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Buddha spoke vehemently against Skepticism agnosticism

paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
In fact Buddha spoke against Skepticism/Agnosticism in very clear terms:


1. Chapter 46:
Avoiding the Ten Evils

"Free your mind of ignorance and be anxious to
learn the truth, especially in the one thing that is needful,
lest you fall a prey either , to scepticism or to errors.
Scepticism will make you indifferent and errors will lead
you astray, so that you shall not find the noble path that
leads to life eternal." Verse -13

The Gospel of Buddha


2. Courtesy our friend Tathagata (#85)

“The Buddha was NOT an Agnostic. It is scripturally false to say he was an Agnostic. He was in fact vehemently opposed to Agnosticism and he called them "evasive eel-wrigglers." See the Brahmajala Sutta and the Samannaphala Sutta.


Paarsurrey comments: Buddha terms Skepticism/agnosticism/atheism as ignorance; never to find the noble path leading to life eternal.
 
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atanu

atanu

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I understand similarly. If one reads Samannaphala Sutta, one will learn that one is not just a passing phase. Many western Buddhsists seem to be materialists who have not yet studied the suttas but have attended to debates and arguments

I suggest one should read Samannaphala Sutta fully to understand the permanence of the one indivisible consciousness through the Jhanas. The wise perfected ones do recollect their own lives and see the coming going of the beings.

Eventually however, a monk discerns as below:

With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'

If the cognising self was a passing phase, who acquires all the powers mentioned in the sutta. And who discerns the release?
 
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839311

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paarsurrey said:
Buddha terms Skepticism/agnosticism/atheism as ignorance; never to find the noble path leading to life eternal.
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Thats a common attitude to have of people who don't share ones beliefs - call them ignorant. How very enlightened of the Buddha. In my readings of siddhartha, I've found him to be arrogant and condescending. Even so Im interested in reading about buddhism seeing as its one of the more popular religions, I can't do it. I can't stand people talking to others, even strangers, in a condescending way.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
839311 said:
Thats a common attitude to have of people who don't share ones beliefs - call them ignorant. How very enlightened of the Buddha. In my readings of siddhartha, I've found him to be arrogant and condescending. Even so Im interested in reading about buddhism seeing as its one of the more popular religions, I can't do it. I can't stand people talking to others, even strangers, in a condescending way.
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Your grievance is with me or with Buddha? Please elaborate.

I just quoted Buddha's words; and I commented what was implied in them.

Is this wrong to say about the atheists/agnostics/skeptics (like one Christopher Hitchens) who meant to say that all founders of religions without exception were killers and poison givers to humanity?

The atheists/agnostics/skeptics as they say have existed all along in the human history; what sweet fruits did they produce for humanity?

This question of mine is addressed to the atheists/agnostics/skeptics that happen to read it? Please
 
idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
paarsurrey said:
Paarsurrey comments: Buddha terms Skepticism/agnosticism/atheism as ignorance; never to find the noble path leading to life eternal.
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Buddha didn't preach enternal life and skepticism isn't the same thing as agnosticism or atheism. BTW buddha was atheist.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
idav said:
Buddha didn't preach enternal life
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I think I quoted from Buddha; Buddha did mention life eternal.

I quote again:


1. Chapter 46:
Avoiding the Ten Evils

"Free your mind of ignorance and be anxious to
learn the truth, especially in the one thing that is needful,
lest you fall a prey either , to scepticism or to errors.
Scepticism will make you indifferent and errors will lead
you astray, so that you shall not find the noble path that
leads to life eternal." Verse -13

The Gospel of Buddha
 
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Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
paarsurrey said:
I think I quoted from Buddha; Buddha did mention life eternal.

I quote again:


1. Chapter 46:
Avoiding the Ten Evils

"Free your mind of ignorance and be anxious to
learn the truth, especially in the one thing that is needful,
lest you fall a prey either , to scepticism or to errors.
Scepticism will make you indifferent and errors will lead
you astray, so that you shall not find the noble path that
leads to life eternal." Verse -13

The Gospel of Buddha
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...have you read anything but a single, mistranslated, modernized, hodgepodge of a book? Could you possibly tell us what sutras these came from?
 
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Tristesse

Well-Known Member
paarsurrey said:
In fact Buddha spoke against Skepticism/Agnosticism in very clear terms:


1. Chapter 46:
Avoiding the Ten Evils

"Free your mind of ignorance and be anxious to
learn the truth, especially in the one thing that is needful,
lest you fall a prey either , to scepticism or to errors.
Scepticism will make you indifferent and errors will lead
you astray, so that you shall not find the noble path that
leads to life eternal." Verse -13

The Gospel of Buddha


2. Courtesy our friend Tathagata (#85)

“The Buddha was NOT an Agnostic. It is scripturally false to say he was an Agnostic. He was in fact vehemently opposed to Agnosticism and he called them "evasive eel-wrigglers." See the Brahmajala Sutta and the Samannaphala Sutta.


Paarsurrey comments: Buddha terms Skepticism/agnosticism/atheism as ignorance; never to find the noble path leading to life eternal.
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Who cares what budha says?
 
idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
paarsurrey said:
I think I quoted from Buddha; Buddha did mention life eternal.

I quote again:


1. Chapter 46:
Avoiding the Ten Evils

"Free your mind of ignorance and be anxious to
learn the truth, especially in the one thing that is needful,
lest you fall a prey either , to scepticism or to errors.
Scepticism will make you indifferent and errors will lead
you astray, so that you shall not find the noble path that
leads to life eternal." Verse -13

The Gospel of Buddha
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The Buddha said of death:

Life is a journey.
Death is a return to earth.
The universe is like an inn.
The passing years are like dust.

Regard this phantom world
As a star at dawn, a bubble in a stream,
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp - a phantom - and a dream. {1}

Reincarnation and Afterlife in Buddhism - ReligionFacts

There is an eternal aspect but life is just a cycle.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
idav said:
The Buddha said of death:

Life is a journey.
Death is a return to earth.
The universe is like an inn.
The passing years are like dust.

Regard this phantom world
As a star at dawn, a bubble in a stream,
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp - a phantom - and a dream. {1}

Reincarnation and Afterlife in Buddhism - ReligionFacts

There is an eternal aspect but life is just a cycle.
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Please quote the reference from Buddha.

Thanks
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
paarsurrey said:
I cannot find it. Please provide the link.
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Section XXXII. The Delusion of Appearances
Subhuti, someone might fill innumerable worlds with the seven treasures and give all away in gifts of alms, but if any good man or any good woman awakens the thought of Enlightenment and takes even only four lines from this Discourse, reciting, using, receiving, retaining and spreading them abroad and explaining them for the benefit of others, it will be far more meritorious. Now in what manner may he explain them to others? By detachment from appearances - abiding in Real Truth. - So I tell you - Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:

A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream.
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Golden Blue Lotus Tara
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
paarsurrey said:
I don't find all the words in the Sutta quoted by you earlier:

"Life is a journey.
Death is a return to earth.
The universe is like an inn.
The passing years are like dust.

Regard this phantom world
As a star at dawn, a bubble in a stream,
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp - a phantom - and a dream. {1}"
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Yeah that beginning bit isn't canonical I believe.
 
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