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Judas

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
Why did Jesus keep company with somebody who he knew would betray him? Why did he keep company if he knew that after his betrayal Judas is going to burn in hell forever? According to the divine comedy Judas is in the lowest layer of hell suffering the worst punishments all because Jesus accepted him as his Apostle.
 

Rapha

Active Member
It all a rigged game to keep the masses under control.

The same question could be pointed at Yahweh.

Why did Yahweh allow the Apple of Knowledge event occur if He knew how His perfect world was going to fall apart into disarray ?

How long did Jesus live for ? 33 Years. 11 = rebellion. 33 = unclean Trinity x rebellion. The reptiles (Illuminati) Draconians have turned this paradise world into a religious living hell.
 

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
It all a rigged game to keep the masses under control.

The same question could be pointed at Yahweh.

Why did Yahweh allow the Apple of Knowledge event occur if He knew how His perfect world was going to fall apart into disarray ?

How long did Jesus live for ? 33 Years. 11 = rebellion. 33 = unclean Trinity x rebellion. The reptiles (Illuminati) Draconians have turned this paradise world into a religious living hell.
Yep. But once youre omnipotent you can do whatever the hell you want and it will occur. You want to be a god in a human body? You do it. You want to torture the entire creation youve made? You do it. You want to keep them retarded and uneducated about simple matters? You do it. You want to reward them from time to time and punish them from time to time? You just do it.

So i dont see much problem with Yahweh making the tree. Although i do have a problem when one says that god is all-loving and then this all-loving god creates so much suffering in the world, just doesnt make sense.
 

allfoak

Alchemist
The Bible is allegory.
Judas was the keeper of the money, he represents that part of ourselves the bible calls our carnal nature.
 

Rapha

Active Member
Although i do have a problem when one says that god is all-loving and then this all-loving god creates so much suffering in the world, just doesnt make sense.
The Draconians made up the Bible so haSatan and Yahweh are simply 2 opposite glove puppets.

The Draconians (lizards) live off misery. So with 'Divide and Conquer' they create 2 warring factions. Then they live off the wars that they create between Islam and Christianity for example.

The God Conscience (all loving God) is beyond the Universe and is neutral. The fallen angels that control this planet just want war and disguise themselves as good gods.
 

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
The Draconians made up the Bible so haSatan and Yahweh are simply 2 opposite glove puppets.

The Draconians (lizards) live off misery. So with 'Divide and Conquer' they create 2 warring factions. Then they live off the wars that they create between Islam and Christianity for example.

The God Conscience (all loving God) is beyond the Universe and is neutral. The fallen angels that control this planet just want war and disguise themselves as good gods.
Why would an all loving god be neutral? is love neutral?
 

Rapha

Active Member
Why would an all loving god be neutral? is love neutral?
If the universal God was love and good, the evil Illuminati would have crashed into the Lake of Fire for eternity years ago.

Good aliens have somehow been held back since 2007 in introducing world peace. So it seems that this world needed more evil to be distributed through its lands first.

Well, according to some sources, all of the misery will end in about 1 month (Nov 1st - 5th) so there is something optimistic to look forward to.
 

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
If the universal God was love and good, the evil Illuminati would have crashed into the Lake of Fire for eternity years ago.

Good aliens have somehow been held back since 2007 in introducing world peace. So it seems that this world needed more evil to be distributed through its lands first.

Well, according to some sources, all of the misery will end in about 1 month (Nov 1st - 5th) so there is something optimistic to look forward to.
cool. do you believe jesus was part of the illuminati reptiles?
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Someone had to give up Yeshua to fulfill the prophesy. Judas, evidently, drew the short straw. Judas, IMO, got a bad break. BTW if you go to Mexico you'll find numerous guys named Jesus but none named Judas.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Judas isn't in hell. If you recall, Judas wasn't the only Satan in the camp. Everyone has their roles in life. Sometimes you'll be righteous, and at other times you'll be a Satan (like Peter), or a Judas, or a doubting Thomas. Humble yourself before the will of God.
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Someone had to give up Yeshua to fulfill the prophesy. Judas, evidently, drew the short straw.
Except Judas didn't draw any straw. Jesus picked him personally.

And free will doesn't enter the equation when you are dealing up close and personal with an OMNIMAX god.
Tom
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Why did Jesus keep company with somebody who he knew would betray him? Why did he keep company if he knew that after his betrayal Judas is going to burn in hell forever? According to the divine comedy Judas is in the lowest layer of hell suffering the worst punishments all because Jesus accepted him as his Apostle.
The ''sacrifice'', is not like the temple sacrifices. That is what confuses people ,/imo/. Jesus ''sacrificed'' Himself by taking on sins, but notice that this does not redeem all sins, period. This means that the sacrifice is using the same 'word', /sacrifice/, but it doesn't mean that Jesus was opposed to the act. The act was deliberate, and this is also why Xianity was always a growing religion in Israel, so forth. In Islam, the 'sacrifice', or crucifixion, is said to have not occurred, you notice the similarity here? Ie, in Xianity, Jesu ascends after the crucifixion, and is even teaching after the crucifixion, so, we can infer that this is not a narrative that indicates a 'normal' sacrifice situation /like the Temple sacrifices. Hence the 'logic', of what Jesus did, is not in a situation where your op concept would 'make sense'.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Except Judas didn't draw any straw. Jesus picked him personally.

And free will doesn't enter the equation when you are dealing up close and personal with an OMNIMAX god.
Tom

I was being metaphoric. However, Judas, being a Zealot, was almost a shoo in for the job.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Why did Jesus keep company with somebody who he knew would betray him? Why did he keep company if he knew that after his betrayal Judas is going to burn in hell forever? According to the divine comedy Judas is in the lowest layer of hell suffering the worst punishments all because Jesus accepted him as his Apostle.


You need to read both different accounts in the different books.


One account he does betray Jesus, in the other he does Jesus bidding as Jesus tells him to do so.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Why did Jesus keep company with somebody who he knew would betray him? Why did he keep company if he knew that after his betrayal Judas is going to burn in hell forever? According to the divine comedy Judas is in the lowest layer of hell suffering the worst punishments all because Jesus accepted him as his Apostle.
I believe Jesus knew one of his apostles would betray him, because it was prophesied. (John 13:18) But when Jesus selected his apostles, all were sincere, righteous men, including Judas. In time, Judas developed a greedy spirit and began stealing money from funds entrusted to him. At that point, Jesus could discern Judas would betray him. (John 6:64) The Bible does not say Judas went to hell, but rather is destroyed. (John 17:12) I believe the teaching that God torments people in fire forever is a vicious lie and slanders the true God Jehovah.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
The story needed someone to do it, if Jesus never had been, then Judas would have not done what he did, so Jesus really set Judas up, and Judas did his part very well, just what Jesus wanted.
 
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