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Christian, prove from scripture Astral projection is demonic

Everything was generalised back then. The fallen watchers taught alchemy, sorcery, lunar cycles and so on.

Ok, I’m going to mention something very logical here: if the fallen watchers taught alchemy, sorcery, lunar cycles and so on, would this not mean they got this knowledge before they were fallen? Would this not mean they knew and understood these things from God? And then through being fallen, they would only pervert them? This is what I mean by many churches and Christians have thrown the baby out with the dirty bath water. You all need to stop doing that.

Your attitude is, because there is a bad form of this, or a perverted form of it that this must mean it’s all bad. Really?

Also, the watchers taught people these things in exchange for other things. What they taught was not parse all evil, it was only knowledge. Just because they were fallen does not mean everything they now know is all of a sudden evil. Dang many Christians have such messed up, PERVERTED LOGIC.

If someone was a computer genius and then all of a sudden they go out and murder, they are a criminal now to society, or fallen, but does this mean all their knowledge of computers is now evil and false, and should be shunned? Come on.


According to the fallen watcher "a usual dream leaves the will inside the body. a lucid dream brings the will outside the body. a dream within a dream is likely a switching between the two."
i have specifically asked a spiritual contact what is the difference between a lucid dream and astral travel. Hopefully i will get a response in the next week.

My understanding of the difference between lucid and astral travel is: lucid dream is when you’re aware that your dream, at the moment you’re dreaming. Astral projection is when you take that awareness and it projects outside the body, outside the dream landscape, and your energy body is projected with your conscious awareness, and then you inter the real time zone. Your now outside the dream, it’s no longer a dream.

Also, who is your spiritual contact?


Oh an before you say 'Christians don't speak with the dead', a rapha is one of the rephaim or eternally dead. i know from experience that i have a shade in me during a OOBE in broard daylight. So as long as i seek the truth and try my utmost to get sinners to turn back to Yahushua, He will not let the demon take control of this body and make it walk into an oncoming vehicle.

I don’t understand what you’re talking about here? You have to clarify this more.


Here is a statement from the watcher concerning meditation, 'New-agers will say its good to meditate and speak with your 'contact'. However, meditation is a tricky word. Technically, it can simply mean deep thought on a subject matter but its usually used to describe transcendental meditation. In transcendental meditation a person is intentionally releasing their will and opening a spiritual conduit to...who knows where....because basically they have no idea what they are tapping into. It's rather like opening your front door wide in a bad neighborhood and then going to bed...maybe nothing happens, but then again, something really could. YHWH never approves of that which can ultimately open your life to evil spirits.'

Ok, I’m going to build on your very own analogy. Should we never open our door period and go out the house? Does YHWH disapprove of that? I can’t understand why he would from your understanding. If you’re in a bad neighborhood, whether the door is closed or open, criminals could smash your windows open and just come in, if they really wanted to.


A repented fallen seraph went further saying 'imagine that you live in a bad neighbourhood. Its nighttime and you leave the front door open and lights on. Later you go to bed and sleep. Either something nasty will drift straight in or nothing will happen'.

Yea, and what if you open your door and go outside and shut it behind you, what’s wrong with that?


Astral travel now, sorcery (a concept that man's science cannot define) back then. Same thing.


Proof astral travel is sorcery?

He contacted me after i posted a vision of what i thought was Revelation 16:10 where the sky goes black. He informed me that it was similar in many ways to Tartarus; the prison for the fallen b' nai Elohim or fallen men of God. This was where i was in the company of 3 wraiths (rephaim).
Just going about my business and turning away from numerology and the 11:11 Wake Up Call.


Ok

emails. Fallen watchers are 8ft tall built like wingless brick sht houses. The top level is equivalent to cherubs and the bottom ones are similar to wingless messenger angels.

So, this watcher contacted you via emails? Did I hear that correctly?


Speaking of the Lake of Fire. i have witnessed that place. As a demon with one foot already in the lake, i watched the flames licking a womans bones as she gave out a silentless scream with her jaw permanently open. All that is heard is the wind and flames as everyones fleshy lungs have been consumed by the fire.
How much do you want ?
A vision in Hades standing next to the Tree of Death.
A vision in Sheol watching sinners desperately trying to limit the pain of the maggots/worms that burrow through their flesh and bone 24/7. All this was watched by a witch in black cloths with a cruel wicked smile cracking its ways across her dry lips as she was trying to tempt me into numerology.
A dream of standing next to a bat like 7ft tall fallen angel with a group of witches infront of me surrounding a cauldron. The sky was black. They handed me a check with code 111222333444555...999000. In other words, follow numerology and you will ascend into darkness.

Ok, I don’t know much about numerology, but, ok. I am trying to hit at the underlying issues of astral projection
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
O.k.

So, if it is 'demonic, we are referring to demonic entities entering during projection, right?
So how is that actually demonic?
I don't think that can even happen..
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
O.k.

So, if it is 'demonic, we are referring to demonic entities entering during projection, right?
So how is that actually demonic?
I don't think that can even happen..

The key to practicing sorcery in Christianity is simply to be sure to use the name of the lord Jesus. Otherwise it is frowned upon.

Luke 9
49 “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”
50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”
 

Rapha

Active Member
who is your spiritual contact?
Confidential because the name is the real name. However the seraph is Anael and the watcher is Shemyhaza. It was Shemyhaza who contacted me verifying the vision of Tartarus. Did you know that the Tarot card with the man hanging upside down with a rope around his ankle is in reference to Shemyhaza hanging in Tartarus for just over 4000 years ?

