No, that is not at all correct.
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Let's Talk About the Holy Spirit
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OK help me out then.
The Bible was translated by whom? Who did all the work?
Who did this? - http://biblehub.com/text/proverbs/4-18.htm
Oh, I get it. If you might look a little bit closer, I am censoring everybody, not just the Jehovah's Witnesses. Even the Jews, even you, oh for goodness sake.
How DARE I?
OK, I'll try and help you out. But I am not sure what you want to know. The KJV was translated by about 48 scholars in England. We know who they were and what they did. You can look all that up onoline. Other editions have been translated by teams of other scholars. Biblical scholars generally do not go on translations, but refer back to the original. There is no substitute for the original. In translation., something is always lost.
How arte you do what? Censor everyone. What does that mean?
I am not imagining that all the Bible have the same "lost" feeling. Tradition is what we have to learn by. I can prove it.
"Make" is assumed at Matthew 28:19 and "own" is assumed at Proverbs 3:5. They all say it. Don't they?
They are all wrong. They are censored in my heart. Jeremiah 31:33
Can anyone who dares debate prove to me there is no difference between "understanding" and "one's own understanding"? Proverbs 3:5
Do you "understand" the question?
Does anyone know what understanding means? The English word should give you a clue. Now as, Does God have understanding? Under WHAT would God be standing?
Try it this way. WHOSE understanding must a person lean on? God's? You kid me!
According to Proverbs 3:5, whose understanding is it OK to lean on?
Do you "understand" the question?
Does anyone know what understanding means? The English word should give you a clue. Now as, Does God have understanding? Under WHAT would God be standing?
Try it this way. WHOSE understanding must a person lean on? God's? You kid me!
According to Proverbs 3:5, whose understanding is it OK to lean on?
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Sigh sigh sigh.
That it is written, "on your own understanding do not lean" leads a person to believe there is some kind of understanding to lean on.
But if it was written (as it seems it was), on understanding do not lean, then, there is no question, "whose?".
If Matthew 28:19 really says, "Go make disciples" what follows is a world full of questions.
Do you mean me?
How?
When?
Who?
Am I ready?
Do I really know anything?
Every day!
But if it is written "Disciple" then a believer knows what that means. Every day and every where be learning from me, though I am dead, I live. I will be with you to help you. Be free!
That it is written, "on your own understanding do not lean" leads a person to believe there is some kind of understanding to lean on.
But if it was written (as it seems it was), on understanding do not lean, then, there is no question, "whose?".
If Matthew 28:19 really says, "Go make disciples" what follows is a world full of questions.
Do you mean me?
How?
When?
Who?
Am I ready?
Do I really know anything?
Every day!
But if it is written "Disciple" then a believer knows what that means. Every day and every where be learning from me, though I am dead, I live. I will be with you to help you. Be free!
That's a big "Huh ?" from me. I have no idea where you are going with this.
Who is all wrong?
Who is all wrong?
That's again a big "Huh?" from me.
Every one who trusts the wrong parts of the Bible are wrong.
How can you not understand that "make" is assumed at Matthew 28:19?
How can you not understand that "own" is assumed at Proverbs 3:5?
All the bibles say you are not to lean on your OWN understanding. But I think it means that you are not to LEAN on anyone's understanding.
Most BibleS say Jesus commanded you to MAKE disciples. No one yet can admit that what he said was to BE his disciples.
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I am going (it appears to the world that I am leaving), therefore YOU disciple the nations. Why can't it mean that we are to be his disciples everywhere and with everyone? Tell me why. Matthew 28:19
YOU have him saying that he wants more disciples. Can you prove it?
Where else in scripture is it written that God wants people to make disciples of God? Atheists have it right! They say if God is true and God wants us to believe, GOD CAN DO THAT.
I think you might agree that God can make disciples much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much better than anyone can. So, why not? Answer the question!
The gospel is about following Jesus Christ, but he was physical and those following him were physical. Jesus is not physical at Matthew 28:17-20. Correct?
When he was alive some people were taught by him. After his death, they scattered. Is it written?
