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savagewind · Aug 6, 2012

Gjallarhorn said:
...so you're invested in this "334" idea, huh?

I'll leave you to that.

Just since today. But it is in harmony with "Jesus coming as a thief" theory of mine. Which I'm sticking to because I can SEE it. The thief is not Christ the Savior. Christ has come in response to the thief. The thief represents those who at 1 Thessalonians 5:3 are saying "peace and security" . It is not nations that say it. Religion is saying it. But "Jesus" is the Way Truth and Life not Man. Man in the guise of religion has taken what is rightfully HIS. That is how His reign got chopped off at 666. But I might be wrong. I'm not wrong about MAN taking over the kingship. OMG. Can anyone believe Man has not?

savagewind · Aug 6, 2012

Luke 5:36-38

36And He was also telling them a parable: “No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and puts it on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old. 37“And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. 38“But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins. 39“And no one, after drinking old wine wishes for new; for he says, ‘The old is good enough.’

kjw47 · Aug 6, 2012

sincerly said:
And that is your perogative to believe as you choose.

Isaiah, Peter, and John the Revelator,speaking via Jesus aren't speaking by symbology, but actual fact---and there will not be anything that defiles in the new heavens and new earth. Only righteousness throughout eternity. And GOD will dwell with HIS People in the new Jerusalem.

Nothing will defile the new heavens and new earth( new system of things) That is the purpose of Harmageddon--Jesus will lead Gods armies to the earth and satan will mislead( rev 16) every kingdom( govt,armies,supporters) to stand in opposition to God at Harmageddon=99% of mankind will fall--all wickedness and wicked things will be wiped off of Gods earth. And Gods kingdom rule will be the new system of things with no satan influence.

jasonwill2 · Aug 6, 2012

Gjallarhorn said:
...so you're invested in this "334" idea, huh?

I'll leave you to that.

Gjallarhorn has a point, we still do not see where the number 1000 specifically comes from.

savagewind · Aug 6, 2012

jasonwill2 said:
Gjallarhorn has a point, we still do not see where the number 1000 specifically comes from.

Your asking where 1000 comes from?
1000 year reign. What is happening to people?

You know, the Lord's REIGN?

Do you want a scripture?

There's two pages of "thousand" in my JW concordance.

Revelation 20:4, 6

cataway · Aug 6, 2012

most likely from infantile thinking

savagewind · Aug 6, 2012

cataway said:
most likely from infantile thinking

That's a good one Thanks!

Matthew 18:2,3

jasonwill2 · Aug 6, 2012

savagewind said:
Your asking where 1000 comes from?
1000 year reign. What is happening to people?

You know, the Lord's REIGN?

Do you want a scripture?

There's two pages of "thousand" in my JW concordance.

Revelation 20:4, 6

Oh, you didn't mention that in your previous posts. However getting the numbers like you did there is an instance of numerology.

What does 334 represent then? Being 1000-666 and one more than half of 666? That kept sticking out to me when you mentioned the number, I kept thinking "it's one more than 333!"

savagewind · Aug 6, 2012

jasonwill2 said:
Oh, you didn't mention that in your previous posts. However getting the numbers like you did there is an instance of numerology.

What does 334 represent then? Being 1000-666 and one more than half of 666? That kept sticking out to me when you mentioned the number, I kept thinking "it's one more than 333!"

I don't know numerology. The only religion I know much about is Jehovah's Witnesses. I think they still adhere to numerology being demonic. I don't really care for it one way or another. Like my daddy said when I was thinking of joining the Jehovah's Witnesses. "there are more ways to interpret scripture than they know". That proved true. I wish I had talked to him about it. JWs are trained not to listen to anything else but Jehovah's Witnesses right from the start.

Gjallarhorn · Aug 6, 2012

jasonwill2 said:
Oh, you didn't mention that in your previous posts. However getting the numbers like you did there is an instance of numerology.

What does 334 represent then? Being 1000-666 and one more than half of 666? That kept sticking out to me when you mentioned the number, I kept thinking "it's one more than 333!"