Here is some info from Shemyhaza 'in Genesis - man was made without end of days, dna was created as imperishable. there was no law upon mankind except one command -do not eat of this tree. where there is no law, there is no sin. the tree had the ability to activate the internal eyes of Adam and Chawa. eyes is literal. there is an eye within the brain. eating and knowing opposition to His will, then places knowledge of sin - law and responsibility on mankind. in less than one day they die. 1000 years is as one day to Elohim. sin destroys dna.'


if the fallen watchers taught alchemy, sorcery, lunar cycles and so on, would this not mean they got this knowledge before they were fallen? Would this not mean they knew and understood these things from God? And then through being fallen, they would only pervert them? This is what I mean by many churches and Christians have thrown the baby out with the dirty bath water. You all need to stop doing that.
Yes to all. Everything was fine until the Apple of Knowledge event occured.
Every baby is born into sin as well as being surrounded by sin (dirty bath water). Only Jesus Christ can purify the child and water.


Your attitude is, because there is a bad form of this, or a perverted form of it that this must mean it’s all bad. Really?
Yes. Thanks to Azazel teaching mankind how to construct swords and breastplates we are now surrounded by war and even bigger WMD's.
Nothing good has come from the watchers. This is why they begged Elohim to forgive their b@stard children, the nephilim for forgiveness via Enoch.

Also, the watchers taught people these things in exchange for other things. What they taught was not parse all evil, it was only knowledge. Just because they were fallen does not mean everything they now know is all of a sudden evil. Dang many Christians have such messed up, PERVERTED LOGIC.
What other things ? Women ? And look at the mess once they fornicated with women, giants were born.
Everyone that follows the still fallen watchers end up in hell. Is that where you want to end up ? Down there, with them for the rest of eternity.
PERVERTED LOGIC or common sense ?

If someone was a computer genius and then all of a sudden they go out and murder, they are a criminal now to society, or fallen, but does this mean all their knowledge of computers is now evil and false, and should be shunned? Come on.
Ok. It depends what the user does with the knowledge. So i wonder what made the watchers NOT stop mankind from using the knowledge (that they had given for free) from using it mostly for wars.




i know from experience that i have a shade in me during a OOBE in broard daylight. So as long as i seek the truth and try my utmost to get sinners to turn back to Yahushua, He will not let the demon take control of this body and make it walk into an oncoming vehicle.
I don’t understand what you’re talking about here? You have to clarify this more.
i am similar to the demon possessed man in Matthew 8:28 in the Bible where i have got at least one nephil spirit (spirits of the nephilim) in me. i might even have a second demon, a rapha that is more powerful than the first.
During the OOBE my spirit was floating behind my host body. i could see a wraiths claw hooked into my left shoulder blade. Everything else about it was as expected. Its arm was a thin black bone rod. A black cloth covered its faceless head. The rotting black rags only went down as far as its waist.



Ok, I’m going to build on your very own analogy. Should we never open our door period and go out the house? Does YHWH disapprove of that? I can’t understand why he would from your understanding. If you’re in a bad neighborhood, whether the door is closed or open, criminals could smash your windows open and just come in, if they really wanted to.
Yes. Basically never open the door to evil spirits and invite them into your spiritual domain. All Christians are fully protected with no open doors and no windows to smash. Criminals wouldn't attack if they could see 'Neighborhood Watch' watching them. Demons don't attack when they see the Spirit of Christ ontop of your house ready to vapourize them if they are stupid enough to attack.

Yea, and what if you open your door and go outside and shut it behind you, what’s wrong with that?
In that case the demon will enter your body and enter your house once you walk through your front door.

So, this watcher contacted you via emails? Did I hear that correctly?
The mortals that live with him allow him to control their body for a few hours each week. During this time, the watcher is able to read and answer emails via possession.
 
Confidential because the name is the real name. However the seraph is Anael and the watcher is Shemyhaza. It was Shemyhaza who contacted me verifying the vision of Tartarus. Did you know that the Tarot card with the man hanging upside down with a rope around his ankle is in reference to Shemyhaza hanging in Tartarus for just over 4000 years ?

I have not studied the tarot cards, so I don’t know much about them, I have vaguely seen them. But, if the man upside down is shemyhaza hanging in tartarus for over 4000 years, then that is interesting.

So, your saying shemyhaza repented and got out of tartarus?


Here is some info from Shemyhaza 'in Genesis - man was made without end of days, dna was created as imperishable. there was no law upon mankind except one command -do not eat of this tree. where there is no law, there is no sin. the tree had the ability to activate the internal eyes of Adam and Chawa. eyes is literal. there is an eye within the brain. eating and knowing opposition to His will, then places knowledge of sin - law and responsibility on mankind. in less than one day they die. 1000 years is as one day to Elohim. sin destroys dna.'

I agree with this.


Yes to all. Everything was fine until the Apple of Knowledge event occured.
Every baby is born into sin as well as being surrounded by sin (dirty bath water). Only Jesus Christ can purify the child and water.

I was not talking about a literal baby and bath water though. It’s an analogy. You don’t throw out the baby with the dirty bath water. You don’t throw out truth because it’s mixed with some lies. You distinguish the truth from the lie and keep the truth and throw out the lie.


Yes. Thanks to Azazel teaching mankind how to construct swords and breastplates we are now surrounded by war and even bigger WMD's. Nothing good has come from the watchers. This is why they begged Elohim to forgive their b@stard children, the nephilim for forgiveness via Enoch.

They can use that same knowledge to construct tools to build instead of swords to war. Again, there is nothing evil about the knowledge, it’s what the knowledge is used for. And Azazel did not get his knowledge from himself, he got it from God, where he also got his existence from as well. Again, he perverted it and used it for evil. Don’t throw out the baby with the dirty bath water.


What other things ? Women ? And look at the mess once they fornicated with women, giants were born.
Everyone that follows the still fallen watchers end up in hell. Is that where you want to end up ? Down there, with them for the rest of eternity.
PERVERTED LOGIC or common sense ?

