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Jesus false prophet

alexander garcia

Active Member
Hi I was born in NYC in 58 to immigrant parents I have lived all over America and about ten other countries, I speak a few languages, but what does any of that have to do with scripture. I would ask you who claim to be a Jew where are your papersto prove you are a Jew and where are your brothers? Who makes a Jew? The Almighty!Not Christians not Jews Not Rabbi or Priest. Yahvah does ! As for if I offend that i use His Name I am sorry your eyes are still closed to the truth. For as is writen the bones have come to life and ALL will soon know His name!
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
alexander garcia said:
Hi I was born in NYC in 58 to immigrant parents I have lived all over America and about ten other countries, I speak a few languages, but what does any of that have to do with scripture. I would ask you who claim to be a Jew where are your papersto prove you are a Jew and where are your brothers? Who makes a Jew? The Almighty!Not Christians not Jews Not Rabbi or Priest. Yahvah does ! As for if I offend that i use His Name I am sorry your eyes are still closed to the truth. For as is writen the bones have come to life and ALL will soon know His name!

What?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
alexander garcia said:
Hi thank you wman for your words and for those that did not get it I say I am sorry but I'll make it plain the messiyah came once and will come again as the scriptures say to save ALL of Israel when the nation rise agaisnst it. What I am saying is that JESUS is a false name! YAHSHUA will return as He said He would! But many would come in His name saying they were He.

:bonk: he died, he is not Moshiach.
 

alexander garcia

Active Member
hi Jewscout I would mention that if that where so I can come up with all kinds of scripture the Rabbi' will not and can not answer. ANd a statement that you mand earlier about Jews not to convert others if I understood you? But you are converting aren't you? But back to scripture. Who is the Anionted one? and ask the Rabbi and see what he says? Because Israel has but one King! Who is He?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
ANd a statement that you mand earlier about Jews not to convert others if I understood you? But you are converting aren't you?
oy vey
no one's converting me proactively, no one came to me and said, hey do you want to be a jew?
i came to them, i chose this path.
I wonder, do you know anything about the conversion process in Judaism?

Who is the Anionted one? and ask the Rabbi and see what he says? Because Israel has but one King! Who is He?
i know what he will say, he is the Moshiach ben David, the annointed son of King David
and he has not come yet. The 13th principle of Jewish faith by Rambam pretty much sums it up.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
I went searching for groups who concern themselves with the appropriateness of Yashua over Jesus and found some strange stuff.
To begin with the Aryan Nations website seems to make a point of spelling Jesus Yahua.

I found this about the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research The Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research IDMR
Henry Kinley states he has received possibly the greatest revelation given to man. Through a vision he remodels the interpretation of the bible in a radical new way. The Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research claims to believe the bible but they don’t trust what we have today, saying it was not preserved, and will admit it is not inerrant (without error). It then has come under the unique interpretation of their founder Henry C. Kinley.
To their credit they teach salvation is by the Grace of Yahweh, through Faith; and not "Salvation by any Works of Righteousness," which we ourselves have done. However they have other stipulations that changes the meaning.
They teach that Salvation comes by only knowing and using the "correct" name, Yahweh and Yashua. One must study the pattern and symbolism of God's tabernacle. This Divine Pattern of the Universe was shown to Moses on Mt. Sinai, as well as to each of the prophets, and of course later revealed in a vision to their founder/prophet Henry C. Kinley 1931 in Springfield, Ohio. "
http://www.letusreason.org/Cult10.htm
To let them speak for themselves: http://www.idmr.net/

And this from the Christian Resource Institute: "the institute of divine metaphysical research

The Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research (IDMR) was begun by Harry C. Kinley, who was supposedly given a revelation of "divine metaphysics" by God in 1931. Below are listed some of the distinctive teachings of the IDMR and a biblical answer to each point.

1. Although they claim to believe in the Bible, they do not trust what it actually says, claiming it has been imperfectly preserved; when pressed, they deny that the Bible is inerrant (without error). Isaiah 55:10-11 states the principle that God will not allow His word to be frustrated in its purpose. In Matthew 5:18 Jesus explained that not even one letter would pass away from God's word until everything in Scripture was fulfilled. Obviously, the text of Scripture must be pure for Jesus' statement to be true (see also John 10:34; 2 Tim. 3:16-17).

