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Evolution is a Big Lie

outhouse

Atheistically
Interesting. I didn't think Shermana was "newhope101"...I saw the name Shermana as a member at a different forum from a long time ago. Plus...newhope101 was relentless at posting numerous amounts of misinformation and newhope101 presented herself as a christian. Shermana is far from that. IMO....:p

Ya there are some of the same exact tactics though. I would expect a change in O.P. if it was her after bannage.

The arguements in the evolution threads are very close, exact same MO

I do like shermana more lol :) and he sticks to religious topics more then science ones.
 

RedOne77

Active Member
Sure, it proves that the Universe stopped stretching and stabilized into a Steady state after a while and that its' perfectly distanced to give Earth as its center, Hubble's Law comes into effect here. You cannot just dismiss an article for failing to pass "Scientific verification", verification from who? Try attacking the specific claims. Want to get into the article on Halton Arp?

I don't understand. According to redshift the universe is still expanding and is not a steady state universe. Also, because redshift works proportionally with distance, any place in the universe would have have the same pattern of redshift that we observe on Earth. IOW, the Earth isn't shown to be at the center of the universe, in fact modern cosmology rejects the idea.
 

Shermana

Heretic
I don't understand. According to redshift the universe is still expanding and is not a steady state universe. Also, because redshift works proportionally with distance, any place in the universe would have have the same pattern of redshift that we observe on Earth. IOW, the Earth isn't shown to be at the center of the universe, in fact modern cosmology rejects the idea.

Not necessarily. And steady-state may be trumped by Unified "non-expanding" theory, this paper explains how the Redshifts are caused by "depletion in the photon energy during passage through the Sharmon medium".

http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sharma3.pdf

Another article that backs the conclusions.

http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/universe/index.html

Also, see the article on Halton Arp. Keep in mind that "Modern cosmology" has been shifting in opinion for decades and hasn't exactly settled.

And note that Hubble did not favor expanding universe models.

http://www.etheric.com/Cosmology/redshift.html

An article backing Arp's observations.

http://www.johmann.net/essays/big-bang-bunk.html
 
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I'm no physicist, but if the universe stopped expanding, wouldn't the force of it's own gravity cause it to contract at some point?
And Earth as the center of the Universe? Come on.
 
I'm no physicist but you don't have to be one to have a basic understanding of physics and nature. There is nothing whatsoever that is static. Everything changes, everything grows. Nothing stays the same or lasts forever. Metal rusts, rocks erode ,we die, the universe can be no different.
 
Too rich for my blood. Anyway, it's taken many years to get where I am now on the subject. I'll take Carl Sagan's word for it.
 

Photonic

Ad astra!
For the sake of preventing the spread of misinformation by Shermana;

First off, Hubble would have done anything but agree with a non-expanding, static universe.

Hubble's law is the name for the astronomical observation in physical cosmology first made by American astronomer Edwin Hubble, that: (1) all objects observed in deep space (interstellar space) are found to have a doppler shift observable relative velocity to Earth, and to each other; and (2) that this doppler-shift-measured velocity, of various galaxies receding from the Earth, is proportional to their distance from the Earth and all other interstellar bodies. In effect, the space-time volume of the observable universe is expanding and Hubble's law is the direct physical observation of this process.[1] The law was first derived from the General Relativity equations by Georges Lemaître in 1927.[2] Edwin Hubble derived it empirically in 1929[3] after nearly a decade of observations. The recession velocity of the objects was inferred from their redshifts, many measured earlier by Vesto Slipher (1917) and related to velocity by him.[4] It is considered the first observational basis for the expanding space paradigm and today serves as one of the pieces of evidence most often cited in support of the Big Bang model.
The law is often expressed by the equation v = H0D, with H0 the constant of proportionality (the Hubble constant) between the "proper distance" D to a galaxy (which can change over time, unlike the comoving distance) and its velocity v (i.e. the derivative of proper distance with respect to cosmological time coordinate; see Uses of the proper distance for some discussion of the subtleties of this definition of 'velocity'). The SI unit of H0 is s−1 but it is most frequently quoted in (km/s)/Mpc, thus giving the speed in km/s of a galaxy 1 megaparsec (3.09×1019 km) away. The reciprocal of H0 is the Hubble time.
A recent 2011 estimate of the Hubble constant, which used a new infrared camera on the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) to measure the distance and redshift for a collection of astronomical objects, gives a value of H0 = 73.8 ± 2.4 (km/s)/Mpc.[5][6] An alternate approach using data from galactic clusters gave a value of H0 = 67.0 ± 3.2 (km/s)/Mpc.[7][8]
An observational determination of the Hubble constant obtained in 2010 based on measurements of gravitational lensing by using the HST yielded a value of H0 = 72.6 ± 3.1 (km/s)/Mpc.[9] WMAP seven-year results, also from 2010, gave an estimate of H0 = 71.0 ± 2.5 (km/s)/Mpc based on WMAP data alone, and an estimate of H0 = 70.4 +1.3
−1.4 (km/s)/Mpc based on WMAP data with Gaussian priors based on earlier estimates from other studies.[10] In 2009 also using the Hubble Space Telescope the measure was 74.2 ± 3.6 (km/s)/Mpc.[11] The results agree closely with an earlier measurement, based on observations by the HST of Cepheid variable stars, of H0 = 72 ± 8 km/s/Mpc obtained in 2001.[12] In August 2006, a less-precise figure was obtained independently using data from NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory: H0 = 77 (km/s)/Mpc or about 2.5×10−18 s−1 with an uncertainty of ± 15%.[13] NASA's WMAP site summarizes existing data to indicate a constant of 70.8 ± 1.6 (km/s)/Mpc if space is assumed to be flat, or 70.8 ± 4.0 (km/s)/Mpc otherwise,[14] although these estimates have been on the site since January 2007[15] and may not take into account the more recent studies discussed above.