Common sense is not common. I never use the word common sense. I always say: uncommon sense, because most people I don’t consider to have sense. Astral projection is simply coming out of the body, that in itself is not following the watchers. You have to do evil with it in order to follow the watchers.

Coming out of your house is not following the watchers, now coming out in order to commune and mingle with them, that is different.

Ok. It depends what the user does with the knowledge. So i wonder what made the watchers NOT stop mankind from using the knowledge (that they had given for free) from using it mostly for wars.

The reason they did not stop them is because they wanted mankind to kill each other. They envied them because of Yahweh’s love for them and so they hated them. They also wanted to destroy the seed that Christ would come through.

i am similar to the demon possessed man in Matthew 8:28 in the Bible where i have got at least one nephil spirit (spirits of the nephilim) in me. i might even have a second demon, a rapha that is more powerful than the first.
During the OOBE my spirit was floating behind my host body. i could see a wraiths claw hooked into my left shoulder blade. Everything else about it was as expected. Its arm was a thin black bone rod. A black cloth covered its faceless head. The rotting black rags only went down as far as its waist.

Ok, this is very interesting what you just said here. However, stay with me here, I am going to help you with something. Your OOBE did not cause a demon to come into you, your OOBE actually REVEALED to you a demon that had a claw in your shoulder and your description of it. If OOBE’s are OF the devil, then why would the devil REVEAL himself and his claw in your shoulder? That would not help him. You see, the OOBE since it revealed this to you, NOW through that, you can do something about getting rid of this demon.

Similar to what doctors do, they diagnose, and then treat. This OOBE served as a diagnosis, which does not HELP the fallen watchers or the demons or their agenda against you. I’m just speaking logic here, that’s all.

Yes. Basically never open the door to evil spirits and invite them into your spiritual domain. All Christians are fully protected with no open doors and no windows to smash. Criminals wouldn't attack if they could see 'Neighborhood Watch' watching them. Demons don't attack when they see the Spirit of Christ ontop of your house ready to vapourize them if they are stupid enough to attack.


Alright, if Jesus is in your house and angels around your house, then what’s wrong with going outside your house with Jesus with you and angels about you?

In that case the demon will enter your body and enter your house once you walk through your front door.

Not with the angels and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and your life of righteousness, holiness and truth with you they won’t.

The mortals that live with him allow him to control their body for a few hours each week. During this time, the watcher is able to read and answer emails via possession.

Do you know this person who receives this possession? Do you know them in person?
Do they ask for any fees from you in order to give you information?
 
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Rapha

Active Member
So, your saying shemyhaza repented and got out of tartarus?
Yes. YHWH sends one of His angels to open the gates to Sheol and Tartarus and let the fallen ones roam free again. This is located at the end of Revelation 20:3 '...and after that he must be loosed a little season.'
However, Shemyhaza deserted along with 2 other fallen watchers. One of them was even caught on CCTV at a gas station at OHIO 2007. Remember Operation Iraqi Freedom ? The word 'freedom' was in reference to the repenting watchers that had rebelled against Satan. The military operation had nothing to do with todays Iraq. It was in reference to the old Iraq (Babylon).

Ref: Sightings of Angels, fallen angels, demons and other negative entities
Note there is a woman in the video who is correct when she says 'it was an angel'.


Ok, this is very interesting what you just said here. However, stay with me here, I am going to help you with something. Your OOBE did not cause a demon to come into you, your OOBE actually REVEALED to you a demon that had a claw in your shoulder and your description of it. If OOBE’s are OF the devil, then why would the devil REVEAL himself and his claw in your shoulder? That would not help him. You see, the OOBE since it revealed this to you, NOW through that, you can do something about getting rid of this demon.
i believe i saw one of the negative entities because i believe my main goal in this world is to save other sinners like myself who are also possessed. A possessed mortal is savable. A negative entity still in spiritual form is unsavable. If the sinner sees my name written back into the Book of Life, then so can theirs. All it takes is faith in Jesus Christ.

But here is the problem. If the OOBE was given by a demon, would you trust what you see ?

For me, the demon is already in me due to being caught up in a Fourth Generation Curse thanks to my mother dabbling with witchcraft.

Another OOBE showed me seeing a vertical rainbow descending from above and covering everything. This rainbow was visible only in my right eye. After the rainbow descended, all land was like a perfect summers' day paradise. My left eye showed a normal standard winters day. A contact said that i might have seen what this world will become after Judgement Day as His Golden City descends down to earth. i am still skeptical though, thinking it was more like a false paradise.

i believe this is my main task in showing other demons that they are also savable. Do you know i asked 2 Jehovah Witnesses once if a rapha can be forgiven if he seeks forgiveness. Their response was silence. i was stunned and mocked them by saying, 'so are you saying that YHWH is limited in that He cannot forgive a b@stard child of the fallen angels that begs forgiveness for his sins?'. i am sure i heard a pin drop - onto grass. Lol. YHWH is capable of everything yet the Witnesses just couldn't admit it.

Alright, if Jesus is in your house and angels around your house, then what’s wrong with going outside your house with Jesus with you and angels about you?
Nothing if you are a Christian who doesn't meditate and astral travel.

Not with the angels and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and your life of righteousness, holiness and truth with you they won’t.
meditation and astral travel 'might' throw away that protection. i say 'might' because i don't know and i don't want to find out the hard way.

Do you know this person who receives this possession? Do you know them in person?
Do they ask for any fees from you in order to give you information?
Yes, i have even got into arguments with them in dreams. Oh yes, the dream world is all connected. So if you are in the same time zone its possible to enter into a dream location by focusing on that place before falling asleep. If the other person does the same thing, its possible to meet up with friends in real 'dream' time. The problem is trying to remember what happened in the dream.