2. The IDMR claims that God is known only by the name Yehweh, and that the true name of his Son is Yashua, not Jesus. To this teaching, several points must be made:

  1. Names are spelled and pronounced differently in different languages, but they are still the same; thus, we
have Mary, Marie, Maria, Miriam; George, Georg, Jorge; Anthony, Antonio, Antony, Anton, etc. The prophet
Jeremiah was known as Yirmeyah in Hebrew and Hieremias in Greek, but no one doubts that these different
forms all refer to the same person.

  1. Even in the same language a name can take different forms. Thus the name "Jesus" in Hebrew was sometimes
Yashua, but at other times Yehoshua. Which is "the true name"?

  1. The insistence on Yashua instead of "Jesus" is based on the mistaken assumption that the New Testament
was originally written in Hebrew; the facts prove conclusively that it was originally written in Greek.

  1. The New Testament never uses Yahweh, but rather "Lord" (kurios); and it teaches us to call him "God” and
"Father," not Yahweh.

  1. The Bible never makes an issue of how a name is spelled or pronounced; why then should we?
3. They deny the Trinity and the deity of Christ. The doctrine of the Trinity states that there is one God (Isa. 43:10; 44:6, 8; 1 Tim. 2:5; James 2:19; etc.), who exists eternally in the three persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19; Gal. 1:1; John 1:1; 20:28; Tit. 2:13; Acts 5:3-4; John 16:7-14; etc.).

4. They deny the bodily resurrection of Jesus, although it is clearly taught in the Scriptures (Luke 24:36-43; John 2:19-22; 20:26-27; Acts 2:24-32; 1Cor. 15:4-8; etc.).

5. The IDMR rejects the practice of water baptism, which is also clearly commanded in the Scripture (Matt. 28:19; Acts 8:36-38; 10:47-48).

6. They claim that "Lord" stands for the Hebrew word Baal, so that Christian who worship the "Lord" are guilty of Baal-worship. This is absurd. Baal was a minor agricultural deity worshiped by people now extinct; Christians worship "the King of Kings and Lord of Lords" (Rev. 19:16), the "Lord of heaven and earth" (Matt. 11:25). Furthermore, there are two Hebrew words translated "Lord," Baal and Adonai; and Adonai is frequently used in the Old Testament to refer to "Yahweh!”

7. Finally, the fundamental error of the IDMR is that they teach a pantheistic view of God -- that is, that God is everything, for we are God. However, the Bible flatly contradicts this teaching. "God is not a man" (Num. 23:19); the Egyptians are men, and not God (Isa. 31:3) -- men simply are not God! The fact is that God is not everything since He made everything (Gen. 1:1; John 1:3;
Gal. 1:16; Heb. 11:3; etc.). You cannot be what you make! A carpenter is not his bench, nor is the writer his book; and the Creator is not His creation. Of course, all of creation is in the Creator's presence, but that does not mean He is merely an aspect of His creation (any more than a writer is merely an aspect of his book!). Yes, God is "in" the world -- just as a builder can be in his building -- but he is not thereby a part of his building. That man can be his own god is the first lie ever believed in human beings (Gen. 3:5).

In conclusion, the IDMR is a non-Christian religion. It rejects all of the fundamental teachings of the Bible, proclaiming a false God, a different Jesus, and another gospel (Deut. 13:1-4; 2 Cor. 11:4; Gal. 1:6-9)." http://www.equip.org/free/DD500.htm

And this: "We have read many of the articles on the Internet in various web sites. We
commend your use of the true and correct names: Yahweh Elohim Yahshua;
and your efforts to make them known. Many articles are correct and we
would like to add our proof to them. Some articles are partially correct, and
to these we would like to present additional information. However, at this
time we will not yet address some of the specific topics that many have
researched and written about as the authors may take offense if after
spending so much time and effort they were told that they were incorrect.
(Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of Yahweh, but
not according to knowledge.)" http://www.ayahasherayah.org/



Anyway it appears to be the fraying end of one strand of the fringe of Christianity.

