nnmartin
Well-Known Member
he may have done it for medical reasons as you said earlier - so strange as it may seem there are occasions where a man could put another's penis into his mouth and not be considered gay.
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Was Paul a closeted, self-loathing gay man hiding in an anti-gay society?
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he may have done it for medical reasons as you said earlier - so strange as it may seem there are occasions where a man could put another's penis into his mouth and not be considered gay.
Shades-o-Blue
Member
I have no rage, Hammer; only pity for those who view the Bible with such vitriolic rage. Come back when you've curbed the anger.
Jesus never knew Paul and here's what he had to say about the OT:
Matt.7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
So in other words, looks like Jesus was practicing Jesus-ism too.
"Even" wiki.
You could make a good case that it would be even more reasonable to ask that question in regards to any sect of Christianity that emphasizes Paul's teachings over the Gospels.
In fact, I would say that a sect who's beliefs focus on the actual teachings of Jesus himself would have a more valid claim on the title than most others.
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
Old testament is still relevant as referred to by these 2 quotes:
Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
waitasec
Veteran Member
if i may do a little bit of editing so as to reflect what happened through the POV of hindsight
Jesus says:
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to change them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all disclaimers are exhausted
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
it may appear purile, but it's also a fact, as far as the bible is concerned. It's not my opinion.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Again, though, we're not cowardly enough to deny it, as you are. That's the key difference. Your cowardice.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
You have no pity, Blue, only unfounded, egocentric feelings of superiority for your moral betters.
This isn't anger, son. It's scorn.
And, so, what about Paul being gay? Does that anger you? He put Timothy's penis in his mouth and then took him on the road as his lover. Hard to swallow that, for you? You've avoided answering the question twice now, let's see if your fear brings you to do so a third time.
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Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
but what is the point of this - you are just changing the words completely here and now this has nothing to do with interpretation leeway at all.
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
I can admit that there were many things done in the past in the name of Christianity and the Church to be wrong.
for example: Racism, slavery , subjugation of women etc..
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
It's pure idle speculation that he took Timothy on as his lover.
quite ridiculous in fact!
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Congratulations then, you are a progressive thinker! At last, we have found one.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
It's not ridiculous given the details; this is a deductive exercise as I said and its silly to wrangle that he would have ever admitted it, and because he never did it cannot be so. . I think that's just virtual nervous laughter I hear.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
What have I made up? be specific.
Anyone who reads the Acts of Apostles and Paul's letters with an open mind will realize that Paul was a faithful, zealous preacher of righteousness. His letters contain strong statements against homosexuality and other sexual sins. (Romans 1:18,24-27, for example)
Since Paul preached to non-Jewish Gentiles, at least some of those cultures did not view homosexuality as wrong. Corinth, Rome, and Athens were cities where Paul zealously preached, and they were renowned for their immorality.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
It's not ridiculous given the details; this is a deductive exercise as I said and its silly to wrangle that he would have ever admitted it, and because he never did it cannot be so. . I think that's just virtual nervous laughter I hear.
It's not a deductive exercise at all. What you have done is simply ignore the vast majority of the story (as well as the historical context), and come to some ridiculous conclusion. And I think you should know better than this, as the Bible doesn't say Paul put Timothy's penis in his mouth. We are simply told that Paul had Timothy circumcised. So obviously you have done some extra work here.
So basically, what we are talking about is a man being circumcised, and Paul, as it was customary, cleaning the wound with his mouth. In doing so, he would have taken a mouthful of blood as well. It is hardly a sexual action in anyway. And really, it simply is an insult to homosexuals.
There was no deductive reasoning on your part.
He didn't have to because he covered the basics. Jesus talked about issues of lust and marriage. Jesus didn't have to tell people not to be doing naughty things in the temple because it was covered with the basics.