Then how do you explain Matthew 20v28 ?_________________
What about John 1v29 ____________
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Eve more guilty than Adam
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Then how do you explain Matthew 20v28 ?_________________
What about John 1v29 ____________
I dont need to explain. The writers of those gospels put words in Jesus' mouth. Typical Semitic ways of writing.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
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Evandr
Stripling Warrior
OK, once again.
Nobody knows how long Adam and Eve were in the garden before Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, it could have been a very very long time. Lucifer was able to convince Eve that she needed to partake of the fruit so as to gain the "knowledge" or, in other words the "understanding" of the difference between good and evil, something she had yet to receive and something that was necessary for her actions to considered a sin - such knowledge is what makes us different than the rest of thge world's animal kingdom.
Eve did not sin because she had no ability to understand the concept, she only chose to do something and accept the consequences rather than remain forever in the garden. As for Adam, he willingly partook of the fruit because he understood that if he did not he would be left a lone man in the garden because Eve was going to be cast out. Adam sacrificed his immortality and place in the garden so as to be able to remain with Eve and fulfill the commandment to be fruitful and replenish the earth, a commandment they received while in the garden but it came without a time frame so, being immortal while in the garden, they could have lived forever with that commandment without failing to meet the requirements of being fruitful because they had all the time in the world and beyond to accomplish it but something had to happen first.
Eve partook of the fruit so as to gain knowledge and Adam partook so as to be able to stay with Eve. There was no 'Original Sin" only original choice because it was given to Adam and Eve to choose for themselves what they would do and how long they would take to do it.
Nobody knows how long Adam and Eve were in the garden before Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, it could have been a very very long time. Lucifer was able to convince Eve that she needed to partake of the fruit so as to gain the "knowledge" or, in other words the "understanding" of the difference between good and evil, something she had yet to receive and something that was necessary for her actions to considered a sin - such knowledge is what makes us different than the rest of thge world's animal kingdom.
Eve did not sin because she had no ability to understand the concept, she only chose to do something and accept the consequences rather than remain forever in the garden. As for Adam, he willingly partook of the fruit because he understood that if he did not he would be left a lone man in the garden because Eve was going to be cast out. Adam sacrificed his immortality and place in the garden so as to be able to remain with Eve and fulfill the commandment to be fruitful and replenish the earth, a commandment they received while in the garden but it came without a time frame so, being immortal while in the garden, they could have lived forever with that commandment without failing to meet the requirements of being fruitful because they had all the time in the world and beyond to accomplish it but something had to happen first.
Eve partook of the fruit so as to gain knowledge and Adam partook so as to be able to stay with Eve. There was no 'Original Sin" only original choice because it was given to Adam and Eve to choose for themselves what they would do and how long they would take to do it.
You don't have to believe it either!
Soooooooah, are we at an impasse?
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Blessings, AJ
It's a story. Remember NO ONE was there with a video camera watching Jesus, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, God, Adam, Eve having the conversations. Not even the writer of Genesis, Matthew, John was there because it's a made up story which you bought as historical.
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Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
It's a story. Remember NO ONE was there with a video camera watching Jesus, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, God, Adam, Eve having the conversations. Not even the writer of Genesis, Matthew, John was there because it's a made up story which you bought as historical.
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no one fillmed Alexander the Greats conquests either... but we still believe they happened
no one fillmed Alexander the Greats conquests either... but we still believe they happened
Why?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Why?
because they were reported on by historians and there is evidence of his conquests in the fact that the greek language and culture was spread abroad, monuments were erected in his honor, buildings and plaques are found with information imprinted on them and many more physical evidences of his rule is still with us.
just like christianity has.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
You do realize that there is a difference between "christianity" and "Jesus, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, God, Adam, Eve", right?
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
It's a story. Remember NO ONE was there with a video camera watching Jesus, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, God, Adam, Eve having the conversations. Not even the writer of Genesis, Matthew, John was there because it's a made up story which you bought as historical.
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hypocryte - you tout that NO ONE was there with a video camera to record history so it is unreliable at best yet in the same breath you claim that these stories are made up - well tell me this Mr flip-flop, who was there to substantiate your claims?
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
Why?
