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Let's talk about gay people.

Levite

Levite

Higher and Higher
Mellonhead said:
I am an openly bisexual person, for those of you that do not know, that means I am someone who enjoys sexual relations with both genders.

What do those of you who use this site think? Does anyone have an opinion on gay people. Or, if some of you think being both straight or gay is okay, but bi isn't be sure to say why.

And before someone says anything, I used to be straight, but changed my views and turned by. For those of you who didn't think it was (or at the very least can be) a choice, it is.

Anyway, let's hear whoever has an opinion on the subject, try to keep bigotry and ignorant remarks to a minimum, please and thank you.
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I think that it's none of my damn business who sleeps with who, providing everyone involved is a consenting adult.

So you like doing dudes as well as girls. Mazel tov.

And since you asked for religious opinions, there is nothing, according to Judaism, that prohibits non-Jews from any sexual behavior except for incest. And for Jews, non-Orthodox Judaism (which is most of Judaism) reinterprets problematic Bible verses, so that merely being gay (or bi) is not prohibited. But even Orthodoxy, which does still prohibit gay sex, recently issued a declaration reminding their constituency that the behavior may be prohibited, but that doesn't mean that God does not love gay people, or that they cannot be productive members of an Orthodox community, or that it is in any way okay to bully or hold contempt for gay people.
 
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Alex_G

Alex_G

Enlightner of the Senses
Mellonhead said:
I am an openly bisexual person, for those of you that do not know, that means I am someone who enjoys sexual relations with both genders.

What do those of you who use this site think? Does anyone have an opinion on gay people. Or, if some of you think being both straight or gay is okay, but bi isn't be sure to say why.

And before someone says anything, I used to be straight, but changed my views and turned by. For those of you who didn't think it was (or at the very least can be) a choice, it is.

Anyway, let's hear whoever has an opinion on the subject, try to keep bigotry and ignorant remarks to a minimum, please and thank you.
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Dude, you seem quick to pre-empt the bigotry, and with an undertone of aggression it seems you have jumped to conclusions about the users of this site. I wouldn’t want you to undermine your threads message of acceptance and the value of getting to know peoples inner beauty by prematurely convincing yourself that people here lack some integrity.

For my own interest, what is it that's really stimulated you to start this thread here? Have you had trouble in the past with views regarding the moral freedoms of sexuality? I hope that your aim is not to channel any past frustrations at an innocent crowd that happens to carry a familiar label (religious forums) that you associated with past intolerances.
And even if so, i hope the discovery of some honest discussion will in fact bring you something much more constructive and satisfying. :)

Alex
 
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Mellonhead

Member
lunakilo said:
I still don't see how being gay/straight/bisexual could be a choice.
Having sex with someone is a choice (or should be at least :) )
But you don't choose if you want to have sex with someone.

As for the OP...
My opinion on this topic is that as long as all the people involved are ok with what happenes, you can do what ever you want. If you want to have sex with seven people, 3 women, 3 men and a hermaphrodite, all at the same time while standing on your head, then fine by me, as long as all eight of you agree that that is what you want to do. But make sure that you agree on whether it is going to be a recurring phenomenon or not.


How old are you? Sex in nice, love is better.
If you finde the one and only then what you plan dosn't matter. :)
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Actually I do choose if I want to have sex with someone, I don't see how that is weird to some people, but maybe that's just my outlook on things. Now there are some people I won't touch from either genders, but sexual attraction is normally solely based, as I said, on my view of there personality.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Penumbra said:
I have no opinion on LGBT people based on their LGBT aspect alone- I have an opinion on people in general for other reasons (like their personality, for instance).


What if it turned out that homosexuality was put in place as a test by god not to test homosexuals, but to test heterosexual people's reaction towards it?
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No! No! No! That could never be right. God made some people homosexuals because . . . because . . . well, because.
 
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Mellonhead

Member
Alex_G said:
Dude, you seem quick to pre-empt the bigotry, and with an undertone of aggression it seems you have jumped to conclusions about the users of this site. I wouldn’t want you to undermine your threads message of acceptance and the value of getting to know peoples inner beauty by prematurely convincing yourself that people here lack some integrity.

