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Men who abuse Gods name and authority

CaptainBritain

Active Member
Below is a quote by a wicked human being who in my humble opinion is useing God to justify his wicked acts and that sick waste of skin individual did this many times.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

In the old testement we see lots of wicked acts, could the use of Gods name in relation to those wicked acts (destruction of towns, ethnic cleansing, murder, rape, slavery, barbaric laws etc) amount to the same thing?.

ie perhaps the God of the O/T is not wicked one bit and never harmed a fly.
perhaps his name is being used to justify that which he never authorized, perhaps his name is just being used to justify the acts of a wicked human being as it has been done right up to today.

If God is one of love, it would certainly seem logical.

This applies to the wicked acts in any holy book, just used the Bible as its most familiar to me.


 
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ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
Common knowledge is not knowledge. Cannot "abuse" the name of god. Getting up on stage and performing drama in the form of "in the name of Jesus Christ" makes for great theater. But god is a little more clever then alla that. Think about - yeshua? joshua? - and what was the form of address chosen by god as a form of introduction?

I am that I am.

Verily, I say unto thee - before Abraham was, I am...

...there's some unnecessary abuse of god, for you viewing pleasure. :D
 

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
Below is a quote by a wicked human being who in my humble opinion is useing God to justify his wicked acts and that sick waste of skin individual did this many times.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

In the old testement we see lots of wicked acts, could the use of Gods name in relation to those wicked acts (destruction of towns, ethnic cleansing, murder, rape, slavery, barbaric laws etc) amount to the same thing?.

ie perhaps the God of the O/T is not wicked one bit and never harmed a fly.
perhaps his name is being used to justify that which he never authorized, perhaps his name is just being used to justify the acts of a wicked human being as it has been done right up to today.

If God is one of love, it would certainly seem logical.

This applies to the wicked acts in any holy book, just used the Bible as its most familiar to me.




It's amazing how people can read the book that says that God commanded this, and God instructed that, and can look at this or that and say "yeah, that happened, but God didn't really command it."

What makes you think that if it didn't happen as it was written (i.e. prescribed by God), that it happened at all?

This is the second thread I've seen this in. If you believe the book was fraudulent enough to have the people falsely claiming that God told them to do what they did, why believe that they did it at all?
 
If someone does something good in God's name nobody batters an eyelid yet if they do something bad then everyone rushes forward to denounce it was ungodly.

Obviously nobody wants their God associated with bad stuff but its not entirely clear how they are able to determine what their God approved of or not.

Maybe God does let US soldiers be killed because of homosexuals. I find this notion repulsive and so do many Christians but its just as valid as any other religious claim.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
This is the second thread I've seen this in. If you believe the book was fraudulent enough to have the people falsely claiming that God told them to do what they did, why believe that they did it at all?
Only the second time? That shows a remarkable (self-serving) insularity given the number of Jews who and the wealth of Jewish scholarship that rejects such primitive literalism. You are, of course, free to believe as you wish, but please be aware that you do not reflect mainstream Judaism. This too is fine so long as you and the reader are clear ... :yes:
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It's amazing how people can read the book that says that God commanded this, and God instructed that, and can look at this or that and say "yeah, that happened, but God didn't really command it."

What makes you think that if it didn't happen as it was written (i.e. prescribed by God), that it happened at all?

This is the second thread I've seen this in. If you believe the book was fraudulent enough to have the people falsely claiming that God told them to do what they did, why believe that they did it at all?

I'm confused. Are you arguing:

1) The authors of the Bible wrote that God commanded them to destroy certain communities.

2) The authors were right that the communities were destroyed.

3) Therefore, the authors must be right that God commanded them.
 

CaptainBritain

Active Member
It's amazing how people can read the book that says that God commanded this, and God instructed that, and can look at this or that and say "yeah, that happened, but God didn't really command it."

What makes you think that if it didn't happen as it was written (i.e. prescribed by God), that it happened at all?

This is the second thread I've seen this in. If you believe the book was fraudulent enough to have the people falsely claiming that God told them to do what they did, why believe that they did it at all?

Because I believe Hitler did what he did but I do not believe he was under the direction of God to do so just because he claimed he was, ergo the point.

For your other questions, I think it pretty well established that a lot of the O/T never happened as described, but I will ask this, do you think Hitler, Mohammed, the popes that have all gone by etc were all under the instruction of God and doing his divine work to the letter as they claimed?

Just because it is in the O/T, it does not make it made of teflon, some brown stuff does stick.
 
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