waitasec
Veteran Member
oh boi....
other than marriage...?
hmmm lets see...marriage is a pretty big deal
or maybe you consider marriage insignificant
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Christians: Has the church failed miserably at ministering to homosexuals?
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oh boi....
other than marriage...?
hmmm lets see...marriage is a pretty big deal
or maybe you consider marriage insignificant
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Aren't you the guy that's been trying to justify judging people?
And you've been refusing to address the teaching of Jesus regarding this.
Fester
Active Member
Then I hope the gospel you take to them wasn't Matthew 7, because that could be embarrassing.
"Jesus said 'Do not judge others, or you too will be judged.' So good luck in hell, gay dude."
Sorry, but no, it just doesn't work for me.
Fester
Active Member
Where did Jesus condemn homosexual sex? For that matter, where did Jesus even address homosexual sex, or homosexuality whatsoever? Point it out to me, please? Because I can't find it.Following Jesus requires us to give up all behaviors we trust in that he condemns (fornication, adulter, homosexual sex, thievery, etc).
-Peacemaker-
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aren't you the "pastor" that doesn't believe in pastoring?
Oh, that's right... except for maybe strumming that guitar in your avatar singing worship songs you're too unworthy to correct someone using the authority of Scripture or take part in any other significant aspect of God's agenda. Guess what? We all are, including all the biblical characters besides Jesus. Using the unworthy to accomplish his will is part of the story of God's plan for mankind.
2 Corinthians 12:11 "I have made a fool of myself, but you drove me to it. I ought to have been commended by you, for I am not in the least inferior to the "super-apostles," even though I am nothing."
Evidently you think Paul is just blowing smoke up people's ***es with false humility. He was nothing, you're nothing, I'm nothing, John the Baptist was nothing etc. etc. etc. Let's get off the sidelines and do the work God has called those who are nothing to do.
Matthew 11:11 “I tell you the truth, among those born of women, no one has arisen greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he is"
more evidence your hero John the Baptist isn't on some unreachable plateau
Matthew 18:4 "Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."
Notice it doesn't say the greatest in the kingdom of heaven are the one's God has chosen. I can't possibly imagine where you have drawn inspiration from in how to model a ministry because you seem to reject the idea of correcting people using the authority of Scripture, something demonstrated in the Bible by men of God time after time after time. You went to seminary, didn't they teach you that points of importance are emphasized in Scripture through repetition? When we correct people using Scripture all we're doing is allowing God to speak through us as his word is living and active.
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Curious006
New Member
Absolutely, the church has failed in this aspect. But for the most part, I hope that the fact that some of us have good intentions can make up for at least a tiny bit of that. God has called us to love everyone - including sinners. I have and have had many gay friends, and whenever this issue came up, I felt horrible explaining to them how I felt on the subject. But for the most part, they understood and were respectful of my choice.
Fester
Active Member
This is good, since we are all sinners.
And this is where I believe Christians need to tread much more carefully than many of us do. Jesus had a name for sinners who judge other sinners for sinning.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
That log removal isn't going very well I see.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Marriage is part of the religion and is a sacrament. It is for man and women. Not man and man, or women and women. You can not change it to make people happy. Just like you can not change scripture to back your agenda . If you don't like it, then follow Henry VIII and leave.oh boi....
other than marriage...?
hmmm lets see...marriage is a pretty big deal
or maybe you consider marriage insignificant
blackout
Violet.
As long as the rest of us have our rights as citizens,
churches can do or not do what they want.
Eventually, society will leave them largely behind.
Their congregations will become smaller, but stronger.
...and it's nothing for anyone to worry about.
in the churches or out.
Without freewill we are all just puppets and prisoners anyway.
We all need and deserve the freedom to forge our own paths--
as long as our paths are not blatantly stopping others from doing the same.
blackout
Violet.
Homosexuals cannot be 'ministered to',
unless they want to be.
As society evolves there will be less pier pressure on homosexuals
to be/pretend to be heterosexual.
This is good, because how can "change" under societal pressure, duress
and fear of rejection
be counted as the "fruits of ministry".
unless they want to be.