For my own interest, what is it that's really stimulated you to start this thread here? Have you had trouble in the past with views regarding the moral freedoms of sexuality? I hope that your aim is not to channel any past frustrations at an innocent crowd that happens to carry a familiar label (religious forums) that you associated with past intolerances.
And even if so, i hope the discovery of some honest discussion will in fact bring you something much more constructive and satisfying. :)

Alex
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I appreciate the effort, but you are digging a little to deep. I simply want to know people's opinions. Speaking of which, I don't believe you gave yours.
 
lunakilo

lunakilo

Well-Known Member
Mellonhead said:
Actually I do choose if I want to have sex with someone, I don't see how that is weird to some people, but maybe that's just my outlook on things. Now there are some people I won't touch from either genders, but sexual attraction is normally solely based, as I said, on my view of there personality.
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When I say want to have sex with some one, i maen feel like having sex with someone
How can you possible choose how you feel?
 
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Mellonhead

Member
lunakilo said:
When I say want to have sex with some one, i maen feel like having sex with someone
How can you possible choose how you feel?
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As I said I don't really feel sexual attraction much, it's more about who i get along with. I operate more on intellect rather then instinct. All I know is I found it disgusting without reason when i was Christian because I was told it was wrong and I was a dumb child, but now that I see nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't seem like much of an issue. People tend to over think things, sex is basically stimulation to certain areas, if there is something stopping you from having sex with someone, then it's an idea, not some sort of chemical imbalance.

Too support this my friend was seduced by a trap once as a joke, for those of you that do not know, a trap is a very convincing cross dresser. You can imagine how loud the scream was when he found out.
 
Alex_G

Alex_G

Enlightner of the Senses
Mellonhead said:
I appreciate the effort, but you are digging a little to deep. I simply want to know people's opinions. Speaking of which, I don't believe you gave yours.
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My opinion would be that it is not anyone's place to really voice an opinion on the things that are by right someone's to choose in peace. There is no aspect of honestly following one’s own compass to a happy life, whether that is through homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual activities, which would constitute anything immoral. On the other hand efforts made to impede the happiness of others is morally suspect to say the least, and people who make an effort to shame and oppress others on such unjust grounds are very much in the wrong.

Alex
 
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Mellonhead

Member
Alex_G said:
My opinion would be that it is not anyone's place to really voice an opinion on the things that are by right someone's to choose in peace. There is no aspect of honestly following one’s own compass to a happy life, whether that is through homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual activities, which would constitute anything immoral. On the other hand efforts made to impede the happiness of others is morally suspect to say the least, and people who make an effort to shame and oppress others on such unjust grounds are very much in the wrong.

Alex
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I agree with this completely.

And too others, yes I know it is in our biology to make babies, but this is a debate here, you guys need to bring things to the table, even if they are obvious things. My last post is full of holes.
 
lunakilo

lunakilo

Well-Known Member
Mellonhead said:
People tend to over think things, sex is basically stimulation to certain areas, if there is something stopping you from having sex with someone, then it's an idea, not some sort of chemical imbalance.
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What's with the "chemical imbalance"-thing?
Who says sex has something to do with a chemical imbalance?
 
Penumbra

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Mellonhead said:
@Virtue: That is a very interesting and fresh outlook on things, could you elaborate more?
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@Virtue?

I assume you're referring to me by my religious label.

I'll try to elaborate, but I don't have much more to say on it.

To be clear, I'm not a theist, and I'm not saying that it's my personal opinion that god uses homosexuality to test heterosexual reaction to it. But in response to a somewhat common assumption that homosexuality is a test for the individual that has it, I'm attempting to broaden the view and suggest that if one steps outside that belief for a moment, they may see it a different way.

With a more modern understanding of homosexuality and sexuality in general, I don't see how homosexuality can reasonably be considered a negative thing. Propositions that it's something to guard against, or strive away from, or evil, or against god, aren't founded on anything reasonable.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
So how does this apply to homosexuality, you ask. Many Christians claim that homosexuality is a choice while LGBT individuals often describe it as more of an inheirent aspect of their nature, genetic even. I suggest that perhaps a LGB gene could exist. Perhaps its part of that individual's uniquely designed temptations.
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But today we know how bad it is for one to repress their own natural sexual urges and desires. So to be gay and choose to not have have sex can cause some mental and physiological health problems.
 
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Mellonhead

Member
My main goal in making this topic was getting a reasonable explanation from a Christian or Catholic as to why their God condemns gay's. But I cannot foresee such a reasonable answer.
 
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Greystone

Member
I don't hate gay people and I also have quite a liberal attitude towards sex so i don't think that I would be welcome in any churches or religous worship buildings. I sometimes go to church but I keep quite about my views about gays. I think that you are not considered a member of any faith unless you hate gay people.
 