For the sake of boredom, here are some things 334 can mean in gematria:
Snub-nosed
Chaldean/astrologer
Darkness
Prophet of doom
Internet (eat your heart out, Luddites)
Righteous Jews
Lost Man
Torment
The iniquity of the (golden) calf
Spiritual Nod/nomad

So, putting this all together, it's the number of the Wandering Jew? :shrug:

HEBREW GEMATRIA: Values from 330 - 339
Gematria Calculator - ?????? ??????? 334

SnackerBob · Aug 6, 2012

Anywhere that the NWT puts in "Jehovah" in the OT. They just insert it into the NT at places that they think people should have said it.

jasonwill2 · Aug 6, 2012

savagewind said:
I don't know numerology. The only religion I know much about is Jehovah's Witnesses. I think they still adhere to numerology being demonic. I don't really care for it one way or another. Like my daddy said when I was thinking of joining the Jehovah's Witnesses. "there are more ways to interpret scripture than they know". That proved true. I wish I had talked to him about it. JWs are trained not to listen to anything else but Jehovah's Witnesses right from the start.

Numerology is basically divination by numbers. Which means you gain unknown, hidden, or privelaged knowledge by using numbers.

That information can be just unknown, like about yourself, or could be hidden, like of future events. Either way, it need not be "secret" information but can. However I prefer to just say unknown to the person using numerology. In your case you took 1000 and thought 666 might be linked, and got 334. Hence you think 334 is important and represents something. This is an example of numerology, the gaining of spiritual knowledge by studying numbers.

Alegbra doesn't count though for numerolgy, at least I don't think so.

SnackerBob said:
Anywhere that the NWT puts in "Jehovah" in the OT. They just insert it into the NT at places that they think people should have said it.

I think the word LORD in the OT was Yahweh, not the latinization Jehovah.

cataway · Aug 6, 2012

if you refuse to use Jehovah you must also refuse to use Jesus

Gjallarhorn · Aug 6, 2012

cataway said:
if you refuse to use Jehovah you must also refuse to use Jesus

Yeshua sounds cooler anyway.

jasonwill2 · Aug 6, 2012

cataway said:
if you refuse to use Jehovah you must also refuse to use Jesus

Hm, good point, as Jesus is not the right pronouncation anyways. see Gjallarhorn's above post for the right one.

I wont pronunce it Jesus either then for consistency, but pronounce it without transliterations.

Awoon · Aug 6, 2012

BSM1 said:
Please read the previous verse Rev. 13:17. Anyway I was looking for the "mark of the beast" and I don't think this qualifies. Any Orthodox Jews want to take a stab at gematria?

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Nero's name equaled "six hundred sixty six" in the language of the writer.

It simply means the character of Nero. Whoever acts like he did carries his name (character).

SnackerBob · Aug 6, 2012

jasonwill2 said:
I think the word LORD in the OT was Yahweh, not the latinization Jehovah.

I'm basing that on the New World Translation. It may be a leap to assume that people who insist on the name "Jehovah" use that translation, but it isn't a great leap.
Also, according to the NWT itself, it put the name Jehovah into the New Testament 237 times, without any kind of basis in the texts that we currently have.
So, there's that.

I actually was "Quick Replying" to a post a few pages back, without taking the time to verify that people had referenced it. Learn from my poor example, people. It will simply confuse everyone involved.

cataway · Aug 6, 2012

Numerology is a farce . all it has done is deflect away from the truth . Nero is in no way shape or form apart of or any thing to do with the book of Revelation ! he's just is not there. Revelation is about now and yet in the future events .

jasonwill2 · Aug 7, 2012

cataway said:
Numerology is a farce . all it has done is deflect away from the truth . Nero is in no way shape or form apart of or any thing to do with the book of Revelation ! he's just is not there. Revelation is about now and yet in the future events .

In this case with it being Nero I dont think its actually numerology, as Hebrew letters literally had numerical values attached. If John was a Jew, he fully knew well that 666/616 would effectively say "Nero" in his language.

savagewind · Aug 7, 2012

Awoon said:
BSM1 said:

Nero's name equaled "six hundred sixty six" in the language of the writer.

It simply means the character of Nero. Whoever acts like he did carries his name (character).

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Characters like Nero come and go. If the Earth remains for habitation after man's ignorant self authoritative domination of it has brought it to ruin people like Nero will not be allowed to rule BY the majority. And not in an election either.

So the number because it is in the Bible means something worse than man's rule. What is worse?

Error carried forward as TRUTH is worse than anything imho. Believing a lie is related to the beast, the harlot and the number.

How do I know that? "a little leaven ferments the WHOLE lump". 1Corinthians 5:6 and Roman's 6:16

Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to (an idea) to obey IT as slaves, you are slaves to the (idea) you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

If you look up the Greek word "to whom" it can mean "what" Strong's 3739

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