There is no cost. Its all free. That is the thing with Christians and repented negative entities; all the truth is free.
 
Yes. YHWH sends one of His angels to open the gates to Sheol and Tartarus and let the fallen ones roam free again. This is located at the end of Revelation 20:3 '...and after that he must be loosed a little season.'
However, Shemyhaza deserted along with 2 other fallen watchers. One of them was even caught on CCTV at a gas station at OHIO 2007. Remember Operation Iraqi Freedom ? The word 'freedom' was in reference to the repenting watchers that had rebelled against Satan. The military operation had nothing to do with todays Iraq. It was in reference to the old Iraq (Babylon).
Ref: Sightings of Angels, fallen angels, demons and other negative entities
Note there is a woman in the video who is correct when she says 'it was an angel'.


Now I also agree God gives fallen angels an opportunity to repent as well, yes. And what you say is interesting and that video is interesting. But, how do you know that thing on the video was shemyhaza the angel?


i believe i saw one of the negative entities because i believe my main goal in this world is to save other sinners like myself who are also possessed. A possessed mortal is savable.

Don’t they have to be saved from that demon though that is possessing them?


A negative entity still in spiritual form is unsavable.

Explain this more?

If the sinner sees my name written back into the Book of Life, then so can theirs. All it takes is faith in Jesus Christ.

How is the sinner going to see your name written there? Unless they get a supernatural revelation of it.


But here is the problem. If the OOBE was given by a demon, would you trust what you see ?

Yes in this case, because your OOBE made you see the demon having a hold on you. But, why would it be from the demon if the demon revealed itself? Satan would not want to reveal to you that he has you in his grip, that would not help his strategy, it would be more wise for him to tell you that he is NOT there. Or appear as an “angel of light”. The fact that the OOBE made you see the demon holding you, is evidence that the OOBE is neither good nor bad, it can either be used for good or bad. In your case, it was used for good because it served as a diagnosis sort of speak. And that most certainly is a helpful thing, would you not agree?


For me, the demon is already in me due to being caught up in a Fourth Generation Curse thanks to my mother dabbling with witchcraft.

Those darn parents with their generational curses. Well, the Holy Spirit and Jesus can definitely break that curse. Of course you would have to in a practical sense work with the Holy Spirit. Because the scripture says “put on the whole armor of God so you can withstand the devil”.


Another OOBE showed me seeing a vertical rainbow descending from above and covering everything. This rainbow was visible only in my right eye. After the rainbow descended, all land was like a perfect summers' day paradise. My left eye showed a normal standard winters day. A contact said that i might have seen what this world will become after Judgement Day as His Golden City descends down to earth. i am still skeptical though, thinking it was more like a false paradise.


Interesting either way.


i believe this is my main task in showing other demons that they are also savable. Do you know i asked 2 Jehovah Witnesses once if a rapha can be forgiven if he seeks forgiveness. Their response was silence. i was stunned and mocked them by saying, 'so are you saying that YHWH is limited in that He cannot forgive a b@stard child of the fallen angels that begs forgiveness for his sins?'. i am sure i heard a pin drop - onto grass. Lol. YHWH is capable of everything yet the Witnesses just couldn't admit it.

Yes, It’s possible God can forgive fallen angels. As for the demons, hmmm, I’m not sure about them. Remember they mixed allot of seed, even amongst the animal kingdom. Is God going to keep in existence things like half cockroaches and half monkey or half human? I don’t think God would allow them to be tortured forever, but surely he would destroy them because they are not part of his original design in creation.


Nothing if you are a Christian who doesn't meditate and astral travel.


But if there is no inherent evil in meditating and astral travel, why would Jesus stop protecting you if you do it? It doesn’t make sense to me.

meditation and astral travel 'might' throw away that protection. i say 'might' because i don't know and i don't want to find out the hard way.

If astral travel really was evil in itself and if it really would throw away one’s protection from God, SURELY God would have spelled this out in the scriptures and warned of it emphatically and clearly. BUT, he DID NOT.

You even said yourself, “might” and “because I don’t know”. But you said you don’t want to find out the hard way, but that kind of attitude is like me saying “I don’t want to go to work today, because I MIGHT get hit by a car walking to work, I don’t know, but I don’t want to find out”. I mean, we just can’t live life practically like that. Why would it be any different with our spiritual life? I mean, maybe I should not pray today, because a demon will see it and MIGHT start to come up with a strategy attack plan. But, WHO CARES, lol. Let em take their best shot, we got the armor of God.


Yes, i have even got into arguments with them in dreams. Oh yes, the dream world is all connected. So if you are in the same time zone its possible to enter into a dream location by focusing on that place before falling asleep. If the other person does the same thing, its possible to meet up with friends in real 'dream' time. The problem is trying to remember what happened in the dream.
There is no cost. Its all free. That is the thing with Christians and repented negative entities; all the truth is free.


Yes, I had a dream one time where me and a friend had the same dream the same night. Absolutely fascinating it was indeed. It was just one of those “proofs” that made me KNOW the mind is more than just matter.
 

Rapha

Active Member
Now I also agree God gives fallen angels an opportunity to repent as well, yes. And what you say is interesting and that video is interesting. But, how do you know that thing on the video was shemyhaza the angel?
Not quite.
Here is some more info from my angel contact concerning the fallen ones.
'Yahushua is coming to Earth to reign...don't worry about ascending into heaven...bodies of the redeemed are made to dwell here with Him in the future. Enoch's message was to the fallen Watchers whos natural habitation had been the heavens until they forsook it. He was telling them that they would not be allowed to return there since they had made their choice to incarnate here.'
So if the planet Earth was for humans, the fallen angels are still screwed. Not sure about the repented ones. At present, they don't know either.
The video of the rebelling watcher at the gas station was one of the 3 repenting watchers. i don't think it was Shemyhaza.