Regards,
Scott
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
alexander garcia said:
Hi thank you wman for your words and for those that did not get it I say I am sorry but I'll make it plain the messiyah came once and will come again as the scriptures say to save ALL of Israel when the nation rise agaisnst it. What I am saying is that JESUS is a false name! YAHSHUA will return as He said He would! But many would come in His name saying they were He.


If what you meant to say was that the Hellenic name Jesus actually hides the 'mystery' of the name Jeheshuah, and that you did not mean to insult the prophet then you are right I TOTALLY misunderstood you!!!! But in fairness to myself I think that the topic might have had something to do with it. Becuase there was only one prophet at the time, as you rightly point out Jeheshuah. During his minstry there was no 'false prophet' called Jesus doing anything. I think if you join another forum and post a similar thread you might try as a topic 'Jesus a false name that hides the mystery of the Messiach'. It will cause less misunderstanding.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Popeyesays said:
I went searching for groups who concern themselves with the appropriateness of Yashua over Jesus and found some strange stuff.
To begin with the Aryan Nations website seems to make a point of spelling Jesus Yahua.



I think you'll find that the Aryan Nations/Brotherhood has recently 'fractured' with interestingly enough a new group emerging called 'The sons of IHVH'

http://www.tkb.org/KeyLeader.jsp?memID=34

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_america_updates/individuals/richard_butler/butler_update_020717.htm

http://www.churchofthesonsofyhvh.org/

if anyone is interested.
 

alexander garcia

Active Member
thank you for your words and I do word things hard to understand or to be misunderstood i'm sorry if I offend. Some i wish to offend in the hope that they will look for themselves and find the truth
 

alexander garcia

Active Member
Hi, for Jewscout I would simply ask other then yourself can you show me by Scripture anyone that has ever CHOSE to follow? Reality in the scriptures where is Israel? For the Rabbi that says they are here then which are not Jews? Cause Jacob had 12 sons not just one. have you read how many prophets have been sent and how many were received? Why?
 

alexander garcia

Active Member
Hi popeye, I hope you don't go the way of any hate groups. people will use any thing they can to hate with. This maybe part of the reason that Islam is growing so fast in Eurupe is that after 2 world wars of so called Christians killing so called Christians and killing everyone else that they did not like. That maybe they are tiered of killing in the name of Jesus. These groups are no different.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
alexander garcia said:
Hi popeye, I hope you don't go the way of any hate groups. people will use any thing they can to hate with. This maybe part of the reason that Islam is growing so fast in Eurupe is that after 2 world wars of so called Christians killing so called Christians and killing everyone else that they did not like. That maybe they are tiered of killing in the name of Jesus. These groups are no different.

Ithink I'm. okay - I'm not convinced about you - what kind of synagogue do you go to?

Regards,
Scott
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
I forgot to ask what branch of Judaism you are from: Sephard or Ashkenazi? Most Jews I have known with Spanish surnmaes were Sephard. Is your family from Spain, Latin America or the Phillipines?

Regards,
Scott
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Hebrew - Yahshua
English - Joshua
Greek - Jesus

Jesus is the Moshiach that has already come into the world.
 

Ody

Well-Known Member
alexander garcia said:
Hi I was born in NYC in 58 to immigrant parents I have lived all over America and about ten other countries, I speak a few languages, but what does any of that have to do with scripture. I would ask you who claim to be a Jew where are your papersto prove you are a Jew and where are your brothers? Who makes a Jew? The Almighty!Not Christians not Jews Not Rabbi or Priest. Yahvah does ! As for if I offend that i use His Name I am sorry your eyes are still closed to the truth. For as is writen the bones have come to life and ALL will soon know His name!

Is your mother jewish? My mother was jewish and through hebrew law i am a jew. A real jew would be using HaShem however.... or G-d... What form of judaism do you follow because i am a certain you are not orthodox.
 
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