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Genesis 1-11

FFH

Veteran Member
BTW, I have a copy of the Masoretic text in English, so if the point of this thread is to compare the KJV of Genesis 1-11, with the Masoretic text, then pick a verse, and lets start comparing.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Genesis 1-11

Creation down to the languages being confounded. Tons of stuff there, depending on what text you are looking at. I think there are three different pages a person could all be on. The MT, the KJV and the JST. I am on one end of the spectrum, and you are on the other. I will defend the KJV as long as it is translated correctly.
 

Deut 13:1

Well-Known Member
FFH said:
BTW, I have a copy of the Masoretic text in English, so if the point of this thread is to compare the KJV of Genesis 1-11, with the Masoretic text, then pick a verse, and lets start comparing.
Holy crap, if you're looking for an intense debate in this thread, it's not going to happen, as i said, i'm interested in what Christians believe to be the overall message of these passages, not a debate on translation.
 

Deut 13:1

Well-Known Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
You mean till or tithe?
tithe. I dunno how that l got in.

ps hows your analysis of deut 32 coming? it was 70 not 75. I apologize for saying 75.

Edit: ps.
Edit 2: typo
 

Steve

Active Member
Deut 13:1 said:
What is the Christian perspective on these chapters?
I believe the Christian perspective should be to believe Gods word ;).

So much of the Gospel rests on the foundation Genesis lays down, If you believe its myth then from what did Jesus reconcile us from?
Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned. Romans 5:11-12

Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:18-19
NetDoc said:
As soon as I claim to completely understand God, I would indeed be a hypocrite! Christianity is a journey: not a static place to be. Every day the Christian should be understanding God just a bit better than the day before, as they submit to the Spirit. This is why there is such a huge variation in what Christians believe.
Good point, I agree.
Although as soon as a Christian regards mans ideas about our origin over what God has said about it then there bound to be lead away from the truth. How can we understand God when we are unwilling to accept what he has said is this earths history and origin, not only that but if you regard other theories about our origin eg evolution, you inevitable have a God who created everything using death, disease and sufferering which dose not reflect what the bible says about how God created us nor does it reflect Christs character, the saviour who could heal the blind instantly, make the lame walk instantly etc.
 

Aqualung

Tasty
Deut 13:1 said:
Did Adam Tilthe?
Well, Adam certainly gave sacrifice of his stuff to the Lord. I don't know when it was set at 10%, but certainly by the days of Abraham. So I guess it's that "number" thing you got so mad at me before.
 

Deut 13:1

Well-Known Member
Aqualung said:
Well, Adam certainly gave sacrifice of his stuff to the Lord.
Such as...?

Aqualung said:
I don't know when it was set at 10%, but certainly by the days of Abraham.
Where does Avraham come into Genesis 1-11. :help:

Aqualung said:
So I guess it's that "number" thing you got so mad at me before.
I don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it. :eek:


Steve: Thanks for the answer, your first sentance was useful, then I felt you left Genesis 1-11 for the gospel. :(
 

Steve

Active Member
Deut 13:1 said:
Steve: Thanks for the answer, your first sentance was useful, then I felt you left Genesis 1-11 for the gospel. :(
;) yes but i did explain why as a Christian i believe the gospel is very relavant to Genesis therefore should influence a Christians perspective of it - and that is the point is it not, a Christians perspective of Genesis? If a Christian regards the Gospel as very important and Genesis is explicitly related to that gospel then how is outlining that relationship between the two not useful?
 

Aqualung

Tasty
Deut 13:1 said:
Such as...?
You'd have to look into Moses (The Joseph Smith Tranlsation of the first bit of Genesis) for that one. Do you still want me to post it?

duet said:
Where does Avraham come into Genesis 1-11. :help:
He doesn't. All I'm saying is that at least by the time of Abraham people were tithing, if not before that.
 

5Hebrews

New Member
Aqualung said:
You'd have to look into Moses (The Joseph Smith Tranlsation of the first bit of Genesis) for that one. Do you still want me to post it?

He doesn't. All I'm saying is that at least by the time of Abraham people were tithing, if not before that.
:jiggy: Im hebrew...... In the beginning of genisis, God supposevly said "let there be light", but that wouldnt be right because it sounds like he is talking to someone, so he said "Be light"!
 

Aqualung

Tasty
Uh... No. He may have said "be light" but A) there were people there to talk to and B) "let there be light" does not necessarily have to be directed at someone.
 

Deut 13:1

Well-Known Member
Aqualung said:
You'd have to look into Moses (The Joseph Smith Tranlsation of the first bit of Genesis) for that one. Do you still want me to post it?
Sure, just be pre-warned I don't give much credit to something that popped up over the last 200 years by someone who my personal opinion of will never be posted. :D

Aqualung said:
He doesn't. All I'm saying is that at least by the time of Abraham people were tithing, if not before that.
Apologies.
 

Aqualung

Tasty
Deut 13:1 said:
Sure, just be pre-warned I don't give much credit to something that popped up over the last 200 years by someone who my personal opinion of will never be posted. :D
Yes, I know, that's why I didn't want to bother posting them if you weren't at least mildly interested.

Moses 5:5-8 "And he gave unto them commandments, that they should worship the lord their God, and should offer the firstlings of their flock, for an offering unto the Lord. And Adam was obedient unto the commandments of the Lord. 6 And after many days an angel of the Lord appeared unto Adam, saying: Why dost thou offer sacrifices unto the Lord? And Adam said unto him: I know not, save the Lord commanded me. 7 And then the angel spake, saying: This thing is a similtude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten of the Father, which is full of grace and truth. 8 Wherefore, thou shalt do all that thou doest in the name of the Son, and thou shalt repent and call upon God in the name of the Son forevermore."
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Aqualung said:
Yes, I know, that's why I didn't want to bother posting them if you weren't at least mildly interested.

Moses 5:5-8 "And he gave unto them commandments, that they should worship the lord their God, and should offer the firstlings of their flock, for an offering unto the Lord. And Adam was obedient unto the commandments of the Lord. 6 And after many days an angel of the Lord appeared unto Adam, saying: Why dost thou offer sacrifices unto the Lord? And Adam said unto him: I know not, save the Lord commanded me. 7 And then the angel spake, saying: This thing is a similtude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten of the Father, which is full of grace and truth. 8 Wherefore, thou shalt do all that thou doest in the name of the Son, and thou shalt repent and call upon God in the name of the Son forevermore."
Excellent post, Aqualung !!! This is exactly what needed to be posted, from the lost parts of Genesis. The KJV has omitted this very important scripture, from the original, unadulterated, Hebrew text. Adam knew about repentance, and the sacrifice that would be made, by Jesus Christ, for the forgiveness of sins.

Adam offered the firstlings of his flocks, as an offering for sin, which was done in similitude of Jesus Christ's future sacrafice for his sins.
 
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