Don’t they have to be saved from that demon though that is possessing them?

Quote: A negative entity still in spiritual form is unsavable.
Explain this more?
Spirits cannot speak as they don't have physical voice boxes. So they cannot speak the Lords Prayer. A mortal speaking the Lords prayer is saveable. And remember, everything originated from the Word of God hence His Word is Life. If a spirit cannot speak to Him, its unsavable.

How is the sinner going to see your name written there? Unless they get a supernatural revelation of it.
True

Yes in this case, because your OOBE made you see the demon having a hold on you. But, why would it be from the demon if the demon revealed itself? Satan would not want to reveal to you that he has you in his grip, that would not help his strategy, it would be more wise for him to tell you that he is NOT there. Or appear as an “angel of light”. The fact that the OOBE made you see the demon holding you, is evidence that the OOBE is neither good nor bad, it can either be used for good or bad. In your case, it was used for good because it served as a diagnosis sort of speak. And that most certainly is a helpful thing, would you not agree?
It was good because i didn't ask for it to happen. So the Spirit of the Lord made me see the truth of whats inside me.

Yes, It’s possible God can forgive fallen angels. As for the demons, hmmm, I’m not sure about them. Remember they mixed allot of seed, even amongst the animal kingdom. Is God going to keep in existence things like half cockroaches and half monkey or half human? I don’t think God would allow them to be tortured forever, but surely he would destroy them because they are not part of his original design in creation.
The fallen angels made the mermaids, centaurs, satires, minators etc. They basically body snatched a human and put an animal on him. Mermaids anyone ? Lol. So its not really the demons fault that they were kidnapped for human mutilation.
Demons (nephil spirits) are less evil because they are 50/50 fallen angel / human so they are still saveable whilst the demon occupies a body.

But if there is no inherent evil in meditating and astral travel, why would Jesus stop protecting you if you do it? It doesn’t make sense to me.
Because it allows demons to get into your head.

If astral travel really was evil in itself and if it really would throw away one’s protection from God, SURELY God would have spelled this out in the scriptures and warned of it emphatically and clearly. BUT, he DID NOT.
He did; its just classed under the generalisation of sorcery.

You even said yourself, “might” and “because I don’t know”. But you said you don’t want to find out the hard way, but that kind of attitude is like me saying “I don’t want to go to work today, because I MIGHT get hit by a car walking to work, I don’t know, but I don’t want to find out”. I mean, we just can’t live life practically like that. Why would it be any different with our spiritual life?
Have you ever wandered what it would feel like putting you hand in a blazing fire or sticking a exposed metal rod into a live socket ? Things are not going to end very well. Same thing here. YHWH protects humans from demons. But when one dabbles in the craft, that divine protection is gone.

Well, as i said, i have asked my contact for information concerning astral travel.

i mentioned you asking 'how can you say that astral projection is sorcery then? These texts must have meant sorcery as something else, since you already just admitted that astral projection was not known then. How do you explain this now?'

This was the reply.

'well one would not leave their home unlocked with doors wide open if nobody is home for a week.'
'He also said that the connection between the spirit and body can be severed.'
'He also said that just because wicca is not mentioned in the Bible, doesn't mean that is it good. Wicca therefore falls under sorcery.'

'When astral travel occurs the spirit is at a distance from the physical body. At any moment a demon can enter the vacant host body and take up residence. When your spirit returns there is nothing to stop the demon from crushing your spirit into a remote area of your mind.'

This is where 'altars' (split personalities) come into play. You only have to look at the 2 photographs of James Holmes before and after the Bat Man shootings. Remember the saying that states 'the eyes show the spirit of the person's soul'. One photo shows James whilst the other shows the demon. No prizes for guessing which one shows the demon looking back at you. Lol.

Now if you have family members and decide to astral travel, there is nothing stopping a demon from taking control of your body and going on a killing spree. Upon returning to your body, you will possibly have to watch something horrific happening whilst the demon has full control over the motor part of your brain.

In terms of James Holmes who claims he has amnesia and doesn't remember the incident, the demon had 100% control. The original James' spirit (altar) was kept out of the loop, completely.

Predictably, new-agers will say there is nothing to fear and attacks from demons are rare or impossible.
If this was true, why on earth world my (repented) demon contact say the opposite ?
If my demon contact was still evil he would have said 'its cool and there is nothing to worry about'.

Don't do astral travel unless YHWH gives you a direct order. Even then i doubt He would give you the order. He would just do it instantly where your spirit is taken above the earth and you would probably watch the future unfolding before your very own eyes.

i suppose another way of looking at the 3 types of spiritual travel is video games.
Type I. Dreams (safe mode) would be similar to the training section of Call of Duty or Killzone 2.
Type II. Lucid Dreams (normal risk) would be similar to playing against the computer.
Type III. Astral Travel (death wish) would be similar to playing online in a real-time arena. If killzone 2 is anything to go by, death comes quickly.

Or try the film 'The Matrix'
Dreams would be similar to the training grounds.
Meditation and Astral Travel would apply to the real Matrix. i don't know about you, but i don't want to drift around a corner and bump into (demon) Agent Smith face-to-face and almost knock his glasses off. It would be like stamping a big red target circle on my forehead shouting 'shoot me'. Lol
 

Brickjectivity

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Which Jewish sources?

Psalms 42:2,3 offer a distinction between the Psalmist and his Nefesh.
Good point, but could not the Psalmist not be talking about himself in the third person? Contributing: there is Leviticus 17:14 which says the 'Nephesh' of creatures is in their blood and because it is in the blood Jews may not eat blood yet they may eat the other parts. Its one of those rare verses that gives you the cause of a prohibition. Well if it is in the blood but not the flesh, then how can one claim that 'Nephesh' refers to the entire person? It doesn't follow.

