dinosaurs or adam and eve?

which did god create 1st?
dinosaurs or adam and eve?

history tells us with proof that dinosaurs were around 64 million years b4 humans were around

but the bible tells us that adam and eve were created on the 6th day (or the 7th..i forgot)

i asked my cousin this question...and being the hardcore christian that she is..she believes that there were no such things as dinosaurs

than i asked my mom...she tells me long time ago..in gods eye..one day could have been a million years today..it makes sense..but i just wanted to hear something new from other people..so im asking it here

There is no way to know exactly how long it took to create the earth. In Hebrew the word translated "day" in the Bible is actually a word meaning an indeterminate amount of time. It could have been billions of years. We don't know. The only thing we do know is that there was no death until after the Fall.

I believe fossil evidence and carbon dating are two pretty good indicators of Earths evolutionary timeline.

I think you`re missing an important piece of the scripture that defines Biblical creation.
The "day" in genesis is described as ..

And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And the evening and the morning were the second day.
And the evening and the morning were the third day.
etc..etc..

I`d say a literal reading of the Biblical creation story pretty well defines "day" as 24 hours.

Then there is also...
Gen 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Here god seems to be making a distinction between years and days that would lead one to believe his time is the same as our time.

God created the universe in 6 24 hour days.
So sayeth the Bible.

Majikthise said:

I believe fossil evidence and carbon dating are two pretty good indicators of Earths evolutionary timeline.

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Yeah well there is that too but ..phhpt...who needs that stuff when the Bible tells ya other stuff?

As far as i know, Satan was there before Adam and Eve.

who. cares.

good grief! i'm sorry, but my goodness we go on about this alot don't we?

chill. go listen to some john fogerty, take a bubble bath, tickle a pug.

but chill.

dan said:

There is no way to know exactly how long it took to create the earth. In Hebrew the word translated "day" in the Bible is actually a word meaning an indeterminate amount of time. It could have been billions of years. We don't know.

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I get so tired of this type of self-serving nonsense.

Genesis

1. IN THE beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth.
2. Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of G-d hovered over the face of the waters.
3. And G-d said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light.
4. And G-d saw the light, that it was good; and G-d divided the light from the darkness.
5. And G-d called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Pretending that Gen 1:5 meant anything other than a twenty-four hour period is ignorant or dishonest.

gayvin said:

which did god create 1st?
dinosaurs or adam and eve?

history tells us with proof that dinosaurs were around 64 million years b4 humans were around

but the bible tells us that adam and eve were created on the 6th day (or the 7th..i forgot)

i asked my cousin this question...and being the hardcore christian that she is..she believes that there were no such things as dinosaurs

than i asked my mom...she tells me long time ago..in gods eye..one day could have been a million years today..it makes sense..but i just wanted to hear something new from other people..so im asking it here

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Hi gayvin,
Dinosaurs were created on the same day (6th day)as man about 6000 years ago.
You may find the following links helpful.
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=2033
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=2033

or for more links regarding dinosaurs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dinosaurs.asp

Jayhawker Soule said:

I get so tired of this type of self-serving nonsense.

Genesis

1. IN THE beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth.
2. Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of G-d hovered over the face of the waters.
3. And G-d said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light.
4. And G-d saw the light, that it was good; and G-d divided the light from the darkness.
5. And G-d called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Pretending that Gen 1:5 meant anything other than a twenty-four hour period is ignorant or dishonest.

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well said

Majikthise said:

I believe fossil evidence and carbon dating are two pretty good indicators of Earths evolutionary timeline.

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hehe; I agree completely.

Steve said:

Hi gayvin,
Dinosaurs were created on the same day (6th day)as man about 6000 years ago.
You may find the following links helpful.
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module...on=view&ID=2033
http://www.answersingenesis.org/doc...Dino_tissue.asp


or for more links regarding dinosaurs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/hom...q/dinosaurs.asp

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Please, don't use answersinGenesis; one of our members here started a thread in which she tore down the fabric of that site as being obtusely misinformed. As a fellow Christian, I admire and understand your need to believe in ID and Creation, but, frankli, I don't see how you can ignore science.

I manage to remain a Christian without needing to believe genesis to the letter. Thank goodness.

Jayhawker Soule said:

I get so tired of this type of self-serving nonsense.

