Muffled
Jesus in me
I suupose and believe you have thrown out the Tanach (OT).
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Everyone who hears of Jesus but does not accept Him is going to hell.
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I suupose and believe you have thrown out the Tanach (OT).
Levite
Higher and Higher
No, I simply interpret it in light of Rabbinic traditions and Kabbalistic teachings, rather than attempting to be a fundamentalist literalist reader of a 3000 year old text.
Nobody goes to Hell.
Well, according to Scripture, the dead Jesus went to hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Jesus went to No non-biblical hell concept of forever burning, but Jesus was in the Bible's temporary hell or the stone-cold grave.
Jesus knew what he would be doing while in hell because Jesus taught only sleep in death - John 11:11-14
So, while in hell, Jesus would be in that sleep-like state as described at Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4
Scriptural hell is temporary and comes to a final end when emptied-out hell ( the grave ) is cast into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell - Revelation 20:13-14. Enemy death will be brought to nothing on earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
The Church had to cover their butts to explain about those who died before Jesus. To bad no one from the dead ever tell us what "dead" really is.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Jesus isn't a "backstage pass to heaven." Jesus is a teacher and God-With-Us.
And the teachings of Jesus shows that Jesus is the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
So, heaven for some, but for the majority of mankind a future of forever on earth - Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5
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Jesus already explained about those who died before him at John 3:13
Doesn't Genesis 3:19 explain that death is: returning to the dust of the earth.
At John 11:11-14 Jesus tells us that being dead is: just like sleep. See also Ecclesiastes 9:5
The Psalmists also believed dead really is: sleeping while in the grave - Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4
The prophet Daniel looked forward to being awakened from death's deep sleep - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13
Even the word ' cemetery' means: sleeping place (RIP)
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I disagree. Proof-texting is worthless.
Jesus never ever explains the "death" that he experienced. Where it is, who is there, what is the escape route. Nowhere does Jesus say that he preached to any dead people when he died. Like I said the "church" created the place of death and what happens there. Then they taught that Jesus experienced it.....NOT
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I interpet according to what God says about it. Suprising as it may be to you, God knows it better than the Rabbi's or Kabbalists.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
And the Bible supports this opinion?
Blastcat
Active Member
Well, at least, Hell is a word. It's been used to scare people centuries. I am not afraid of words, however.
But if hell is a state of mind..do you also believe that heaven is a state of mind.. and does this only apply to when we HAVE minds.. i.e., while alive?
Blastcat
Active Member
And you know better than all of the above. However, they might not agree with you.
I believe that YOU believe that what you believe is true. Is that the case?
So, why would you believe that what you believe is true?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you have either made a wrong assumption or an illogiccal deduction. I believe I do not know better than God.
I believe there have been many who disagree with God. THe Pharisees of Jesus time disagreed with Jesus.
I believe what God tells me and says through me is true.
I believe I have always found what God says to be true is.
Levite
Higher and Higher
I believe Torah (in its widest sense, including Oral Torah) is a cooperative endeavor between God and human beings, and that He wishes us to interpret it ourselves, and not for us to look to Him all the time for His interpretations.
Blastcat
Active Member
Don't be shy.. please tell me what assumption I am making, or what illogical deduction.
You said that you know better than other humans who you disagree with on how to interpret what the "word of god " might or might not be.
Why should I believe that you know better what god thinks than any other believer?
The Pharisees believed Jesus to be a charlatan. Why should I agree with your interpretations and not theirs?
You just believe that what you believe is true.
Why should I believe your belief about your belief is true?
Your answer is that you believe that you have always found your interpretation of what god says is true?
You justify your belief with your belief?
How wonderfully circular your thinking is!
Circular thinking is a prime example of illogical deduction.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Of course.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe so.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe your following statement that I know better and that is only to the extent that God informs me because as I said before it is what God knows not what I know.
I believe that is because God is in me. I believe God was in Jesus and not in the Pharisees.
If I boil an egg and the cookbook says that it will become hard then I will find out the cookbook is true because the egg is hard. If I hear God speak a prophecy and the prophecy comes true then I know I have heard and do hear from God.
I believe my answer lies in the previous statement. Evidence reveals the truth.
I believe you have made assumptions that are incorrect that led you to believe it was circular reasoning when it was not.
i believe if you stop making assumpotions and reason things out you will not fall into this kind of erroneous thinking.