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I Am A Good Person, Therefore, I'm Going To Heaven!
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katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
The following are not my words, but I thought they were worth sharing.
"No book has ever had as much opposition as the Bible. Men have laughed at it, scorned it, burned it, ridiculed it, and made laws against it. But the Word of God has survived. And it is applicable today as much as it was yesterday and will be tomorrow.
It’s so majestically deep that scholars could swim and never touch the bottom. Yet so wonderfully shallow that a little child could come and get a drink of water without fear of drowning. That is God’s precious, holy Word. The Word of God. Know it. Believe it. It is True."
By Adrian Rogers. © 2006 Love Worth Finding Ministries. Website. www.lwf.org.
"No book has ever had as much opposition as the Bible. Men have laughed at it, scorned it, burned it, ridiculed it, and made laws against it. But the Word of God has survived. And it is applicable today as much as it was yesterday and will be tomorrow.
It’s so majestically deep that scholars could swim and never touch the bottom. Yet so wonderfully shallow that a little child could come and get a drink of water without fear of drowning. That is God’s precious, holy Word. The Word of God. Know it. Believe it. It is True."
By Adrian Rogers. © 2006 Love Worth Finding Ministries. Website. www.lwf.org.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Your questions asked others to consider what if they are wrong in their thinking. But you're unwilling to do the same?
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
I have considered, and I have rejected Hinduism along with its many false gods. Brahma is not the one true GOD.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Just because something is written doesn't make it true.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
But what if you're wrong? You may have rejected it, but that doesn't mean it's not true. I've rejected your God after all (used to be my God too, by the way), but my rejection of your God doesn't say anything about whether I'm right or you're right. One of us is wrong, and your statements of certainty are no more certain than my statements of certainty.
Your statement that I responded to, which I've heard countless times from religious folks, is that "hey, if you atheists are right we will all just die and wink out of existence, but if I'm right you'll burn in hell for failing to worship Jesus/God."
The idea being everyone should consider changing over to Christianity just in case we are wrong because the consequences of being wrong is damnation to the Christian idea of hell.
But Christians such as yourself refuse to worship other Gods they don't believe in just in case y'all are wrong. Right? I mean if the Muslims are right and you're not following Islam the consequences for you will be damnation to hell. But you simply don't believe, and couldn't believe even if you tried, in the Islamic version of God.Therefore you should be able to clearly see why others wouldn't...or more accurately...couldn't...worship your God just in case.
muhammad_isa
Well-Known Member
What's this .. divide & rule?
Almighty God will judge between us all ... He knows who is sincere
Many denominations might say that they are the only ones to go to heaven, but they are not God .. they do not stop and think what they are saying. This is because satan is our enemy and wishes us to fail through arrogance and speak foolishly
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Which God?
Domenic
Active Member
In the beginning of this thread, I said: "I believe in God the Father, his son, Jesus, and Gods written word. I also said, I do not believe religions, or the bible are from God.
God written word are in the scrolls. Jesus is in the scrolls. There are over fifty scrolls. The bible was constructed under the, Emperor Constantine, who did not believe in our God, (Christian) but made the State religion A Christian(sic) religion. He knew there was more power controlling the people with a religion. many of the scriptures are as they were in the scrolls, but many words have been changed. Only four scrolls were used. Read the scrolls, you will find there is a big difference between the scrolls and the bible. Jesus and those who followed him, used the scrolls...God's word never has to be up dated, or changed.
Adam was in Paradise. (earth.) Father and the angels are in Heaven. No where in the scrolls, or the bible does it say men go to heaven....check it out..."The meek will inherit the earth, and reside on it forever."
God written word are in the scrolls. Jesus is in the scrolls. There are over fifty scrolls. The bible was constructed under the, Emperor Constantine, who did not believe in our God, (Christian) but made the State religion A Christian(sic) religion. He knew there was more power controlling the people with a religion. many of the scriptures are as they were in the scrolls, but many words have been changed. Only four scrolls were used. Read the scrolls, you will find there is a big difference between the scrolls and the bible. Jesus and those who followed him, used the scrolls...God's word never has to be up dated, or changed.
Adam was in Paradise. (earth.) Father and the angels are in Heaven. No where in the scrolls, or the bible does it say men go to heaven....check it out..."The meek will inherit the earth, and reside on it forever."
I didn't give a definition; I described one aspect of faith. If you want, I can explain what I base it on.
You mean this?
Hebrews 11:1(NET):
"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see."
How is this sort of faith different from wishful thinking?
I'll only deny the bad ones.
If anyone's mind is made up, it's yours: you're the one pre-judging the outcome here.
I thought Jesus had harsh words for hypocrisy, no?
Great - then there should be plenty of material for you to use when you make your case.
First off: it's not just about me. Regardless of how you feel about me personally, there are plenty of other people reading this thread. If you can show them that you're justified and I'm unreasonable, then you'll have reached people even if I'm not convinced.
As for my own motivations, I have two that are especially relevant to this thread:
- I want to learn about what people believe and why, just in order to understand other people's perspectives.
- I'd like to find a reason to consider Christian beliefs to be worthy of respect. I've looked a lot at Christianity; some of it in an attempt to become a Christian myself, and some from talking with Christians since then. I found no way to accept the core beliefs of Christianity without sacrificing my intellectual honesty, and the longer I go, the more it seems to me that there just may not be an intellectually honest way to do this for anyone... but I'd love to be proven wrong.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
It pays to follow the rules.
muhammad_isa
Well-Known Member
Not yours
Nothing is to be disregarded. Believe the truth, the whole truth and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Whether you are willing to admit it or not, there is no way of knowing for sure. There is no way of knowing absolutely whether God exists at all. Stubbornness in this regard doesn't make a difference.
They can't believe the Bible isn't perfect because they might need it to know what God says. I am aware that the best people did not have the Bible. Hebrews 11:4-40
Cherries are good, but some scriptures are not cherries. They are poison berries.
If anyone can possibly hear me, I'd like to say again that what God says we might know, listen to and pay attention to to obey God.
To call something that was changed to reflect a man's opinion (or a man's mistake) God's word is BAD. Bad, bad, bad.
Someone please tell me why a person should think to reject all scripture just because some of it is wrong.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I agree with you. It seems absurd to contend that scripture must be accepted or rejected 100%.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Nope. It doesn't ''have'' to be. However the arguments to the contrary aren't well thought out. Where is the explanations for all the mistakes , that are presented in that paradigm? They aren't there. It isn't legit.
But it is a contradictory mess. I think finding contradictions is the start of seeking what was really said.
For instance, I think it is TRUE that anyone sinning the sins of Proverbs 6:17-19 is hating Jehovah.
Do you agree? Look at it! Someone has added to it that it is Jehovah who hates. But it says "six these hate יְהוָ֑ה"
http://biblehub.com/text/proverbs/6-16.htm
Jehovah hates? But God is head over all. Or not? Contradiction your way. No contradiction my way.