Genesis

1. IN THE beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth.
2. Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of G-d hovered over the face of the waters.
3. And G-d said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light.
4. And G-d saw the light, that it was good; and G-d divided the light from the darkness.
5. And G-d called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Pretending that Gen 1:5 meant anything other than a twenty-four hour period is ignorant or dishonest.

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I am sure the writer did mean what he wrote.
However I believe he was also wrong.
Nevertheless it is a good story, and illustrates God's creation as well as a primative of his time could come up with.


Terry_______________________

Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

I'm pretty sure one day we will have all the evidence we need to give us a proper time line that says it all but I do believe the Bible...I also believe that perhaps the planet we reside on could possibly have rotated slower making a day longer than it is today...on the day God calls me home it's on my list for questions to ask first...in the meantime I just trust that when God wants me to know the answer to that question He will provide it in no UNcertian terms.


I also feel they have some of these dinos wrong...some they have only recovered a head...some look like things of today but in differing sizes that could have mutated after the flood due to the fact that it must have taken plant life a while to return to normal...we've all seen the devastation of floods so if you look at it in the terms of how could this be ...some things could be more explainable perhaps some things we just aren't to know...I for one like the dino's,have since I was a kid and I did a 13 foot mural on my grandsons wall filled with dino's and prehistoric landscape...but when it comes to how old they were...only God knows for sure.

michel said:

Please, don't use answersinGenesis; one of our members here started a thread in which she tore down the fabric of that site as being obtusely misinformed. As a fellow Christian, I admire and understand your need to believe in ID and Creation, but, frankli, I don't see how you can ignore science.

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Ive read the thread that you are refering to, your claims that it 'tore down the fabric of that site as being obtusely misinformed' are absurd. Maybe i should just say, "please dont use talkorigins because in my opinion it is obtusely misinformed"
For the most part when ever i post anything from that site the actual content i post dosnt get refuted, instead just whingy complaints about the site in genral.

Your claim that i ignor science is just a strawman, you dont seem to understand that i really enjoy science, have a keen interest in it and i dont belive that objective science argues against ID and more specifically Biblically Creation. Are you saying that if a scientist after studying in somthing in his chosen field declares that it points most logically to a designer that he is being unscientific?
You claim to be a Christian, do you belive romans 1:20?
That verse explicitly states that its clear to see God existance from what he has made, do you disagree?

Jesus himself quoted from the book of Genesis, on the day when you bend you knee befor him will you wish you took it a little more seriously?
Instead you belive the layers were laid down slowly throughout millions of years of death and suffering even befor mankind existed, all of which flies in the face of what the bible teaches (and not just in genesis)- global flood (which caused the layers and fossils), death after sin. What do you say to someone who asks why there is death and suffereing? "God likes it like that? didnt you know he made everything with evolution" That does not describe Jesus Christ, the God who instanly made the blind see, turned water into wine, cured leprosy.

michel said:

I manage to remain a Christian without needing to believe genesis to the letter.

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do you?
While i dont suggest that those who dont belive in 'the flood' etc are therefore not christian, i do wonder at how much you can disregard from the bible and still remain consistant.
I mean if you dont belive in the fall which introduced death and suffering and instead believe that it had been around millions of years befor mankind its not a nice way for God to create what he claimed was 'very good' especially when its the bible which claims death is the enemy. Paul said in Romans 5 "Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses"
What piece of 'evidence' is it that has you so convinced that Genesis isnt true? Jesus belived it.

Steve, My friend,
I am sorry if I have offended you; that was not my intent. mine was simply to point out that how ever of ten you holler:-your quoted" Dinosaurs were created on the same day (6th day)as man about 6000 years ago."

To me, you do Christianity a diservice, because you heap the ridule of being determined to continue propagating a fallacy that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Hey, it's not my job to tell you what to think; if ypou are happy thinking that dinosaurs and man appeared 6ooo years ago, then believe it; I just suggest that you don't make it public, because everyone with any knowledge will be 'turned off ' from whatever you say becvause they will have made up their minds straight away that anything you say is not worth listening to. God bless, Michel

Steve, My friend,
I am sorry if I have offended you; that was not my intent. mine was simply to point out that how ever often you holler:-your quoted" Dinosaurs were created on the same day (6th day)as man about 6000 years ago."

