Not to mention that at any one time he's going to be watching hundreds of millions of people on the loo. <shudder>
Who'd want to be omniscient, anyway?
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How does your religion view masturbation?
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Who'd want to be omniscient, anyway?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Such questions stump me. All I know is that six or seven times a day are far too few to appreciably reduce any sane person's horniness.
6 or 7 times a day? Blimey! Even at 15 I couldn't have managed a third of that. :sad:
But then, I might not fit your def of 'sane'.
As you know, I was exaggerating. But I have a true story for you. A friend of mine -- a friend who strikes me as unusually honest -- tells me that, in his mid-teens, he went 15 rounds during a single 24 hour period.
Afterwards there was naturally no course left to him in life but to become the founding pastor of a mega-church.
(Just kidding about the pastor part)
I just want to say that I really like this post but am not able to frubal you at the minute. When I become able again, you will certainly receive on for this post
It is an excellent description of infused contemplation in the Catholic tradition.
But that is off-topic, just wanted to say thank you!
I just want to say that I really like this post but am not able to frubal you at the minute. When I become able again, you will certainly receive on for this post
It is an excellent description of infused contemplation in the Catholic tradition.
But that is off-topic, just wanted to say thank you!
I would love to know more about infused contemplation. But, if it's not too much trouble, there is a better thread for it here.
Masturbation. My religion's take on it is fairly clear if you use the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a clear, blueprint for doctrine. If you take the Catholic tradition as a whole, rather than just this book, less so. Masturbation isn't mentioned in the Bible (well it is mentioned but not in a condemnatory way unless you heavily spin Onan), nor even in Sacred (extra-canonical) Tradition. In fact, the only clear teaching against it is from medieval theologians and the modern Catechism. I don't quite understand the reasons for this. Its definitely the most questionable Catholic sexual "sin" on numerous grounds.
Even the Catechism, which in a sense strongly condemns it, is also strangely moderate. It teaches that it is to be expected in young people who are in the process of discovering their sexual urges, for example in puberty and later adolescence. It also says that "culpability" (for self-pleasuring in this way with what has a fertility function) is lessened or even annulled if masturbation has become a habit upon which the person relies:
So in other words, it starts by strongly condemning masturbation but then ends by essentially saying, "go light on the masturbators". If your young (affective immaturity), caught in a habit (force of acquired habit), or suffering from depression or severe stress (conditions of anxiety or other psychological) or even have a social reason for masturbating (uh, how infinite in possibilities might that be?) then your "culpability" is "reduced" - in other words a polite way of saying, "your not sinning". It then gives the whole topic over to "pastoral action", that is receiving guidance on it from your priest or pastor which might include, depending on the person, a very liberal take on their masturbation practice or a harder one. For example, if the person relies on masturbation and would be severely depressed without it, this individual would not be told to "stop" doing it instantly but rather have a more gradual evolution.
The quotation about it being a "constant tradition" isn't actually accurate. The Catechism is a "sure norm" but not everything in it is doctrine unless it reference an authoritative document. The reference for that quote is a CDF document from the 1970s. There are no references from the Bible, Sacred Tradition or anything canonical in that way - clear because Divine Revelation (for some inexplicable reason) says nothing about masturbation.
The prudential judgement of the church is clear, and therefore not to be dismissed offhand by Catholics, however in fact its rather confusing.
So I'm conflicted as to what my "religion" says on masturbation. If you go by the Catechism, its clear enough. If not, then its "chequered" with nothing in the deposit of faith explicitly condemning it but without any approval either and certainly with the prudential judgement of the church as a whole being that it is immoral.
Certainly, monks, nuns, clergy and anyone under a vow of celibacy should not be masturbating. This would also be, presumably, the goal to be emulated - the ideal (not sexual renunciation, rather I mean refraining from self-pleasuring).
I think it would be very difficult to masturbate without lust. Most people need to imagine an erotic image of a person to turn themselves on.
However given the broad category that could "reduce culpability" for wanting to self-pleasure yourself, I struggle to think when it truly would be a sin for the vast majority of individuals.
Even the Catechism, which in a sense strongly condemns it, is also strangely moderate. It teaches that it is to be expected in young people who are in the process of discovering their sexual urges, for example in puberty and later adolescence. It also says that "culpability" (for self-pleasuring in this way with what has a fertility function) is lessened or even annulled if masturbation has become a habit upon which the person relies:
So in other words, it starts by strongly condemning masturbation but then ends by essentially saying, "go light on the masturbators". If your young (affective immaturity), caught in a habit (force of acquired habit), or suffering from depression or severe stress (conditions of anxiety or other psychological) or even have a social reason for masturbating (uh, how infinite in possibilities might that be?) then your "culpability" is "reduced" - in other words a polite way of saying, "your not sinning". It then gives the whole topic over to "pastoral action", that is receiving guidance on it from your priest or pastor which might include, depending on the person, a very liberal take on their masturbation practice or a harder one. For example, if the person relies on masturbation and would be severely depressed without it, this individual would not be told to "stop" doing it instantly but rather have a more gradual evolution.
The quotation about it being a "constant tradition" isn't actually accurate. The Catechism is a "sure norm" but not everything in it is doctrine unless it reference an authoritative document. The reference for that quote is a CDF document from the 1970s. There are no references from the Bible, Sacred Tradition or anything canonical in that way - clear because Divine Revelation (for some inexplicable reason) says nothing about masturbation.