It's a sad cynic that believes that every time an historian puts pen to paper they proceed to tell stories that are untrue simpoly because it does not jive with what you want to be true. I choose to believe that, although there is much lacking in historical accounts, there is still enough truth and fact to support the accumulated wisdom of the ages; that, in spite of inherant inaccuracies, it can become a source of moral guidance and strength to those who choose to seek it rather than spend all their time making excuses for personal failure to gain anything thereby. You are trying to hide your mammoth plight of failure behind an all too transparent veil of cynicism.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
whats the difference?
there were witnesses who testified to the events surrounding Jesus life. 4 different people wrote individual accounts....and those accounts were read by eyewitnesses... do you really think that they would have deliberately written false and misleading accounts when there were still plenty of people around who could testify otherwise???
i dont.
MapMistress
Member
Actually--I see it the opposite way. Eve was completely innocent and Adam was guilty.
Let's start with the word "apples" in the Adam and Eve story. We all would agree that there's no apple orchards in the Middle East, right? Yet, that's what the Adam and Eve story said. Where did the word apple come from?
The Bible from today that we have in English was translated from German. German was translated from Latin. The Latin version came from the Greek. In Greek the word "apple" has dual meaning. In addition to apple the "fruit", apple also means "breasts".
So looking at apple from the alternate meaning in Greek of apple...meaning "breasts"...It was forbidden for Adam to touch Eve's breasts. Adam contends that it was Eve's fault, that Eve gave him her breasts. And Adam sounds like he's not telling the truth here. Either it takes two to tango--or ....the next alternative in logic.
Why was it forbidden for Adam to take Eve's breasts? And the logical answer to that was BECAUSE ADAM AND EVE HAD THE SAME FATHER! You all know you've thought about this one before...and every minister has heard the question...."If Adam and Eve had the same father--then weren't they brother and sister?"
So it was forbidden for Adam to take Eve's breasts, because Eve was his sister. And before Eve--Adam got in trouble trying to lay down with Lilith and Lilith ran away. Adam was in trouble for whatever happened with Lilith running away. So there's Adam, Eve (brother sister), their father, some girl named Lilith in their village, and when you throw in the Dead Sea Scrolls, there's some sort of medicine woman or medicine man that punished both Adam and Eve before the breast incident because Eve gave Adam some potion that boys were not supposed to have. As punishment, Adam was required to stand in the Tigris for a day--Eve was to stand in the Euphrates. So there's a whole village of people in the story that somehow get edited out -- most likely by the Romans.
So if Adam claims that it was Eve's fault, that his sister gave him her breasts/apples...is Adam telling the truth? That would all depend on Eve's age. Who's older here? Was Adam the older sibling or was Eve the older sibling? And when one looks at when Eve was capable of reproduction (menstruation) it kinda looks like Eve was pre-puberty because it was said to be hundreds of "years" after "exile" before Eve had her first kid. We know that the "years" are really lunar moons, or lunar months...so even if only 100 lunar months that's about 8 years. Eve was pre-puberty.
Now is Adam believable? He claims it was Eve's fault, that Eve gave him her apples/breast, when Eve is pre-puberty. Adam also claims in the story that he passes on to his children (which survived by word of mouth until written down) that their father told them to go together into exile. But that Adam's father had promised him land before exiled. Adam also magically got seeds--where from?
So I think Adam was lying. I think their father caught him doing something to his sister--I think only Adam was exiled because Eve was pre-puberty. Adam split--waited, came back and stole some seed angry that his father had promised him land but then exiled him. And then he grabbed pre-puberty Eve and took her with him. (kidnapped)
Then when Eve reached puberty and had children, Adam was calling the shots passing the story on to his children. Clearly Cain knew the story was bogus and Cain did like his daddy and kidnapped his sister. Like father-like son...a son can only do what he was taught to do by his father.
After the Cain incident, Adam wanted to make sure that none of the younger children did the same thing...so Adam lied about their father and his sister Eve. And that's the story that got passed down.
Pre-puberty Eve was incident. It's highly unlikely that pre-puberty Eve gave her brother Adam her apples/breasts. Adam is a guilty pedophile liar who kidnapped his sister and his son Cain did the same thing as daddy.
Send that rant to Warren Jeffs
You were, that's why yer angry at scholars.
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
LOL!!! You're right, I should but that idiot is doing a fine job all by himself at drowning in his blatant stupidity and becoming victim to the train wrecks initiated by the head on contradictions he spouts every time he opens his mouth.
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
EEEEWW! Bristeling hairs, now say something!