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Do dreams take place in spacetime?

The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Do dreams actually follow our time pattern? Or take up space? Not the physical process, but the property from it.

If yes, then how does it appear in reality?

If no, can this apply to god's supposed timelessness and spacelessness?
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
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They take time, but no space.

I didn't know space was a physical process.

Dream appears in reality (presuming you mean objectively describable) as images in thought.

I don't see what it has to do with god described as timeless or spaceless.
 
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s2a

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Willamena said:
They take time, but no space.

I didn't know space was a physical process.
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I didn't know that either! :) Ain't we now both enlightened!

Dream appears in reality (presuming you mean objectively describable) as images in thought.
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It appears (though utterly unprovable) in "reality" that many other species capable of thought do "dream". Perhaps we are running out of available space, and don't know it!

I don't see what it has to do with god described as timeless or spaceless.
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Me neither.

Unless of course their are a heckuva lot of dolphins in Heaven, taking up "space" too.
 
The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Willamena said:
They take time, but no space.

I didn't know space was a physical process.

Dream appears in reality (presuming you mean objectively describable) as images in thought.

I don't see what it has to do with god described as timeless or spaceless.
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No, not space as the physical process, I meant the physical process in which creates dreams. Unsure if there is actual detailed studies to prove there is one for sure, or if it is just a materialist approach to mind but I notice a lot of people do think dreams are physical processes.

And often, usually by monotheists, it is considered that God exists outside of time and space. Many arguments against that proposal sprung up from something cannot exist as spaceless and timeless, but why can't God be either abstract or dream-like?
 
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roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
The Sum of Awe said:
Do dreams actually follow our time pattern? Or take up space? Not the physical process, but the property from it.

If yes, then how does it appear in reality?

If no, can this apply to god's supposed timelessness and spacelessness?
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At the very moment the dream is happening, the dream is outside the confines of time. But we can only remember them within the confines of time. We remember them as a succession of events, hence time.



Dreams do not "appear in reality". They are as real as we are.
 
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Parsimony

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If dreams are a product of the brain, then they do exist in space-time as they would be reducible to neural activity. I do recall reading about one study which showed that the rate of dream time is approximately equal to that of real time. Since the eyes can still move when one dreams, the dreamer communicated to those undertaking the study by using eye movements. I don't remember all the details, but I think they asked the sleeping subject to move their eyes in a certain way, count out 10 seconds in their dream, and then move their eyes again. It matched up pretty well.
 
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Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The Sum of Awe said:
Do dreams actually follow our time pattern? Or take up space? Not the physical process, but the property from it.

If yes, then how does it appear in reality?

If no, can this apply to god's supposed timelessness and spacelessness?
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Excellent thread. And I am 100 % sure about the answer I am going to give.
When I dream I am 100 % sure that there is no time. That is: all the moments are equal to one another, so there is neither before nor after. You figure out what absence of time (or eternity) is.
I guess there is no space either.
so, my answer is : yes. Dreams are perfect to help us figure out what the afterlife feels like. and the afterlife is God's dimension.
 
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The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Hay85 said:
Excellent thread. And I am 100 % sure about the answer I am going to give.
When I dream I am 100 % sure that there is no time. That is: all the moments are equal to one another, so there is neither before nor after. You figure out what absence of time (or eternity) is.
I guess there is no space either.
so, my answer is : yes. Dreams are perfect to help us figure out what the afterlife feels like. and the afterlife is God's dimension.
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I feel the same way about dreams. There is no duration, all 'events' are parallel in time, not linear. It's as if all are felt at once. I am leaning the same on space as well, but that's something entirely different that I haven't given much thought or experimentation.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

I am interested to know: You say dreams are perfect models for the afterlife's state, and I notice you say that this state is a dimension of its own. That's very interesting. Would you say that dreams are of this dimension as well? And is this dimension completely separate from spacetime or does it too perpetuate spacetime?
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The Sum of Awe said:
I am interested to know: You say dreams are perfect models for the afterlife's state, and I notice you say that this state is a dimension of its own. That's very interesting. Would you say that dreams are of this dimension as well? And is this dimension completely separate from spacetime or does it too perpetuate spacetime?
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Thank you.
well...firstly I believe in the existence of the soul, and soul is energy that survives because it is something inexhaustible (there is a physics process that explains that...but I am not an expert).
I think that dreams are different than the afterlife....but they are quite similar to the sensations one feels in the afterlife.
 
mainliner

mainliner

no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!
The Sum of Awe said:
Do dreams actually follow our time pattern? Or take up space? Not the physical process, but the property from it.

If yes, then how does it appear in reality?

If no, can this apply to god's supposed timelessness and spacelessness?
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i have a simple understanding of dreams.....could you explain please
 
mainliner

mainliner

no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!
Hay85 said:
Thank you.
well...firstly I believe in the existence of the soul, and soul is energy that survives because it is something inexhaustible (there is a physics process that explains that...but I am not an expert).
I think that dreams are different than the afterlife....but they are quite similar to the sensations one feels in the afterlife.
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your dreams are the afterlife.....its just that there yours and not gods .................................until we see him in are dreams then well know that there his dreams.

and we'll be in the afterlife(his dream)...but are dream as well.


thats where the we all become equal .
 
Sapiens

Sapiens

Polymathematician
The Sum of Awe said:
Do dreams actually follow our time pattern? Or take up space? Not the physical process, but the property from it.

If yes, then how does it appear in reality?

If no, can this apply to god's supposed timelessness and spacelessness?
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No, dreams are disjointed unassociated rambles that the conscious mind tries to patch together upon awakening. That's why they're often so weird, requiring the insertion of square blocks into round holes, so to speak. So they do not follow any time pattern, they take up no space (except perhaps in our brain).
 
mainliner

mainliner

no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!
sorry my bad....i was going to say thats what happens with "sleep parrelasis"
your mind cant peice together your dream so your sub conssunce parralises you so it can figue out what you couldnt....spooky feeling being controled by some sort of intelegent force.


it obviously knows more than me
 
The Hammer

The Hammer

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Premium Member
The Sum of Awe said:
Do dreams actually follow our time pattern? Or take up space? Not the physical process, but the property from it.

If yes, then how does it appear in reality?

If no, can this apply to god's supposed timelessness and spacelessness?
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They take up time and space, but the space is within your mind. They appear in reality as thoughts in our consciousness. Most dreams take less then a few seconds to minutes real-time (waking-time), while they seem much longer to the participant.

And I don't know if it can apply to the Gods.
 
mainliner

mainliner

no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!
iv had lucid dreams which go on for hours .....yet i know for a fact that iv only been asleep for about half hour...?

just one lifes little wonders i suppose
 
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