To me, you do Christianity a diservice, because you heap the ridule of being determined to continue propagating a fallacy that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Hey, it's not my job to tell you what to think; if ypou are happy thinking that dinosaurs and man appeared 6ooo years ago, then believe it; I just suggest that you don't make it public, because everyone with any knowledge will be 'turned off ' from whatever you say becvause they will have made up their minds straight away that anything you say is not worth listening to. God bless, Michel

Jeez oh man!!!

There are several peoples of the world whose history goes back beyond the magical
date of 6,000 years. There is absolutely positively ZERO evidence that humans and
T-Rex were on the planet at the same time.

"I beleive the bible, word for word" says many a Christian.
"What about dinosaurs and all the vast scientific evidence that the world is about
4.5 billion years old?" questions the skeptic.

"the Lord works in mysterious ways, and we lowly humans are not capable of
understanding such things" replies the beleiver.

Then the skeptic goes and bangs his head against the wall, as another attempt
to have an intelligent discussion goes in the toilet.

B.

michel said:

Steve, My friend,
I am sorry if I have offended you; that was not my intent. mine was simply to point out that how ever often you holler:-your quoted" Dinosaurs were created on the same day (6th day)as man about 6000 years ago."

To me, you do Christianity a diservice, because you heap the ridule of being determined to continue propagating a fallacy that sticks out like a sore thumb.

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Hi michel,
You havnt offended me, but i hope for your sake that you dont offended Jesus every time you proclaim him an evolutionist and his word untrustworthy.
To me that does Christianity more of a disservice.

When ever i post somthing regarding a young earth i know the ridicule etc to expect, im not ignorant. Yet ridicule does not make somthing untrue, there have been many times in the past where the majority have had it significantly wrong. Rather then bow down to the majority id rather search down a level or 2 past the strawmen on both sides of the debate and take good look at what each side belives and what evidence they have. This i have done and i am now a Creationist. Jesus himself said many times to expect ridicule and the like because of our faith, why are you so willing to compromise and conform what the bible teaches just to escape this ridicule?

michel said:

Hey, it's not my job to tell you what to think; if ypou are happy thinking that dinosaurs and man appeared 6ooo years ago, then believe it; I just suggest that you don't make it public, because everyone with any knowledge will be 'turned off ' from whatever you say becvause they will have made up their minds straight away that anything you say is not worth listening to. God bless, Michel

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anyone with "knowledge" ay?
If Jesus was on this earth today and made the same statement
Would you say "Jesus dont say that because everyone with any knowledge will be 'turned off ' from whatever you say becvause they will have made up their minds straight away that anything you say is not worth listening to."
Consider the implications of the things you say, it sounds like you yourself would be turned off from the one you claim is your savior.

Whats interesting is you didnt address any of the points and their implications i raised in my previous post, how bout you give them a go.

MdmSzdWhtGuy said:

There are several peoples of the world whose history goes back beyond the magical
date of 6,000 years.

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which ones?

MdmSzdWhtGuy said:

There is absolutely positively ZERO evidence that humans and T-Rex were on the planet at the same time.

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Do you really belive that? have you only ever looked at evolutionist's material where one wouldnt expect such evidence to be brought forward?

MdmSzdWhtGuy said:

"I beleive the bible, word for word" says many a Christian.
"What about dinosaurs and all the vast scientific evidence that the world is about
4.5 billion years old?" questions the skeptic.

"the Lord works in mysterious ways, and we lowly humans are not capable of
understanding such things" replies the beleiver.

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No instead i would reply, "what about all the vast scientific evidence the world is not 4.5 billion years old" and then if the person was genuinly interested and open to the idea hopefully we would have an intelligent discussion.

Jayhawker Soule said:

Pretending that Gen 1:5 meant anything other than a twenty-four hour period is ignorant or dishonest.

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Don't you mean ignorant or dishonest or in opposition to what you personally believe? Aren't the three synonymous?

Rabbi Lazer Gurkow said:

It is possible that G-d created the universe 5765 years ago but created it to look billions of years old. The Midrash teaches that Adam was created a grown man; if you looked at him (at the moment of creation) you would have guessed him to be about thirty years old. The universe could have been created the same way. With tell tale sings at creation that claim a much older age than it actually is.

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