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orcel

Amature Theologian
Greystone said:
. I think that you are not considered a member of any faith unless you hate gay people.
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Not true. As Christians we are expected to love everyone, even gay people. We're supposed to hate sin, but love the sinner. After all we are all sinners and there is no heirarchy of sin.
 
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orcel

Amature Theologian
Skwim said:
Gee, does having pride keep you from getting into heaven? Does gluttony? Acting on one's homosexual urges certainly does.
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Does pride or gluttony keep one from heaven, absolutly. Any and all sin, unconfessed is a barrior to salvation. You seem to be suggesting that homosexual activity is a worse sin, but there exists no heirarchy of sin. We are either perfect or we are not.

The Bible teaches that all are sinners, therefore we are all equally undeserving of salvation.
 
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Darius1121

Necromancer
orcel said:
Does pride or gluttony keep one from heaven, absolutly. Any and all sin, unconfessed is a barrior to salvation. You seem to be suggesting that homosexual activity is a worse sin, but there exists no heirarchy of sin. We are either perfect or we are not.

The Bible teaches that all are sinners, therefore we are all equally undeserving of salvation.
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Here in lies the problem.No one incarnated on earth can possibly be perfect.What makes you think that confessing sin will have any effect at all? After all,in Christianity it is said that God knows everything,thus would know about your supposed sin well in advance of you doing it.What confession seems to be to me is nothing more than a method of speaking of one's guilt to a supposedly spiritually superior person in order for this person to "absolve" you of your sin.However,how can a priest or religious authority absolve you of anything? What is so different about them to give them this power? After all,they are just as flawed as the rest of us. Seems to me that the only people who can relieve your burden of guilt is you.

As for sin,if it is a sin to have free will (which is claimed that Christianity accepts,but often is countered by the bible) then I'm a sinner by merely existing.Which is fine with me.As for homosexuality or any sexuality (straight,bi,gay,or lesbian), as far as i am concerned,it is not a problem.Everyone will seek to fulfill their basic desires in one way or another.As long as people chose not to harm others in doing so,i fail to see the problem.Btw ,I personally am straight,but i have friends of any different types of sexual orientation.I look at them as being people i care about,they do have different ideas and desires than i do,but then if everyone was exactly the same,there would be no reason to continue to exist.Bear in mind that this is my own opinion,feel free to decide for yourself.
 
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orcel

Amature Theologian
Darius1121 said:
Here in lies the problem.No one incarnated on earth can possibly be perfect.What makes you think that confessing sin will have any effect at all? After all,in Christianity it is said that God knows everything,thus would know about your supposed sin well in advance of you doing it.What confession seems to be to me is nothing more than a method of speaking of one's guilt to a supposedly spiritually superior person in order for this person to "absolve" you of your sin.However,how can a priest or religious authority absolve you of anything? What is so different about them to give them this power? After all,they are just as flawed as the rest of us. Seems to me that the only people who can relieve your burden of guilt is you.

As for sin,if it is a sin to have free will (which is claimed that Christianity accepts,but often is countered by the bible) then I'm a sinner by merely existing.Which is fine with me.As for homosexuality or any sexuality (straight,bi,gay,or lesbian), as far as i am concerned,it is not a problem.Everyone will seek to fulfill their basic desires in one way or another.As long as people chose not to harm others in doing so,i fail to see the problem.Btw ,I personally am straight,but i have friends of any different types of sexual orientation.I look at them as being people i care about,they do have different ideas and desires than i do,but then if everyone was exactly the same,there would be no reason to continue to exist.Bear in mind that this is my own opinion,feel free to decide for yourself.
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You have a few major misconceptions about Christian theology here...
1) Yes God knows everything, we confess our sins not to inform God, but to admit our guilt.
2) Yes no-one is perfect we confess our sins to remind us of our inperfections and need for God.
3) Spiritually Superior person? no way. All have sinned. eck the Catholic church child sex abuse scandle is proof enough that priests are not morally or spiritually superiour. We're all equally flawed.
3) The priest does not absolve us of sin. Only God can.
4) Nothing I do can undo a sin. As sinful, flawed perople everything we do is from that sinful and flawed state. hence we cannot achieve our own salvation.
5)Christianist does not claim free will as a sin. Rather the use of free will to choose sin is sinful. (IE just because I have a car I am not guilty of hit-and-run. I have to choose to flee an accident before I incure that sin.)
 
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