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angel maturino and the death penalty

Melody

Melody

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kevmicsmi said:
But cant we have a different conviction standard in order to impose the death penalty? Cant we require DNA evidence, or a confession from a sound mind?
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One could argue that a sound mind and admitting to murder don't necessarily go hand in hand...and who's to determine what "sound mind" is? Also, DNA evidence isn't infallible.

I don't believe in the death penalty at all. Murder is murder. You can put a nice name on it and say killing isn't murder when sanctioned by the law, but in my opinion it's legalized murder.

Stick them in a cell, weld the door shut and pass their meals in to them. The harm to society has been removed. I'd much rather my tax dollars went to something like this than aid to a foreign country.
 
robtex

robtex

Veteran Member
Melody said:
Stick them in a cell, weld the door shut and pass their meals in to them. The harm to society has been removed. I'd much rather my tax dollars went to something like this than aid to a foreign country.
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The idea that "theat being removed" is a strong point in this case. He was never going to be released from prision.
 
kevmicsmi

kevmicsmi

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Melody said:
One could argue that a sound mind and admitting to murder don't necessarily go hand in hand...and who's to determine what "sound mind" is? Also, DNA evidence isn't infallible.

I don't believe in the death penalty at all. Murder is murder. You can put a nice name on it and say killing isn't murder when sanctioned by the law, but in my opinion it's legalized murder.

Stick them in a cell, weld the door shut and pass their meals in to them. The harm to society has been removed. I'd much rather my tax dollars went to something like this than aid to a foreign country.
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I dont believe intentional killing of another human being is always murder. It would make an interesting topic though.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Melody said:
Stick them in a cell, weld the door shut and pass their meals in to them. The harm to society has been removed. I'd much rather my tax dollars went to something like this than aid to a foreign country.
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Too many would go insane with this - they need to be sane to be punished.
 
Melody

Melody

Well-Known Member
robtex said:
The idea that "theat being removed" is a strong point in this case. He was never going to be released from prision.
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Yeah except he probably has the run of the prison and has nothing more to lose without the death penalty so in a sense he still has some freedom.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Melody said:
Yeah except he probably has the run of the prison and has nothing more to lose without the death penalty so in a sense he still has some freedom.
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I disagree completely, but if one finds redemption and freedom in being executed by the state, then the justice system has worked flawlessly.
 
jamaesi

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
I'm quite amused at the "it's not barbarism or sick or wrong or murder when my side does it" attitude being displayed.


I'm against the death penalty. In all cases, no matter if there is overwhelming proof of guilt or just a few bits of circumstantial evidence. It's not our place to judge if the person deserves life or not. Life in jail is punishment enough.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
robtex said:
The idea that "theat being removed" is a strong point in this case. He was never going to be released from prision.
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Folks can still kill in prison. Moreover, as long as someone is alive there is a chance that they will be freed.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Here's a guy who buried a 9 year old alive in his backyard after raping her - a repeat sex offender who deserves to die.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13630559/

"Jessica had been missing for a month when she was found in March 2005 kneeling and clutching a stuffed animal, hands tied with speaker wire and fingers poking through the garbage bags in which she was buried alive in Couey’s yard. Two days earlier, Couey told detectives he had kidnapped, raped and killed the girl, who lived 150 yards from him, and he told them where to find the body.

Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for Couey, who has pleaded not guilty to charges of premeditated murder, burglary, kidnapping and sexual battery. Jury selection for his trial is expected to start July 10."
 
gnomon

gnomon

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I don't necessarily agree that this is the best academic topic for the death penalty. Once again I'll state that the case of Cory Maye, a man who shot and killed a police officer in a drug raid which pushes the limits of proper task force tactics is a more compelling case of discussing the merits of the death penalty and a few other legal issues.

If anyone is interested in this case just check out the blog http://www.theagitator.com/ for some information on the case including court transcripts. Radley Balko has already put forth the opinion that the death sentence of Cory Maye is wrong and I generally agree. Admittedly, regardless of anyone's philosphical position on the death penalty this is a tough case.

The death penalty is something I'm generally torn on because while I do not agree with the concept of state sanctioned killing of citizens if anyone I loved were murdered I know I would probably want that person to die. Especially in a situation as in the case angellous mentioned with Couey.

edit-the case of Cory Maye comprises an entire category on Balko's blog. You'll have to check his category listing to read his information on the case.
 
Mike182

Mike182

Flaming Queer
robtex said:
Matrurio was exectuted tonight (6/27) in Huntsville Tx.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/27/railroad.killer.ap/index.html

If you are not aware of the case you could probably skim these two articles here:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/resendez/track_1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Maturino_Resendiz

Of all the immates on death row Maturino must be the most cetain to have committed the crimes he was convicted of. I for one am 100 % sure he committed the crimes he was convicted of due to mountain of evidence against him.

Hence I thought he would be a great academic topic for a death penatly debate. Should he specifically have been put to death in Texas? Why or why not?
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no, he should not have been executed in Texas.

why? because he simply should not have been executed - i don't believe the death penalty is justified, either as punishment or prevention

the only purpose the death penalty serves is retribution, and i personally don't agree with that
 
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