What does it mean "I never knew you"?

savagewind said:

OK Semantics. I will play. It is not possible to make a real image of YHVH.

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Ok.

But perhaps, like most people, you limit God, you make him one dimensional; you make it so that science seems to know more than scripture; You think he is one God who makes one universe and that is it. I say he is far more complex than that, far more multidimensional than that. If he can make one universe, then why not more. Do we say it is not possible, or WE can't see it. I guess that you don't believe in evolution. If you don't you should. Now if you do, then explain Genesis. Let us see if you can work it out

Now I rest for a while.....................

Robert.Evans said:

Ok.

But perhaps, like most people, you limit God, you make him one dimensional

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To be making God one dimensional is to make an image of God something that is commanded not to do so I don't.

; you make it so that science seems to know more than scripture

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Scripture knows all about the son of God. And that is about it. So yes, Science knows much much more than scripture.

; You think he is one God who makes one universe and that is it.

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I do not think that. I believe this; There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Ephesians 4:4-6

I say he is far more complex than that, far more multidimensional than that.

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Yes. God is no simpleton.

If he can make one universe, then why not more.

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God would need to be split for God to be in more than one universe. God will never abandon you. God is always present and not far off from each one who is calling on God's Name.

I guess that you don't believe in evolution.

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Belief is linked to faith. I do not put my faith in evolution. I hope to put ALL my faith in God.

If you don't you should.

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I do. Evidence proves it. To deny it is lying.

Now if you do, then explain Genesis.

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Scripture is about the will of God. God's will is all men saved and in knowledge dwell. Genesis is about that. It is not history. Haha

Now I rest for a while

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God bless your sleep.

savagewind said:

I believe this; There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Ephesians 4:4-6

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Ahhh, your signature. But what does it say at the end, other than, God is "through all and in all". Yet you said that God is NOT in all of us, only those who believe. Explain. You want the link??

Robert.Evans said:

Ahhh, your signature. But what does it say at the end, other than, God is "through all and in all". Yet you said that God is NOT in all of us, only those who believe. Explain. You want the link??

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I shall define the true god - is the one who is to be obeyed for the best destination for all. There is not one person born who is born without the possibilty to reach it. The person of God is not in us all but the opportunity to be God's children is in all. I think.

What link?

Ephesians 4:6 "over" is a preposition. It has many meanings; "through" is another preposition with many meanings; "in" is another one. In can mean in, on, at, by, with and among.

I am not going to break it down for you. Even if I should, we would disagree.

But this brings us to Jesus. If the true god is he who leads us to the best destination then to the inhabitants of Earth Jesus IS the true god. I believe it.

But see Jesus does not lead Jesus. He said he came, not to do his own will, but to do the will of the ONE by which Jesus came.

Jesus isn't Jesus' God.

I see your nap was short. I went shopping. Oh and to the Y.

If God is really in all why has the world not found justice? Where is wisdom? Why is love only for a few? Why is the world headed strait for disaster?

savagewind said:

I shall define the true god - is the one who is to be obeyed for the best destination for all. There is not one person born who is born without the possibilty to reach it. The person of God is not in us all but the opportunity to be God's children is in all. I think.

What link?

Ephesians 4:6 "over" is a preposition. It has many meanings; "through" is another preposition with many meanings; "in" is another one. In can mean in, on, at, by, with and among.

I am not going to break it down for you. Even if I should, we would disagree.

But this brings us to Jesus. If the true god is he who leads us to the best destination then to the inhabitants of Earth Jesus IS the true god. I believe it.

But see Jesus does not lead Jesus. He said he came, not to do his own will, but to do the will of the ONE by which Jesus came.

Jesus isn't Jesus' God.

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So you think that now we shall disagree then?

I will bring you back to a few points: you DID say that God is not IN us but Ephesians which you quoted disagrees. Perhaps you say that the "person" of God is not in us; if so, then he must be in some other way because he is IN US, (Eph).

BTW, did you say that evolution was correct?

Also, what was the consensus on "create" [bara] which is also used in Genesis 1.1 when God created [bara] everything. Did he choose it?? which is what you say of Isa 45.7

savagewind said:

If God is really in all why has the world not found justice? Where is wisdom? Why is love only for a few? Why is the world headed strait for disaster?

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Ahhh, so you are thinking different to me. I am notsaying as the Spirit of God or his son as we would think, but there must be something there, for we come from us. We are his DNA are we not?

what is "Y"?

