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Which is highest power of this universe ?

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Yes, you was awake in your dreams :D

As awake as I am now. I wasn't asleep by any stretch of the word.

'Course, as I haven't exactly believed your conjecture, yet, there's likewise no reason for you to believe my claims.

Not so easy to just believe things, is it?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Chinu, according to the lore of my people, the world was created with the killing of the Jotunn Ymir, out of whose body the world was created.

Last I checked, it was the opposite of love that led to killing.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Can you give me the full story ?

In earliest times did Ymir live:
was nor sea nor land nor salty waves,
neither earth was there nor upper heaven
but a gaping nothing and green things nowhere.
-Voluspa

Of Ymir's flesh the earth was shaped
The barren hills of his bones
and of his skull the sky was shaped
of his blood the briny sea.
-Vafthruthnismal

The Edda of Snorri Sturluson expands a bit on the lays of old and says that Othin, Vili, and Ve killed Ymir.

There is little of our stories beyond heroic sagas that survives thanks to the efforts of Rome and the Christianization of Europe (at least compared to how much survives in India.) You wanted the full story. There it is, pretty much.
 

chinu

chinu
In earliest times did Ymir live:
was nor sea nor land nor salty waves,
neither earth was there nor upper heaven
but a gaping nothing and green things nowhere.
-Voluspa

Of Ymir's flesh the earth was shaped
The barren hills of his bones
and of his skull the sky was shaped
of his blood the briny sea.
-Vafthruthnismal

The Edda of Snorri Sturluson expands a bit on the lays of old and says that Othin, Vili, and Ve killed Ymir.

There is little of our stories beyond heroic sagas that survives thanks to the efforts of Rome and the Christianization of Europe (at least compared to how much survives in India.) You wanted the full story. There it is, pretty much.
Friend Riverwolf,

Any strory which is created by any true spiritual person cannot be wrong, But its impossible to understand the hidden mystry of the story until it is described by that same person.

But, am sure that the essence of all spiritual stories leads to one same highest power which is LOVE, or GOD :)
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Friend Riverwolf,

Any strory which is created by any true spiritual person cannot be wrong, But its impossible to understand the hidden mystry of the story until it is described by that same person.

But, am sure that the essence of all spiritual stories leads to one same highest power which is LOVE, or GOD :)

Our lore does not speak in such terms. Stories are beyond the person who told them, and are immortal. Details and characters are lost; the spirit never is.

But there's something to understand about our lore: it wasn't circulated among scholars to debate and uncover; it was told around campfires for everyday laypeople (who were in all likelyhood drunk) by Bards and Skalds for entertainment.
 

chinu

chinu
But there's something to understand about our lore: it wasn't circulated among scholars to debate and uncover;
Than why are you destroying this speciality of your lore by putting it into debate ? :)
it was told around campfires for everyday laypeople (who were in all likelyhood drunk) by Bards and Skalds for entertainment.
Anyways, what's mystrious about creation, there to understand you want to point ? Riverwolf
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Than why are you destroying this speciality of your lore by putting it into debate ? :)

I said it was, as in thousands of years ago. It has since entered scholarly circulation, primarily in literary and cultural historical contexts.

I highly doubt even good skalds and bards these days could sell them to a modern drunken audience, enraptured as they are with sports.

Anyways, what's mystrious about creation, there to understand you want to point ? Riverwolf
I'm reinforcing something I said earlier: we don't see things as they are; we see things as we are.

The most well-survived variants of our lore are from very warlike tribes, who sought glory in battle (which could mean anything from legit battles with other armies, to raiding helpless villages), and yet struggled to not die themselves in a very harsh environment. Any peaceful variants have long since been lost.

Go try telling a viking that the world is full of love.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
In short you want to say, chinu cannot see the things as they are, chinu can only see things as he is ? am i right ? :)

I've thus far not seen any indication of the contrary. I'm the same way: I can't see things the way they are, only as I am.

Of course, you might be able to see things as they actually are, but thus far, chinu has been pretty lacking when it comes to providing any indication of that.

That's why I still put my money on gravity as being the best contender for a "highest" power in a hypothetical hierarchy of the universe (again, something I've never seen an indication of.) Even still it's debatable, as has been constantly demonstrated.
 

Union jack

Member
Recently some fictional account of Deities ritually inhabiting avatars suggested a recurring theme of sacrifice. I wonder if the Madhu of:
'the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, believed to have been composed in the first millennium BCE, contains a chapter called the Madhu Brahmana and "the secret essence of the Vedas themselves, was called the madhu-vidya or honey doctrine' - wiki...can be assosiated with the Mahdi account.
A paranoid example maybe.
 

JoeZen

Member
Recently some fictional account of Deities ritually inhabiting avatars suggested a recurring theme of sacrifice. I wonder if the Madhu of:
'the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, believed to have been composed in the first millennium BCE, contains a chapter called the Madhu Brahmana and "the secret essence of the Vedas themselves, was called the madhu-vidya or honey doctrine' - wiki...can be assosiated with the Mahdi account.
A paranoid example maybe.
I suggest you concentrate on your frubals jack
 
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