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The existence of God would take the awesomeness from reality

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niccolom

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First let me say I am an atheist and of the Richard Dawkins sort when it comes to religious secularism. I think it would be quite amazing if there were a god (s) so long as that god were not of the pernicious sort that have been imagined by humans. Something just but which would allow new lifes supperior to an improvement on this one --perhaps a reincarnation into what we have but which is an improvement and allows for an expansion of knowledge each time, edging towards each of us towards a future of some sort so that we are not only condemned to this. Deities could create a whole new level of explanatory power that continues on beyond the universe. I would not want it to contradict science but to expand upon it.

This being said, it is of course irrelevant. I think mythological creatures like the minotaur and vampires and ghosts and Santa would also be great. But that didn't mean they were just because as a young child I sort of hoped they were.
 
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839311

Well-Known Member
The Doors of Perception said:
An all powerful being should be expected to make a universe even more amazing than this, this is like a horrible trial version. There is nothing to be amazed at in the structure of the universe, the extinction of the dinosaurs, the evolution from a cell into mankind, etc.
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Yeah the idea of an all-powerful God is very difficult to reconcile with the state of reality about which we know - especially the war-mongering, murdering, raping, thieving, defrauding, corrupt, and overall twisted nature of humanity.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
The Doors of Perception said:
Yes but I would not call nature or the universe God, I just find that pointless.
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I agree as far as that goes, but there's more to panentheism than the cosmos by definition, and the same is often true of pantheism.

As to the op, it's a question of aesthetics. I couldn't disagree more, but I don't see the point in arguing it.
 
gerobbins

gerobbins

What's your point?
The Doors of Perception said:
I was not sure how to word the title, but I have been thinking about this. What if by some science defying, logic destroying, evidence filling miracle we found out that an all-powerful God really does exist? I think it would be one of the most depressing things ever. Think about how amazing the universe we live in is. All this came about out of chance, working in such an order as to create us, here, having this very discussion. Over millions of years life on this planet evolved to what it is not, likely on other planets as well, and perhaps entire other universe! Random events happening in chaos to make the relatively ordered universe we see now, conforming to mathematical rules and laws that we cannot defy. I mean the fact that each one of us exists, through billions of cells competing in chaotic randomness, that is more a miracle than walking on water.

If God exists, none of this is amazing in any way. An all powerful being should be expected to make a universe even more amazing than this, this is like a horrible trial version. There is nothing to be amazed at in the structure of the universe, the extinction of the dinosaurs, the evolution from a cell into mankind, etc.

Discuss.
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Don't you think its more amazing that universe was created? I do, as I don't think the universe is random. That being said, as a Christian I do believe life does evolve and I do believe that the universe is Billions of years old. I believe the universe is perfect and amazing and created.

Just as a couple creates new life, its amazing and a miracle as well.
 
gerobbins

gerobbins

What's your point?
839311 said:
Yeah the idea of an all-powerful God is very difficult to reconcile with the state of reality about which we know - especially the war-mongering, murdering, raping, thieving, defrauding, corrupt, and overall twisted nature of humanity.
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That is a bit cynical. Not all of humanity is corrupt and twisted. In fact I think the majority of humanity is good. Its a small percentage that makes up what stated above.
 
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