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.
Do you think that maybe people followed them there? I am going to assume (is it ok for ME to assume?) that there were more than eleven present.
Jesus was a model to follow. Jesus did not make the eleven his disciples. How did they come to be so, in your opinion?
Now, you say that Jesus tells those present to make more disciples. HOW? People say, to teach them is to make them a disciple.
Do you actually believe that?
Do you trust that he or she who is taught by you is being taught by Jesus Christ? Is the meaning of disciple not, 'he who is taught'?
When he was alive some people were taught by him. After his death, they scattered. Is it written?
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.
Do you think that maybe people followed them there? I am going to assume (is it ok for ME to assume?) that there were more than eleven present.
Jesus was a model to follow. Jesus did not make the eleven his disciples. How did they come to be so, in your opinion?
Now, you say that Jesus tells those present to make more disciples. HOW? People say, to teach them is to make them a disciple.
Do you actually believe that?
Do you trust that he or she who is taught by you is being taught by Jesus Christ? Is the meaning of disciple not, 'he who is taught'?
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http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Jesus-As-Our-Teacher
Matthew 4:23
Verse Concepts
Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.
Matthew 5:2
Verse Concepts
He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,
Matthew 7:29
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for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.
Mark 6:34
Verse Concepts
When Jesus went ashore, He saw a large crowd, and He felt compassion for them because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and He began to teach them many things.
Luke 4:15
Verse Concepts
And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all.
Luke 5:3
Verse Concepts
And He got into one of the boats, which was Simon's, and asked him to put out a little way from the land. And He sat down and began teaching the people from the boat.
John 3:2
Verse Concepts
this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."
John 7:14
Verse Concepts
But when it was now the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and began to teach.
John 8:2
Verse Concepts
Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them.
Mark 4:34
Verse Concepts
and He did not speak to them without a parable; but He was explaining everything privately to His own disciples
Luke 24:27
Verse Concepts
Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scripture
Matthew 7:28
Verse Concepts
When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching;
Mark 4:2
Verse Concepts
And He was teaching them many things in parables, and was saying to them in His teaching,
John 7:16
Verse Concepts
So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT JESUS WILL STOP BEING THE TEACHER?
Matthew 4:23
Verse Concepts
Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.
Matthew 5:2
Verse Concepts
He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,
Matthew 7:29
Verse Concepts
for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.
Mark 6:34
Verse Concepts
When Jesus went ashore, He saw a large crowd, and He felt compassion for them because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and He began to teach them many things.
Luke 4:15
Verse Concepts
And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all.
Luke 5:3
Verse Concepts
And He got into one of the boats, which was Simon's, and asked him to put out a little way from the land. And He sat down and began teaching the people from the boat.
John 3:2
Verse Concepts
this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."
John 7:14
Verse Concepts
But when it was now the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and began to teach.
John 8:2
Verse Concepts
Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them.
Mark 4:34
Verse Concepts
and He did not speak to them without a parable; but He was explaining everything privately to His own disciples
Luke 24:27
Verse Concepts
Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scripture
Matthew 7:28
Verse Concepts
When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching;
Mark 4:2
Verse Concepts
And He was teaching them many things in parables, and was saying to them in His teaching,
John 7:16
Verse Concepts
So Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT JESUS WILL STOP BEING THE TEACHER?
Heads up @Deeje
You say savagewind keeps repeating questions that were answered. Is that correct?
It is not true, so what you do is you are "bearing false witness against" me. A sin?
.......................................I have never actually said that the governing body members are lying to you to get you into trouble with Jehovah.
Have I?
You say savagewind keeps repeating questions that were answered. Is that correct?
It is not true, so what you do is you are "bearing false witness against" me. A sin?
.......................................I have never actually said that the governing body members are lying to you to get you into trouble with Jehovah.
Have I?
Proverbs 3:5 here we can see that the word of God is not warning us about leaning on understanding, but is warning us about leaning on our OWN understanding.
EVERYONE writing on the forum is "leaning on understanding". Correct?
EVERYONE writing on the forum is "leaning on understanding". Correct?