This conversation would be unnecessary were it not for the incorrect belief that prophets are fortune-tellers. A prophet warned Israel that they were doing wrong or needed to improve to avoid disaster. The warning was based around the curses and blessings of the covenant and the sensitivity of the prophet to evil. The test of a prophet wouldn't be about whether they could predict future events like the invention of television or the date of the first snowfall. They would predict disaster based upon the blessings and curses of the covenant, not based upon unnatural powers. At least that would be what they should be tested on and not upon the ability to perform miracles of any type. I think all of this hocus pocus is based upon an obscene, purposeful misrepresentation of what prophets were, so that modern thieves could claim to have powers, special relationships with God and keep people contributing to their pocket ministries.
 
Quote: A negative entity still in spiritual form is unsavable.
Spirits cannot speak as they don't have physical voice boxes. So they cannot speak the Lords Prayer. A mortal speaking the Lords prayer is saveable. And remember, everything originated from the Word of God hence His Word is Life. If a spirit cannot speak to Him, its unsavable.


One can still speak telepathically, so why can’t they be saved like that?


It was good because i didn't ask for it to happen. So the Spirit of the Lord made me see the truth of whats inside me.


So, if God took you out of your body, then coming out of your body IN and OF ITSELF is not evil or sinful or of sorcery. Otherwise if it was, God then would have been doing those things, which he does not do those things.


The fallen angels made the mermaids, centaurs, satires, minators etc. They basically body snatched a human and put an animal on him. Mermaids anyone ? Lol. So its not really the demons fault that they were kidnapped for human mutilation.
Demons (nephil spirits) are less evil because they are 50/50 fallen angel / human so they are still saveable whilst the demon occupies a body.


So a demon can be saved and that only when it possesses a human body? You would think that it would be the other way around, because possessing a human body would be a selfish act on their part. Jesus cast out demons, thus showing he did not want them to be in the human body. So, if a demon were to be saved, they would repent of this act. So how can this act save them?


Because it allows demons to get into your head.

Yea, but if there is not inherent evil in astral projection, and Jesus CAN protect you, then a demon COULD NOT get into your head. So why then would Jesus still let the demon go in the head?



Have you ever wandered what it would feel like putting you hand in a blazing fire or sticking a exposed metal rod into a live socket ? Things are not going to end very well. Same thing here. YHWH protects humans from demons. But when one dabbles in the craft, that divine protection is gone.


I can see if we leave our house to mingle with the demons, God’s protection would be gone, but if we leave the house, with God, why would the protection be gone? And were not mingling with the demons either.


Well, as i said, i have asked my contact for information concerning astral travel.
i mentioned you asking 'how can you say that astral projection is sorcery then? These texts must have meant sorcery as something else, since you already just admitted that astral projection was not known then. How do you explain this now?'
This was the reply.
'well one would not leave their home unlocked with doors wide open if nobody is home for a week.'


Ok, leave the house and lock the door, problem solved.

 
He also said that the connection between the spirit and body can be severed.'

On the side of the material world it can, yes.


He also said that just because wicca is not mentioned in the Bible, doesn't mean that is it good. Wicca therefore falls under sorcery.'

Lot casting was a form of sorcery, yet God approved it and used it. Speaking with the dead was a form of sorcery, yet Jesus did it with Moses and Elijah.


'When astral travel occurs the spirit is at a distance from the physical body. At any moment a demon can enter the vacant host body and take up residence. When your spirit returns there is nothing to stop the demon from crushing your spirit into a remote area of your mind.'

Then lock the door when you leave the house. Plus, I really do think your barking up the wrong tree. There has been veteran astral projectors who investigate and say that upon sleep, we all come out of body, we just don’t remember it. Does that mean a demon comes in the body during that time? Obviously not. There’s your consciousness, your energy body and your astral body and your physical body. Your consciousness is that thing that makes you aware. Your energy body is that thing that is a body between the astral and physical, it’s like a link between the two. That body remains in the physical body as long as your physical body remains alive. When your body dies, the energy body comes out. Now, your astral body is like your “spirit form” in the spirit world. In other words, what you will look like. Now I say all that to say this: when you astral project, what is usually projecting is your consciousness, your transferring your consciousness into your astral body and giving it some energy from your energy body, but your energy body REMAINS IN YOUR physical body. That is why the “silver cord” is still attached. That cord is transferring energy into your astral form and transferring your consciousness to the astral body. I know it sounds complicated, but I have studied this stuff and this is the meat and potato’s of the information on astral projection. So if your energy body is STILL in the physical body, then your house is “locked”. Plus, you don’t need to be out of your body for a demon to get you. All you need is to reject God and you’re done. It’s pretty simple.


This is where 'altars' (split personalities) come into play. You only have to look at the 2 photographs of James Holmes before and after the Bat Man shootings. Remember the saying that states 'the eyes show the spirit of the person's soul'. One photo shows James whilst the other shows the demon. No prizes for guessing which one shows the demon looking back at you. Lol.

Interesting, no dispute.


Now if you have family members and decide to astral travel, there is nothing stopping a demon from taking control of your body and going on a killing spree. Upon returning to your body, you will possibly have to watch something horrific happening whilst the demon has full control over the motor part of your brain.

This is got to be rare cases though. I agree this can take place, but it’s not easy for a demon to do this. The demon has to be very strong and hard at working to make this happen. Some demons are weaker than others and some work less hard then others.

In terms of James Holmes who claims he has amnesia and doesn't remember the incident, the demon had 100% control. The original James' spirit (altar) was kept out of the loop, completely.

Interesting..


Predictably, new-agers will say there is nothing to fear and attacks from demons are rare or impossible.
If this was true, why on earth world my (repented) demon contact say the opposite ?


I don’t know, you have to give me more details about this demon contact.