The prudential judgement of the church is clear, and therefore not to be dismissed offhand by Catholics, however in fact its rather confusing.
So I'm conflicted as to what my "religion" says on masturbation. If you go by the Catechism, its clear enough. If not, then its "chequered" with nothing in the deposit of faith explicitly condemning it but without any approval either and certainly with the prudential judgement of the church as a whole being that it is immoral.
Certainly, monks, nuns, clergy and anyone under a vow of celibacy should not be masturbating. This would also be, presumably, the goal to be emulated - the ideal (not sexual renunciation, rather I mean refraining from self-pleasuring).
I think it would be very difficult to masturbate without lust. Most people need to imagine an erotic image of a person to turn themselves on.
However given the broad category that could "reduce culpability" for wanting to self-pleasure yourself, I struggle to think when it truly would be a sin for the vast majority of individuals.
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Raban
Hagian
Most world religions typically do not approve of it.. it is a psychological defense against giving into what is considered carnal material desire which many faiths wish to abandon. As for me, I see no problem with such a thing, until however the very act, the lust for such pleasure becomes what one may identify as an 'idol'. Once an individual 'worships' sexual arousement (or may be addicted to it) I believe even once removed from theism that it is a detriment and a degrading action to the very idea of man, whom may surpass such things, in pursuit of 'higher ideals'. However if you believe that life should simply be enjoyed, and that action is inevitably worthless, then such an argument of the likes which i have posited is utterly worthless.
Levite
Higher and Higher
So, by the same reasoning, I should never go to the bathroom, because God can see me, and after all, I wouldn't pee or poop in front of my parents. Nor should I ever change clothes or shower naked or anything, because God can see me, and I wouldn't be naked in front of my parents.
Or I should never have sex with my wife, because God can see me, and I wouldn't have sex in front of my parents.
Don't get me wrong, I often use and enjoy the image of God as a parent, but there does inevitably come a point where the analogy breaks down. There may or may not be reasons to masturbate or not to masturbate, but "God can see you" is, IMO, just no reason at all.
He must have seen some pretty crazy **** over the years - the odd bit of bishop-bashing would barely be worth a second glance..
Skwim
Veteran Member
It tries to view it in the privacy of one's home. Failing that, in HD on a 55" screen.
religiously there is nothing wrong with masturbation . too simply because in doing so there is nothing immoral and no buddy get hurt of something . lets compare masturbation homosexuality , this phenomena unfortunately can hurt the others indirectly to confuse children and next generation about what a love life should be like . so lets sum up by saying that masturbation is something that individual can enjoy and do with himself and he is free in his body to do whatever he wants to do , plus there is no sigh in ibrahamic religions to prohibit this habit which can be scientifically not good .
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Regardless of I don't think having sex with a loved one before getting privacy is any decent action to do in front of parents, But still I think that masturbation is much more indecent action than that of having sex with a loved one to do in front of parents.. loll.
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Dear its the relationship between parent and his children.
Of course, parents want their children to grow-up and stop using diapers.
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Of course children can get naked, pee or poop in front of their parents when they are small at age, and of course parents never care much for such things done by their children when they are small ate age. Similarly one is just small at age for God until one reaches enlightenment, or "Oneness with God"
One can have sex with wife in front of God because He's common parent for everybody, whereas earthy parents are not common parent for both husband and wife.
IMO, masturbation is indecent action, Always, Or indecent to perform in front of supreme parent.
Of course we want our children to grow up and stop using diapers: so we don't have to be witness to all the ****.Dear its the relationship between parent and his children.
Of course, parents want their children to grow-up and stop using diapers.
But if you're an omniscient, all-seeing sort of god, then you don't have a choice: it doesn't matter how grown-up your children have become, you still see them all at all their least dignified moments.
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I don't know what do you think is meant by GROWN-UP.
One remains small at age for God until one reaches enlightenment, or "Oneness with God".
When one becomes "One with God", its like drop became the sea itself
Thus.. further there's no need to watch grown-up children because after then it just becomes watching own-self.
I hope you are realizing what I want to express you, Philbo. Do you ?
..you were the one who said "Of course, parents want their children to grow-up and stop using diapers", I was using "grown up" in what I took to be exactly the same context as you had used the phrase.
When one becomes "One with God", its like drop became the sea itself
Thus.. further there's no need to watch grown-up children because after then it just becomes watching own-self.
I hope you are realizing what I want to express you, Philbo. Do you ?
er, nope. I've never met anybody I'd describe as (or would describe themselves as) being "One with God". Are you saying that once people are adult in the eyes of God, He no longer watches them? So presumably he's not watching them masturbate, either - lucky escape for Him, eh?
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Of course God want his children (Souls) to get reunite with "Him", Grow-up means to get reunite with him, or "Oneness".
Am saying.. when Soul gets reunite with God, only then one is adult in the eyes of God, Or in other words.. After oneness both child and parent become one with each other and their remains no child thereafter, only parent. Or in some other words.. When seer and seen becomes one with each other, their remains no seen thereafter, and if remains no seen then what is there to watch thereafter ?
I hope it is clear now.