Robert.Evans said:

what is "Y"?

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Good question. I think I knew you did not know. The YMCA. Young Men's Christian Association. It' a gym. I think you know the YMCA but not the Y which is what we call it here. I think it is it's official name now.

Robert.Evans said:

Ahhh, so you are thinking different to me. I am not saying as the Spirit of God or his son as we would think, but there must be something there, for we come from us. We are his DNA are we not?

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This is cryptic. DNA belongs to Earth, not to Spirit. So I have to say no, we are not his DNA. But it's funny. Funny is good.

Robert.Evans said:

So you think that now we shall disagree then?

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It is inevitable. But it seems we agree on a lot of things. I like it!

I will bring you back to a few points: you DID say that God is not IN us but Ephesians which you quoted disagrees. Perhaps you say that the "person" of God is not in us; if so, then he must be in some other way because he is IN US, (Eph).

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Ephesians does not disagree with me. The men who translated Ephesians disagree with me. The many millions of Bible readers who read it that way disagree with me. It's a heavy load to be sure.

BTW, did you say that evolution was correct?

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Yes. The evidence was not planted by Satan but I guess it would make a good story. The evidence proves it is real.

Also, what was the consensus on "create" [bara] which is also used in Genesis 1.1 when God created [bara] everything. Did he choose it?? which is what you say of Isa 45.7

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Interesting. I did not know that! I suppose I should have started at the beginning. Yes God is not a creator by accident.

I should add that bara to me means to choose but to settle on my opinion of it would be making an image of The God so let's say it is an educated guess. God chooses to create. My best guess.

savagewind said:

It is inevitable. But it seems we agree on a lot of things. I like it!Ephesians does not disagree with me. The men who translated Ephesians disagree with me. The many millions of Bible readers who read it that way disagree with me. It's a heavy load to be sure. Yes. The evidence was not planted by Satan but I guess it would make a good story. The evidence proves it is real. Interesting. I did not know that! I suppose I should have started at the beginning. Yes God is not a creator by accident.

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This is Genesis 1 from Strong's. Note that number H1254 says "create" and the definition is below:

Gen 1:1 In the beginningH7225 GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) the heavenH8064 and the earth.H776 Gen 1:1 In the beginningH7225 GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) the heavenH8064 and the earth.H776

H1254
בּרא
bârâ'
baw-raw'
A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes)

I have checked quite a few of the verses using 'bara'. It is always to do with creating or making, not choosing. Even if it were, he still has to choose it from somewhere, so where. I don't think you are being honest enough with the Text to say that Isa 45.7 does not say create evil. It does.

I can say the same about Eph 4.6. God is through all and IN all. The Greek is "en". I don't see what there is to misunderstand. Recall that you say you should speak the truth in Christ-- how am I not doing it now. I don't think a 'guess' is good enough. You need to face what it says and then when you admit that, ask why it does not make sense with other things. I don't see how we can discuss anything if you cannot accept what it says, unless you give me good reason to say I am wrong.

I don't think a 'guess' is good enough. You need to face what it says and then when you admit that, ask why it does not make sense with other things. I don't see how we can discuss anything if you cannot accept what it says, unless you give me good reason to say I am wrong.

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I agree with this. Scripture must make sense with all other scripture.

God is good says Jesus. Can good create evil? Of course not!

I can say the same about Eph 4.6. God is through all and IN all. The Greek is "en". I don't see what there is to misunderstand

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If it definitevly says "in" then Matthew 2:6 is mistaken because it also uses the word for in but says this: "'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.'"

Substitute in for among and it does not make sense. But at Ephesians "among" makes all the sense in the world. "he will walk among you" "a voice was heard in the garden" ""A voice out of heaven said "this is the beloved, listen to him"". God is indeed among the people of Earth. He is not in them. God is a Spirit.

What do you think of this:

Why the Verb ' bara' Does Not Mean

She thinks 'bara' means separate

God is Good.

Good cannot create Evil.

We have Evil.

Where does Evil come from?

Robert.Evans said:

God is Good.

Good cannot create Evil.

We have Evil.

Where does Evil come from?

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OK I think you want to drive this thread into a discussion about "free will"? Knock yourself out. (In English it means just do as you please).

I will just say evil is not one thing. It is many things. Did all the many things of evil come from one place or from many places?

When something is separated by The Holy God it means it has been chosen for the purpose of YHVH. I believe that is true about EARTH.

That means there might be planets in other places that have not been separated for YHVH.