If my demon contact was still evil he would have said 'its cool and there is nothing to worry about'.


Thing is though, what if there really is nothing to worry about? The energy body is still in the body. And it’s not “easy” for demons to enter.

Don't do astral travel unless YHWH gives you a direct order. Even then i doubt He would give you the order. He would just do it instantly where your spirit is taken above the earth and you would probably watch the future unfolding before your very own eyes.
i suppose another way of looking at the 3 types of spiritual travel is video games.
Type I. Dreams (safe mode) would be similar to the training section of Call of Duty or Killzone 2.
Type II. Lucid Dreams (normal risk) would be similar to playing against the computer.
Type III. Astral Travel (death wish) would be similar to playing online in a real-time arena. If killzone 2 is anything to go by, death comes quickly.
Or try the film 'The Matrix'
Dreams would be similar to the training grounds.
Meditation and Astral Travel would apply to the real Matrix. i don't know about you, but i don't want to drift around a corner and bump into (demon) Agent Smith face-to-face and almost knock his glasses off. It would be like stamping a big red target circle on my forehead shouting 'shoot me'. Lol


There is many things God does not give the order for us to do, but that he wants us to make our own freedom decisions on, just as long as we don’t do evil with what we’re doing. When we actually commit a sin that is when we are outside of God’s protection. But astral projection is not a direct sin.
 

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There is many things God does not give the order for us to do, but that he wants us to make our own freedom decisions on, just as long as we don’t do evil with what we’re doing. When we actually commit a sin that is when we are outside of God’s protection. But astral projection is not a direct sin.
So do it.

For almost a year you have been trying to verify that astral travel is ok.

You asked for advice and people have said its bad. However they were ignored.

i know for a fact that there will be a demon watching you right now, just itching for you to astral travel.

i say this because last year, on another forum, a member offered to read my tarot cards. i was curious to see if and how it worked. The other guy who was pulling the cards was spot on.

i emailed my contact who said that this was possible due to the demons using telepathy. In other words, my demon subconsciously told the other guys demon what card to pull up.

So if my demon is still in me, then its already in contact with another demon floating next to you as you read these words.

The Spirit of the Lord is watching you and will banish the demon if you don't astral travel. If you astral then there is no telling how bad things can get.

Yahushua loves you. However, astral travel is tempting fate similar to the devil tempting Jesus to jump off the mountain.

"lead us not into temptation"

The choice is yours.
 
So do it.
For almost a year you have been trying to verify that astral travel is ok.


One cannot be too careful, which I am with all my subjects that I research. I take time and energy and thought and objectivity to the issues.

You asked for advice and people have said its bad. However they were ignored.

I don’t ask for opinions, I seek for debates and discussions of the issues and questions and arguments.


i know for a fact that there will be a demon watching you right now, just itching for you to astral travel.

Yea and if a astral travel and I see him, I will beat him with faith, courage and truth. Demons beat you if you fear and listen to their lies.

i say this because last year, on another forum, a member offered to read my tarot cards. i was curious to see if and how it worked. The other guy who was pulling the cards was spot on.
i emailed my contact who said that this was possible due to the demons using telepathy. In other words, my demon subconsciously told the other guys demon what card to pull up.
So if my demon is still in me, then its already in contact with another demon floating next to you as you read these words.


Oh I have no doubt there is a demon assigned to me and I think each person’s demon they are assigned has a certain strength level based on your spiritual strength level. However, I respect demons, but I will not fear them. As a believer in God and Christ, I have AUTHORITY OVER demons. Therefore, they MUST fear ME. Not the other way around.


The Spirit of the Lord is watching you and will banish the demon if you don't astral travel. If you astral then there is no telling how bad things can get.

See, this is the tricky part right here, this is where the issues meat the road, is RIGHT here. I see absolutely NO proof, textually, scripturally, logically, or practically that astral projection is sinful in and of itself by itself. None whatsoever. And if it’s not sinful in itself, then why would God lift his protection if one does it? It makes zero sense to me.

Yahushua loves you. However, astral travel is tempting fate similar to the devil tempting Jesus to jump off the mountain.
"lead us not into temptation"
The choice is yours.


Your comparing apples and oranges. The Jumping off a mountain is different than astral projecting. One is testing God and may kill you, the other is NOT testing God and cannot kill you.

You may say that astral projecting is testing God because I would be relying on him to protect me from the demon while astral projecting, well in the case, I could easily say I am testing God when I rely on him walking to work to protect me from getting hit by a car.
 

Brickjectivity

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Peddlers will say anything to sell a relic. That I know of there is no Bible scripture whether Jewish or Christian that addresses the subject of projecting consciousness, and probably 'Astral projection' is made up nonsense. Transience is the best explanation for our experiences. We are born ignorant and live just long enough to wish for more time and ask a few questions about what we are.
 

Rapha

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Yea and if a astral travel and I see him, I will beat him with faith, courage and truth. Demons beat you if you fear and listen to their lies.
Lol. So do you have Shemyhaza's true name ?
All demons go by aliases relating to a type of sin. If you haven't got their true id's, you are already screwed. How can you possibly banish a demon speaking its alias whilst it laughs in your face.

On top of that, if its a fallen watcher you will have to speak its unknown name in Hebrew. If its a banshee or wraith (female / male undead rapha respectively) then you will probably have to scream its true name in Latin. Can you speak either language ?

Oh I have no doubt there is a demon assigned to me and I think each person's demon they are assigned has a certain strength level based on your spiritual strength level. However, I respect demons, but I will not fear them. As a believer in God and Christ, I have AUTHORITY OVER demons. Therefore, they MUST fear ME. Not the other way around.
If this was true, you would be famous and on par with either Jesus or Paul.
They don't respect you. To them you are just a target. All un-repented demons are attached by 'lease' chains to their commanding officer. They will make you believe you have authority.

