind · Apr 5, 2017

kjw47 said:
Jesus is the master. Who else is supposed to return?

If Jesus is away so that he will return then what does this mean?
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.
Matthew 28:20
teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
Acts 18:10 For I am with you

djhwoodwerks · Apr 5, 2017

kjw47 said:
If correction is needed then its not truth to start with.

Those words were written by YOU. So what does that tell you about ALL the correction your slave has made? Haven't they proclaimed for 100 years that "they alone have the truth"?

Your org, teaches that they always make corrections and that Christendom never does, so, according to YOUR words, who really has the TRUTH?

djhwoodwerks · Apr 5, 2017

kjw47 said:
Jesus is the master. Who else is supposed to return?

So you agree that it is Jesus Who is returning and no one else, correct?

Then please tell us Who this verse is referring to!

Revelation 1:8 (ESV Strong's) 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

kjw47 · Apr 7, 2017

savagewind said:
If Jesus is away so that he will return then what does this mean?
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.
Matthew 28:20
teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
Acts 18:10 For I am with you

He is still foretold to return. It began in 1914 when he received his crown( the presence) He will return to the earth( physically) at Har-mageddon, leading Gods armies to wipe wickedness off of his Fathers earth, and to capture satan and his angels and abyss them for 1000 years.

Matt 28--thank you--a very good teaching---one can ask--Why doesn't any trinity teacher teach one to obey every single teaching of Jesus--When I post the 6 teachings that prove the JW teachers are correct--no Trinitarian believes Jesus taught those teachings--even though those 6 teachings are in every translation on earth--something wrong in that picture.

kjw47 · Apr 7, 2017

djhwoodwerks said:
Those words were written by YOU. So what does that tell you about ALL the correction your slave has made? Haven't they proclaimed for 100 years that "they alone have the truth"?

Your org, teaches that they always make corrections and that Christendom never does, so, according to YOUR words, who really has the TRUTH?

They do have truth. The Israelites in Jesus day= Gods chosen, they had truth but had many error teachings in place. They outright refused to make correction. The difference is the JW teachers gladly make correction.
So the real life pattern is-- error teachings get in--correction is needed. The wise do just that.

There is 0 chance that the trinity scholars do not know--their religions are full of lies that need correcting. Because the facts of history prove 100% they lie and they know it. They cannot possibly not know.

kjw47 · Apr 7, 2017

djhwoodwerks said:
So you agree that it is Jesus Who is returning and no one else, correct?

Then please tell us Who this verse is referring to!

Revelation 1:8 (ESV Strong's) 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

When one knows truth--they know for sure--The Father is the only power source--it goes through Jesus( acts 2:22)--so both are coming in that aspect.
Jesus never took an iota of credit. He pointed all to his Father. His Father shares what he gets with his son.
See the words--LORD GOD-- that is the Father.
You believe Jesus is God because of a mistranslated letter at John 1:1--a small g god belongs in the last line--facts of history prove it is true.

savagewind · Apr 7, 2017

kjw47 said:
It began in 1914 when he received his crown.

Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

Matthew 28:18

What is the difference between having been given all authority and having been given a crown?

I think having a crown and having all authority is the same thing. If I am right, then he received his "crown" right after he died.

Please explain the discrepancy.

savagewind · Apr 7, 2017

@kjw47 What does Jesus receiving a crown mean?

kjw47 · Apr 8, 2017

savagewind said:
Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

Matthew 28:18

What is the difference between having been given all authority and having been given a crown?

I think having a crown and having all authority is the same thing. If I am right, then he received his "crown" right after he died.

Please explain the discrepancy.

It has been given to Jesus--it did not say it started that moment. But rev 6 is when he got the crown, and that didn't occur until these last days. He had much authority prior to that being chief of all angels.

kjw47 · Apr 8, 2017

savagewind said:
@kjw47 What does Jesus receiving a crown mean?

Fullfillment of Daniel 7:13-15

savagewind · Apr 8, 2017

kjw47 said:
It has been given to Jesus--it did not say it started that moment. .

Why doesn't Matthew 28:18 say, "all authority will be given me"?

savagewind · Apr 8, 2017

kjw47 said:
Fullfillment of Daniel 7:13-15

How can you call the vision of the first rider at Revelation 6 glorious?
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power;

savagewind · Apr 8, 2017

@kjw47 The Jehovah's Witness's New World Translation Bible says "has been".
If what you say is true that Jesus does not receive all authority until 1914
the NWT is wrong.
16 However, the 11 disciples went to Galʹi·lee+ to the mountain where Jesus had arranged for them to meet.+ 17 When they saw him, they did obeisance,* but some doubted.18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.+ 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,+baptizing them+ in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.+ And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”*+
Matthew 28 | Online Bible | New World Translation

MHz · Apr 9, 2017

savagewind said:
Why doesn't Matthew 28:18 say, "all authority will be given me"?

Hope this helps.

1Co:15:22-28:
For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father;
when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign,
till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet.
But when he saith all things are put under him,
it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that God may be all in all.

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