Second, yes, and because of relativity the Earth seems to be the center because things move away from it, this is also relative.

Pick one point on a balloon and put a dot there, now surround that dot with a bunch of other little dots. Then surround those dots with other little dots.

Ok now blow up the balloon. Note that the expansion between all dots increases, even though the center of the balloon is the original point of expansion.

From the view of the individual dots, it would appear as if they are, indeed, the center.



http://iopscience.iop.org/0264-9381/20/11/102/fulltext

"However, we find that spatially homogeneous gravitational-wave perturbations of the most general type destabilize a static universe. We pointed out the link that can be forged between this homogeneous instability and the behaviour of the inhomogeneous gravitational wave spectrum by choosing modes with imaginary wave number. Our results show that if the universe is in a neighbourhood of the Einstein static solution, it stays in that neighbourhood, but the Einstein static is not an attractor (because the stability is neutral, with non-damped oscillations). Expansion away from the static state can be triggered by a fall in the pressure of the matter. Typically, expansion away from the static solution will lead to inflation. If inflation occurs, then perturbations about a Friedmann geometry will rapidly be driven to zero. The nonlinear effects (which will certainly be important in these models because of the initial infinite timescale envisaged) will be discussed in a further paper, as will other aspects of the spatially homogeneous anisotropic modes."


I'm not done.


http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1108/1108.3962v1.pdf




"We have established that the Einstein static universe is unstable to Bianchi typeIX spatially homogeneous perturbations in the presence of non-tilted and tilted
perfect fluids with ρ + 3p > 0. We also found that the imaginary eigenvalues
corresponding to the perturbative effects of anisotropic curvature (Mixmaster
modes) and fluid tilt generalise the oscillatory behaviour of the finite wavelength
vector and tensor perturbations found in early studies of small amplitude perturbations"

Relevant research.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0703/0703556v1.pdf
 
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outhouse

Atheistically
Also, see the article on Halton Arp. Keep in mind that "Modern cosmology" has been shifting in opinion for decades and hasn't exactly settled.

Arp is heavily critisized and not followed by anyone in mainstream science.

Its just like you to find outdated work to base worthless findings on.

good lord his theories are 50 years OLD! [facepalm]

Halton Arp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arp originally proposed his theories in the 1960s; however, telescopes and astronomical instrumentation have advanced greatly since then:



Nonetheless, Arp has not wavered from his stand against the Big Bang and still publishes articles


I have tried to rewrite the entry to be as nice to Arp as possible and even present his position in a good lightwhile stating that current scientific evidence overwhelmingly disfavors his position



I think it is wrong to give the impression Dr. Arp's theories about redshift ever had much acceptance within the scientific community


According to Arp's POV the space is flat.









Face it! all you do is try and find outdated material to go against modern known and accepted science to protect your theology. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/#cite_note-10
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Following science methods from 70 years ago = FACEPALM

It would be a great time to let readers know shermana discounts most all modern science.

Non-standard cosmology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Non-standard cosmology. the title says it all.

The term non-standard is applied to any cosmological theory that does not conform to the scientific consensus.

From the 1940s to the 1960s, the astrophysical community was equally divided between supporters of the big bang theory and supporters of a rival steady state universe.




The biggest problem with Arp's analysis is that today there are tens of thousands of quasars with known redshifts discovered by various sky surveys.


Arp's analysis, according to most scientists, suffers from being based on small number statistics and hunting for peculiar coincidences and odd associations.


Here below, your own kind cannot even follow the ancient methods because its been debunked so well.

Although the original steady state model is now considered to be contrary to observations even by its one-time supporters, a modification of the steady state model has been proposed
 

outhouse

Atheistically
So now shermana

You currently discount

evolution
plate tecktonics
big bang
redshifts


How much more modern science do you have problems with????
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
parts of it would have to be like biomechanics where evolution is used to develop many modern medicines.

Say it isn't so...Evolution is actually applicable? You mean to tell me we can actually use what we know about evolution to create medicine and diagnose disease? Wow, you make a convincing case.....cause up til now some religious people treat the word itself as if it is a curse word.....:p
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Say it isn't so...Evolution is actually applicable? You mean to tell me we can actually use what we know about evolution to create medicine and diagnose disease? Wow, you make a convincing case.....cause up til now some religious people treat the word itself as if it is a curse word.....:p


;)

its all about focus


some people choose to focus on the gaps of knowledge in science instead of the science itself :facepalm: leaving them in a place so dark reality has a hard time shining any light in at all. :faint:
 

camanintx

Well-Known Member
Quantized Redshifts are proving that the Earth may in fact be in the location where everything first originated and spread from.
Unless quantized redshifts don't actually exist.

[astro-ph/0606294] On the investigations of galaxy redshift periodicity

In our opinion the existence of redshift periodicity among galaxies is not well established. The earlier results are based on a very small fraction of objects extracted from the large databases.
 

camanintx

Well-Known Member
Is there anything in your world that you would consider to have just happened?
Just about everything in this world happens with out design. That is how we are able to detect design in the first place, by comparing with the few things we do know are designed.
 
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