See, this is the tricky part right here, this is where the issues meat the road, is RIGHT here. I see absolutely NO proof, textually, scripturally, logically, or practically that astral projection is sinful in and of itself by itself. None whatsoever. And if it’s not sinful in itself, then why would God lift his protection if one does it? It makes zero sense to me.
Then there is only one way to find out who is right. If we both agree that the dream world is connected then how about you picking a public indoors location like (lets say) Grand Central Station, New York and we will both meet up there. I am sure there will be demons waiting for you to arrive. i havn't even been to Grand Central let alone America but i know it will work. Oh and if the sky is black, everything is covered in dust and there is a sense of foreboding, then you will know that you are on the dark side of this world.

Your comparing apples and oranges. The Jumping off a mountain is different than astral projecting. One is testing God and may kill you, the other is NOT testing God and cannot kill you.
Both is temptation and sin.
You may say that astral projecting is testing God because I would be relying on him to protect me from the demon while astral projecting, well in the case, I could easily say I am testing God when I rely on him walking to work to protect me from getting hit by a car.
Exactly; YHWH would get tired of you quickly if you kept walking in front of oncoming vehicles.
You are considering astral travel so YHWH sends in a few messages of advice from His believers to not do it. Thats a bit like a cop saying 'are you insane, don't walk in front of moving vehicles. Use the pedestrian crossing which stops cars that cannot run you over'. In other words, YHWH will let you experience astral travel when he flicks the green walk light and halts all demons (revving their cars in road rage) at the crossing so that they cannot run you over. Then you can cross the road in astral travel with the white Spirit of Christ next to you.
 
Lol. So do you have Shemyhaza's true name ?

Why do I need the name for?

All demons go by aliases relating to a type of sin. If you haven't got their true id's, you are already screwed. How can you possibly banish a demon speaking its alias whilst it laughs in your face.

Why do I need a demons ID?


On top of that, if its a fallen watcher you will have to speak its unknown name in Hebrew. If its a banshee or wraith (female / male undead rapha respectively) then you will probably have to scream its true name in Latin. Can you speak either language ?

Why do I need to speak it’s Hebrew name and latin name?


If this was true, you would be famous and on par with either Jesus or Paul.

No I wouldn’t. Paul said “put on the full armor of God to withstand the devil”. That in other words, gives us power and authority.

They don't respect you. To them you are just a target. All un-repented demons are attached by 'lease' chains to their commanding officer. They will make you believe you have authority.

Paul said put on the full armor of God. They do respect that.


Then there is only one way to find out who is right. If we both agree that the dream world is connected then how about you picking a public indoors location like (lets say) Grand Central Station, New York and we will both meet up there. I am sure there will be demons waiting for you to arrive. i havn't even been to Grand Central let alone America but i know it will work. Oh and if the sky is black, everything is covered in dust and there is a sense of foreboding, then you will know that you are on the dark side of this world.

I won’t be able to do it even if I wanted to. My practice of astral projection is not that skillful to be able to just do it like that. I’ve only had two successful projections and almost a third one. But, I assure you that if after this discussion and my other research on some stuff is finished and I feel the full “OK” to move forward with the practice, and if I get really good at it, I will definitely take you up on your offer.


Both is temptation and sin.
Exactly; YHWH would get tired of you quickly if you kept walking in front of oncoming vehicles.
You are considering astral travel so YHWH sends in a few messages of advice from His believers to not do it. Thats a bit like a cop saying 'are you insane, don't walk in front of moving vehicles. Use the pedestrian crossing which stops cars that cannot run you over'. In other words, YHWH will let you experience astral travel when he flicks the green walk light and halts all demons (revving their cars in road rage) at the crossing so that they cannot run you over. Then you can cross the road in astral travel with the white Spirit of Christ next to you.


Nice analogy, but your analogy assumes astral travel is dangerous like walking across moving traffic, and secondly, even if the assumption is correct, that would mean astral travel would be ok to do every single time as long as we willfully make the decision to walk across the cross walk. In other words, as long as God is with me (aka, put on the full armor of God) then it’s ok to astral travel.
 

Rapha

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Why do I need the name for?
If a demon confronts you and i am right in stating that you will not be protected with the Blood of Christ, then there is no telling what that demon will be able to do to you.
If you know the true identity then you might still stand a chance of survival by saying 'in the name of Yahushua Messiah, banish (insert demon name here) from my presence and allow the Spirit of the Lord to fill my body and protect me for ever more'.

Why do I need a demons ID? and why do I need to speak it’s Hebrew name and latin name?
A demon cannot be banished if its true ID is not known.
 
If a demon confronts you and i am right in stating that you will not be protected with the Blood of Christ, then there is no telling what that demon will be able to do to you.
If you know the true identity then you might still stand a chance of survival by saying 'in the name of Yahushua Messiah, banish (insert demon name here) from my presence and allow the Spirit of the Lord to fill my body and protect me for ever more'.


A demon cannot be banished if its true ID is not known.

Why does the name have to be known in order to banish the demon?
 

Brickjectivity

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Why does the name have to be known in order to banish the demon?
...because nothing has to make sense when it comes to exorcism. You just do random scary stuff and shout a lot or look very intense. Some people recite the Koran. Others speak in tongues. Some throw powders. Exorcism is all just mumbo jumbo, pretty sure. I'd bet my life on it.
 

Rapha

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Why does the name have to be known in order to banish the demon?

Summoning of a specific negative entity is done via its true name. So banishing is done the same way if you don't have the Spirit of Christ next to you.

If you have the Spirit of Christ by your side, then you can use that positive entity instead.

Imagine a thief stealing stuff from your car/house. It will continue forever until you inform the police who it is.
 
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