I have another question for YOU to ignore

Muffled said:

I believe it is someone who thinks he was invited to the wedding only to find out he wasn't on the list.

Mat 22:12 and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding-garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and cast him out into the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

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That can't be right. As I recalled, no one who was invited came so the servants went out and BROUGHT people in. The one who was removed had been brought in, I think.

Muffled said:

I don't believe perfection is likely but I do believe it is sufficient.

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Good idea. I agree it is sufficient to be making out what it really says. Most people stop at, "it is sufficient". Do you bake?

My mania wants to say a word. I am a wanna-be writer.

So here is the dialogue.

Me: Do you bake @Muffled?
You: I believe I do @savagewind

An illustration for you:

The words of God are like a recipe. But a recipe must be right for the product to come out good. I bake. Sometimes I forget to put in an ingredient and sometimes I cook it longer than needs be. A few times I cook it less than need be.

In every situation where the recipe is not perfect, the result is not as good as perfect. For most people it is OK. But for me, I need it right.

savagewind said:

My mania wants to say a word. I am a wanna-be writer.

So here is the dialogue.

Me: Do you bake @Muffled?
You: I believe I do @savagewind

An illustration for you:

The words of God are like a recipe. But a recipe must be right for the product to come out good. I bake. Sometimes I forget to put in an ingredient and sometimes I cook it longer than needs be. A few times I cook it less than need be.

In every situation where the recipe is not perfect, the result is not as good as perfect. For most people it is OK. But for me, I need it right.

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I believe on the other hand there may be many recipes say for Chili. Mine calls for Garlic but many do not. Now for translations many English words might be chosen for a Greek word but some would be right in context and others would not. For instance I could put nutmeg in Chili but it seems highly inappropriate to do so.

Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking our meeting together,+ as some have the custom, but encouraging one another,+ and all the more so as you see the day drawing near.+

What does, "as some have the custom" mean?

Is the Bible going to Paradise with you?

Why?

Jehovah's Witnesses are certain that Jehovah by Jesus Christ will govern Paradise the Jehovah's Witness way.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't answer (my) Bible questions.

If someone in Paradise has a question about the Bible that was not settled in the Watchtower, the JWs won't be able to answer it

AND

the person with the question will have to do without the answer

SO

this will not be true for some people. Psalms 145:16

savagewind said:

Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking our meeting together,+ as some have the custom, but encouraging one another,+ and all the more so as you see the day drawing near.+

What does, "as some have the custom" mean?

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I believe it means he knew people who had developed bad habits of not attending church.

savagewind said:

Is the Bible going to Paradise with you?

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I believe I probably could do without all the accounts of the evil that men did.

savagewind said:

Why?

Jehovah's Witnesses are certain that Jehovah by Jesus Christ will govern Paradise the Jehovah's Witness way.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't answer (my) Bible questions.

If someone in Paradise has a question about the Bible that was not settled in the Watchtower, the JWs won't be able to answer it

AND

the person with the question will have to do without the answer

SO

this will not be true for some people. Psalms 145:16

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I believe if a JW takes a watchtower publication with him that Jesus should confiscate it, lol.

Muffled said:

I believe it means he knew people who had developed bad habits of not attending church.

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I do not think it means habit.

Luke 1:9 According to the custom habit of the priests
Luke 2:42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom habit
Luke 22:39 And having gone forth, He went according to the custom habit to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples also followed Him.
John 19:40 Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs habits.
Acts of the Apostles 25:16 I told them that it is not the Roman custom habit to hand over anyone before they have faced their accusers and have had an opportunity to defend themselves against the charges.
Acts of the Apostles 6:14 For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs habits Moses handed down to us.
Acts of the Apostles 16:21 by advocating customs habits unlawful for us Romans to accept or practice.

I agree with you that it is the "habit" of some to miss meetings, but the word "custom" is obviously something different than a habit.
A custom is something a person does that is linked to tradition. Can you see it? I wonder why not.

Also, forsake is the wrong word for missed meetings. If I 'forsake" meetings it means I make the promise to myself that I will never go again. Do you think that is likely?

Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is alive in the Spirit? 1 Peter 3:18

So, lady, what did you learn to do on your outing to Earth?

I learned how to shut them up.

A good thing?

I shall go public saying, I do not think so.

savagewind said:

The words of God are like a recipe. But a recipe must be right for the product to come out good. I bake. Sometimes I forget to put in an ingredient and sometimes I cook it longer than needs be. A few times I cook it less than need be.

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God, I hope not. Can't cook, LOL. My mom treats it like an art, but I need someone like Alton Brown to describe the science of what is going on so I know how it works.

savagewind said:

Might it mean that to serve God I am to believe that I should BE a disciple?

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Even if the former is what is actually said and meant, I believe that if we judge the tree by its fruit, "being" is far more important. A company that advertises a lot and doesn't focus on product and customer service will not be able to retain customers in the long run.

I do not think it is possible that by The Holy Spirit anyone ever said to make disciples. Nowhere else in scripture is it even hinted at imo.
To be a disciple is a dedication for life. It is not an easy thing to be.

But that it is written we are to be MAKING disciples, can and does lead a person to focus on it instead of first BEING a disciple.

It is my opinion that I am not ready to make anyone a disciple and I suspect I will never be good enough to do it. Does that make me disobedient to Christ's commandment? John 14:15

We can make a disciple "via osmosis", sorta. It shouldn't be a goal held to a higher priority than the first few levels of Maslow's hierarchy, though, so no bibles handed out to the starving, you know? However, if I give freely, if I am compassionate, if I do the things I'm supposed to be doing, should that not impress someone enough to consider, if not becoming a disciple, than at least being an ally and not an opponent?

Kelly of the Phoenix said:

We can make a disciple "via osmosis", sorta. It shouldn't be a goal held to a higher priority than the first few levels of Maslow's hierarchy, though, so no bibles handed out to the starving, you know? However, if I give freely, if I am compassionate, if I do the things I'm supposed to be doing, should that not impress someone enough to consider, if not becoming a disciple, than at least being an ally and not an opponent?

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Yes. I understand that by a person's good example someone might think, "I want that!". That is what preaching is for. If I am a good person and I preach, someone might make a connection. Honest to goodness, I understand why people think "make" is fine, right and AOK. I really do! But, if it is NOT what The Holy Spirit said, then is it still righteous to teach that The Holy Spirit says to make them?

Does The Holy Spirit say it is God's will that disciples are made by the effort of humans?

Yes or no?

The Holy Spirit says that disciples are made by your effort to make them so. THAT is what the Bible says.

Is it true?

Another thought. A disciple means one who is taught. Is that not so?

A disciple of Jesus is one who is taught by Jesus. Is my logic working so far?

You believe it is your job to make a disciple so you teach him with that in mind.

Who teaches him?

YOU do.

So? If you teach someone to be a disciple it follows that he becomes a disciple of YOU.

He is YOUR disciple because you are the one teaching him how to be a disciple and how to make more disciples.

A pyramid scheme it is.

On the other hand, if you BE a disciple you become like a trail blazer making it easier for people behind you to follow the way, the truth and the life.