Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
(YLT) Isaiah 26:19`Thy dead live -- My dead body they rise. Awake and sing, ye dwellers in the dust, For the dew of herbs [is] thy dew, And the land of Rephaim thou causest to fall.
Are you aware that Isaiah is prophesying that Israel, or specifically Judah (well that probably is a euphemism for Israel anyway) will sing this entire chapter? This isn't G-d talking...
Jesus body never saw corruption, because it was raised after only three days. That was to soon for the body to begin to decay.
Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
That's not what this verse is saying. "שחת", what your KJV is translating as corruption, is referring to "באר שחת" of Psalms 55:23. What your KJV calls "the pit of destruction." A euphemism for the grave. As is "שאול", what you are translating here as "hell".
I'm not sure why your KJV switches the translations of that word from corruption to destruction. I"m sure its not for ideological purposes...
The beginning of the next verse is the Messiah speaking. The second part is God's response unto the Messiah. Though His days are shortened (specifically by 3; Matthew 12:40) yet His years have no end because of the resurrection. (Revelation 1:18) This is about the death and resurrection of the Messiah.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. The next verse is "You make known to me the path of life..."
He weakened my strength in the way; he shortened my days. I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days:
Here is God's response to the Son of God, the Messiah.
thy years are throughout all generations. Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end. (Psalm 102:23-27)
This doesn't make any sense. You have two people speaking in the same verse without any indication of a switch. In addition, your entire explanation is taken out of context. This is David speaking to G-d. Verse 24 is parallel to verse 12.
You have no answer better than "royal we". We know they used it in the middle ages or so. I'd like to see you try to prove that kings used the "royal we" prior to 2000 B.C. According to wikipedia the oldest reference to it is from 1169 AD. Let me know if you can do better than that. And the kings used it as an indication of their Divine right to rule. In other words, the kings would use that term to refer to themselves working conjointly with God. So explain why God would use the royal we?
Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. The word "Elo-him" is a plural construct. It is not so incongruous with the "we".
Also, this is not my best answer. This is my simplest answer. I would say that one of my best answers is that G-d is speaking to the earth, saying that the earth would give forth the body and He would give forth the soul.
So you have no bias? You are by definition biased because you are taking a side in a debate. And, there are Christian scholars that know Hebrew very well.
That may be true. But until the response above, I don't believe I've incorporated any Jewish theology into my responses to you. I've only provided as strict a word to word translation as possible and/or discusses interpretation based on context.
If you want, you can argue that using context as a basis for interpretation is a Jewish thing and one you need not rely on. I can accept that.
The Israel of God is a holy spiritual nation created by God and known by God. Not confined to any one earthly nation.
Well, I've demonstrated that this is not true with Isaiah 60:21. Feel free to put your Scriptures where your mouth is.
All things of God are the same. You cannot understand them without His revelation.
It has plenty to do with it. It says "so that no man can find out the work that God maketh"
If the world is in our hearts, then how can our hearts see the thoughts of God that are as high as the heavens?
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.[/quote]
You are imposing an interpretation on these verses to fit your theology. But the verses don't explicitly say this and there is no reason to apply just an interpretation.
Context is telling. The previous verse speaks about the wicked changing
his way and
his thoughts. The following verse says parallels the previous. G-d's ways and thoughts are not like
that wicked person's.
G-d is the opposite of evil. Therefore the difference between G-d and this wicked person is the difference between heaven and earth.
Therefore, naturally our hearts blinded to the things of God.
Isaiah 6:9-12 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. ... Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, And the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
These verses are saying that Israel is making themselves deaf, etc. to G-d and will only return to G-d once G-d sends destruction to them. It has nothing to do with what we have been talking about.
It is the Law that they were to obey that is easy to understand. Why? Because God has already given that surface revelation. Even then, that doesn't mean there aren't deeper things therein, for those whose eyes God has opened. Psalm 119:18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.
All scripture is revelation; not figured out by the human mind, but given by God unto man. There are layers of revelation. If you only skim the surface you'll have that surface revelation, but you'll not get into the deeper things of God. The mind of God is infinitely deep.
But some scripture is hard to understand even on the surface. And requires study and revelation to understand. These are parables, dark sayings and mysteries.
Ok, let's go with that. My religion has as mentioned before, four different forms of exegesis. Ranging from the simplest interpretation of the verse to the mystical, esoteric meaning. They are derived in multiple ways: from simply reading the text, comparing and contrasting verses and letters to other verses and letters and of course, the hidden secrets that can only be understood by the holiest of students who dedicate themselves to study under a difficult regiment. So we cover all the bases, from the simplest to the deepest.
Now, after all that's said and done, whose to say that your "deeper" understandings are the correct one and not mine? Mine also require a "holy spirit." Maybe your "deeper" revelations are really coming out of your own mind, a trick of satan, while mine is the true revelation of G-d?
That is why, if you want to talk sense, you need to talk with what is apparent to everyone. If its only in your own head... well then, its only in your own head.
That's a sidetrack. What David said in the Psalms is inspired by the anointing of God and is prophetic.
In other words: to make it fit with my ideology, I will take it out of context and reinterpret it.
You don't understand. David prophesied of the giving of the body of the Messiah.
That remains to be seen.
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. (Prov 3:5-6)
We must seek the things of God by faith and not by our own understanding.
Imagine if Paul tried that. I an see it now...
Paul: Hello Mr. Pharisee. I'm here to tell you the great news! G-d doesn't want any sacrifices!
Mr Pharisee: That sounds great, now I can save money on my animals. But...how do you know this?
Paul: Well, David prophesied this hundreds of years ago! He speaks about how G-d doesn't want sacrifices. Save your money! Save your animals! G-d doesn't want them!
Mr. Pharisee: But if David knew G-d didn't want them, why did G-d
say He wanted them? And Why was David still offering them?
Paul: Well, I have great news! David was actually saying a prophecy for our times!
Mr Pharisee: Why are you interpreting that as a prophecy when in context he just means that empty sacrifices is not how a person repents. That G-d really wants to see regret over evil deeds?
Paul: Because we need to seek G-d by faith! Not by our own understanding. My faith tells me that your explanation is wrong. Therefore, leave your ideas behind and come join me in serving the god you never heard about until now!!
Mr Pharisee: Your right! Now that I believe you on your word alone, I can see why I was wrong...