As society evolves there will be less pier pressure on homosexuals
to be/pretend to be heterosexual.
This is good, because how can "change" under societal pressure, duress
and fear of rejection
be counted as the "fruits of ministry".
waitasec
Veteran Member
then don't marry a homosexual...
i'm sure homosexuals feel the same if they married a heterosexual
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
I don't think I agree with this. I see society growing more and more in fear. I live in a town where there is only one blinking light and people carry a stick to be safe when taking walks.(I wonder if being safe is considered one of those rights we have?)Wasn't long ago we could sleep with the the front door open and listen to crickets chirpen.Guns are in the schools. Political correctness is going to fail I tell ya!Folks are going to realise politics are not the answer and the evil in mans heart can't be justified by laws.Society as a whole is learning not to trust each other and will be scattered throughout many different spiritual paths learning that the truth comes from within.
A lot of the foolish seem to live by rights. They walk in front of moving vehicles in parking lots without looking because it is their right.They will pull out in front of other cars at stop signs and stop lights.etc.....
Society is looking at the white house for answers and it is the same as asking a liar for the truth! In fact you will find that the issues citizens have with rights concerning religion is political and not from the church itself. It is corrupt politicians who have taken the message of love and grace and have used it to manipulate politics for selfish agendas.Jesus pointed this out with his message to the Pharisees and Saducees who had a system of law based in what they believed to be Godly principals.
I think its time to quit blaming the gun but instead blame the one who is pulling the trigger!
All freedoms you have or don't have are completely political and any religion that has been used to control or manipulate in coercing laws have come from political manipulation using religion as a gun.Jesus never meant for his message to be coerced in law.
You want to live by rights?
We used to have a right to live with our doors unlocked in the safty of our own homes! We may have the right but reality and rights just don't go hand in hand!
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
You know - if you were able to remove that log, we'd all have to worship you as much as you worship yourself.
-Peacemaker-
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It's not my fault if you weren't taught how to properly read Matthew 7:5. No one can ever claim to be sinless except JC but there is a level of integrity and sanctification we are both called to reach and can reach with God's grace in this world. These are the people who are supposed to be Christian leaders and who using the authority of Scripture are called to speak into other's lives which includes words of correction.
1 Thessalonians 4:
3It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4that each of you should learn to control his own bodya in a way that is holy and honorable, 5not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; 6and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. 7For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Ha! It's not my fault that you aren't reading it at all.
You should start Junglej25's Log Removal Service. Later on you can add "and sons."
You can make toilet paper out of Matt 7:5.
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
Ha! It's not my fault that you aren't reading it at all.
You should start Junglej25's Log Removal Service. Later on you can add "and sons."
You can make toilet paper out of Matt 7:5.
Let me ask you some questions to see if we can sort this out. What do you tell to someone you're supposed to be Christian leader when they come up and tell you that they've decided to believe God doesn't love them? Do you tell him that's a lie and quote the Scripture supporting why you say that or do you say "you know I'm just not qualified to speak on this subject'? What do yousay to one of your flock who's single when they tell you that they've decided to not wait until marriage to get laid? Do you tell them that God has called them to celebacy while single and then quote the verse that supports that or do you shrug your shoulders? How about when a married man comes up to you and tell you he's in an adulterous relationship with someone? Do you quote the verses that speak to God's position on adultery or do you again refuse to get involved other than to speak about your lack of qualifications to deal with the situation?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
You're obviously a god. Why don't you just tell me what I believe.
You can see clearly.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Oh Junglej25, don't worry. God has a bakery where the Holy Spirit produces cookie cutter pastors who will do just what you like. Pastor search committees do it every day - it's just like - exactly like - ordering a pizza. Tell God what you believe and he can spit out the candidate of your choice.
Just as sinful. Just as lean.
Who knows, maybe actually will think that he's perfect, too.
And that's why the church fails with homosexuals.
Just as sinful. Just as lean.
Who knows, maybe actually will think that he's perfect, too.
And that's why the church fails with homosexuals.