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This is to your theses, not to the scripture.

I do not believe that.

How DO I feel about people resisting searching for the clean water source, because that is what everyone is doing. I don't hate them. Sometimes I laugh at them. Laughter is good medicine.

Mountain_Climber said:

1 John 5:16 " If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it."

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The sin is rebellion. We should not pray for good things for a rebellious soul.

savagewind said:

Are you American then? People in England say whilst. I think it is not for show. They also pronounce says like say with an s.

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Granted, some of this would be mitigated by the cultural norms where we live. My family migrated to the United States somewhere around 1884-1887. We had migrated to a Russian Polish province and from there into Germany for a while but then due to persecutions by our own blood for being Christians we moved to the United States.

Mountain_Climber said:

You will get all sorts of opinions on the Internet and in daily life as to what hate is and is not. But the basic thought of the word in relation to it's godly use is merely to resist something harmful (be that a vessel which refuses to clean itself up or whatever) with a passion that assures one will not be tempted by it.

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But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. Matthew 5:39

savagewind said:

The sin is rebellion. We should not pray for good things for a rebellious soul.

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That is very astute of you to recognize.

In that way we are in effect hating them by their own choice to have us hate them.

savagewind said:

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. Matthew 5:39

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Indeed, never return evil for evil.

It is not evil to hate evil. It is an absolute necessity and there is no time to relent it.

We cannot become like the thing we hate and yet be resisting or hating it. For then we have found a false way to justify it so long as it is us doing it.

Our failure to be complete in our hatred for evil thus harms us even as failing to be complete in our love toward God's creations.

Mountain_Climber said:

That is very astute of you to recognize.

In that way we are in effect hating them by their own choice to have us hate them.

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Half way there. We do not hate them. We love them. We want them to come back from their rebellion. But while they are at their rebellion they should know the bad which is reaped from it. It is about justice.

How many words of God must a person rebel against for him or her to be considered wicked and hated by God?

One?

savagewind said:

This is to your theses, not to the scripture.

I do not believe that.

How DO I feel about people resisting searching for the clean water source, because that is what everyone is doing. I don't hate them. Sometimes I laugh at them. Laughter is good medicine.

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Now you have stopped listening and begun reading what you wish into my words.

Are you going to let yourself continue to do that?

Go back and review what i really said.

savagewind said:

Half way there. We do not hate them. We love them. We want them to come back from their rebellion. But while they are at their rebellion they should know the bad which is reaped from it. It is about justice.

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Exactly, godly hate is about justice on behalf of love.

Why does Christianity make sins of flesh worse in God's sight than sins of spirit?

What that means is bodily uncleanness is wicked. Crimes against the world are wicked. What about rebellion against God's Holiness? Why is that OK?

Mountain_Climber said:

Now you have stopped listening and begun reading what you wish into my words.

Are you going to let yourself continue to do that?

Go back and review what i really said.

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I think you pictured people resisting Paradise is what The Bible is about. I do not believe that.

savagewind said:

One?

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You know those who have no love of or desire for God's righteousness by their relentless ways.

Matthew 7:17 "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."

The best you can do is warn them from their way and if they refuse to listen then that and all they reap from it, (including being hated by those who love righteousness), is on them. That is all part of their reaping what they have sown.

Mountain_Climber said:

Look at it from God's perspective; He has an entire family of humans to get cleaned up from the mire they have been rolling in. You can relate to that if you compare it to your own family.

Say for example your goal is to help your family and that the land you lived in was ruined by man's wars and all of your watering sources were polluted from the uncleanness practiced by all of your neighbors.

You would know that these unclean sources of water breed disease and pose a very real threat of taking the life of those who you love, especially your family who are so close to you.

So you work very hard to establish a clean source of water for your family and to repair the destruction caused of war which has made you family's life very difficult.

How are you going to feel about those outsiders who disrespect what you are trying to do for your family and so they come in and undo all of your hard work, rendering it valueless to have even tried to make things better. How are you going to feel about those who haughtily do that, who refuse to listen and care any at all about what they do and how it harms your family?

This picture is presented in the scriptures.

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YOU believe wicked can do that. I do not believe that.

Mountain_Climber said:

You know those who have no love of or desire for God's righteousness by their relentless ways.

Matthew 7:17 "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."

The best you can do is warn them from their way and if they refuse to listen then that and all they reap from it, (including being hated by those who love righteousness), is on them. That is all part of their reaping what they have sown.

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You do not hear me. I meet so many people who expect to be heard but I have found no one yet who will hear me.

That is not fair.

savagewind said:

You do not hear me. I meet so many people who expect to be heard but I have found no one yet who will hear me.

That is not fair.

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Judging by your last few posts I believe you are getting tired, so let us continue to talk at another time when we are both refreshed.

For the moment we seem to be getting nowhere and that is not a good thing to vex against.

I will speak to you later and in the meantime I will think about what you have said and hope you will do the same as to what I said.

Goodnight.

Can you picture a Bible translation as a tree?

If you meant (by that stuff about unclean invading the clean) you mean the Bible is about the fight for right, then I agree.

But, isn't the worst fight going inside all, heathen and believer alike? Jesus said take up the sword, be killed by the sword. OK?
Can your mind substitute sword with hate? Take up hate be killed by hate. Mine can.
Matthew 15:
17"Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? 18"But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.19"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders 20"These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.

Evil thoughts? What are they? What about false witness? Is saying, "God hates" a false witness? Let's talk about theft. When (I mean if) any holy word of God got changed the original meaning was taken away to make room for the false idea. That is theft.
How about adultery? The fleshly sin of adultery is very bad. Is spiritual adultery not worse? I am sure I have more to say, but I shouldn't feed the troll. Not you. I have a troll. What's wrong with that?

In case someone actually reads my posts other than one, which I seriously doubt, I do not have a real troll. So, not to worry!