Let's talk about gay people.

[Mellonhead]

I am an openly bisexual person, for those of you that do not know, that means I am someone who enjoys sexual relations with both genders.

What do those of you who use this site think? Does anyone have an opinion on gay people. Or, if some of you think being both straight or gay is okay, but bi isn't be sure to say why.

And before someone says anything, I used to be straight, but changed my views and turned by. For those of you who didn't think it was (or at the very least can be) a choice, it is.

Anyway, let's hear whoever has an opinion on the subject, try to keep bigotry and ignorant remarks to a minimum, please and thank you.

 

[Engyo]

People are people, regardless of sexual orientation. I know or have known gay people, straight people, bi people, trans people and asexual people. They were and are all people. Some of them were lovely human beings and some of them were complete buttheads and many were somewhere in between, regardless of sexual orientation.

 

[Mellonhead]

People are people, regardless of sexual orientation. I know or have known gay people, straight people, bi people, trans people and asexual people. They were and are all people. Some of them were lovely human beings and some of them were complete buttheads and many were somewhere in between, regardless of sexual orientation.

Interesting, I like the humanistic point of view. Does anyone have a religious viewpoint on the matter? For the record I am an Atheist so it will be mostly for the purpose of a balance in argument.

 

[Magic Man]

I am an openly bisexual person, for those of you that do not know, that means I am someone who enjoys sexual relations with both genders.

What do those of you who use this site think? Does anyone have an opinion on gay people. Or, if some of you think being both straight or gay is okay, but bi isn't be sure to say why.

And before someone says anything, I used to be straight, but changed my views and turned by. For those of you who didn't think it was (or at the very least can be) a choice, it is.

Anyway, let's hear whoever has an opinion on the subject, try to keep bigotry and ignorant remarks to a minimum, please and thank you.

You'll find that on this site most people are very knowledgeable about the LGBT community and have no problem with it.

With that said, I'd challenge your claim that it's a choice. You can choose to allow yourself to act on your sexual desires, but you can't actually choose your sexuality. I never decided to be straight, and I can't choose to be turned on by men. I'm simply not attracted to them.

 

[Mellonhead]

You'll find that on this site most people are very knowledgeable about the LGBT community and have no problem with it.

With that said, I'd challenge your claim that it's a choice. You can choose to allow yourself to act on your sexual desires, but you can't actually choose your sexuality. I never decided to be straight, and I can't choose to be turned on by men. I'm simply not attracted to them.

I also said it can be a choice (emphasis on the can, not is). Given proper knowledge on the subject, and once past all the eww the same sex is icky nonsense, I am willing to wager most of the population could turn bi. Given it's not likely that many people know that much about a given topic, but I certainly don't think it's a chemical imbalance, especially considering they have yet to find one linking to the subject.

 

[Skwim]

I also said it can be a choice (emphasis on the can, not is). Given proper knowledge on the subject, and once past all the eww the same sex is icky nonsense, I am willing to wager most of the population could turn bi. Given it's not likely that many people know that much about a given topic, but I certainly don't think it's a chemical imbalance, especially considering they have yet to find one linking to the subject.

I agree with mball1297. You didn't choose to be attracted to both sexes. What you did choose was to recognize and act on it.

 

[orcel]

All right I might as well chime in with the Christian / Religious perspective. As many Christians will tell you the Bible is rather specific about LGB actions as sin. What many Christians do not talk much about is that the Bible does not address the desire or impulse, at least not as directly.

Personally I look at the Book of Job to consider the subject, (not the most commonly referenced books for homosexual disussion, but consider my argument). Now most people who have read or know the story of Job think its about God testing Job's faith despite hardships. Another interpretation assumes that Job was written specifically to denounce the ancient concept that bad events that happen are God punishing bad people and good things happening to sombody must mean that God approves of that person. I agree that both of these positions are part of but not necessarily the entire point of Job. I think its about the trials, the temptations and the tribulations that each one of us face.

Job was obviously tempted to turn his back on God, His tribulations were immense (his crops, his wealth, his family and even his health were all taken away from him). But Job did not faulter. He never rejected God despite the hardships. I suggest God, being all knowing knew Job could handle the situation. I suggest that Job reassures us that we will never be tested beyond that which with God's help we cannot overcome. Further Job was tested quite extremely, but as far we we know his neighbors were not, and I (knock on wood) have not been tested to that extreme. So we find that our temptations and tribulations are specifically designed to each of us.

So how does this apply to homosexuality, you ask. Many Christians claim that homosexuality is a choice while LGBT individuals often describe it as more of an inheirent aspect of their nature, genetic even. I suggest that perhaps a LGB gene could exist. Perhaps its part of that individual's uniquely designed temptations.

IE perhaps (person A) was born with a predesposition towards homosexuality and that tempation is exctly that a temptation to resist.

Personally I'm glad God did not choose me for that specific tribulation. I'm busy enough fighting my own temptations.

 

[Skwim]

All right I might as well chime in with the Christian / Religious perspective. As many Christians will tell you the Bible is rather specific about LGB actions as sin. What many Christians do not talk much about is that the Bible does not address the desire or impulse, at least not as directly.

Personally I look at the Book of Job to consider the subject, (not the most commonly referenced books for homosexual disussion, but consider my argument). Now most people who have read or know the story of Job think its about God testing Job's faith despite hardships. Another interpretation assumes that Job was written specifically to denounce the ancient concept that bad events that happen are God punishing bad people and good things happening to sombody must mean that God approves of that person. I agree that both of these positions are part of but not necessarily the entire point of Job. I think its about the trials, the temptations and the tribulations that each one of us face.

Job was obviously tempted to turn his back on God, His tribulations were immense (his crops, his wealth, his family and even his health were all taken away from him). But Job did not faulter. He never rejected God despite the hardships. I suggest God, being all knowing knew Job could handle the situation. I suggest that Job reassures us that we will never be tested beyond that which with God's help we cannot overcome. Further Job was tested quite extremely, but as far we we know his neighbors were not, and I (knock on wood) have not been tested to that extreme. So we find that our temptations and tribulations are specifically designed to each of us.

So how does this apply to homosexuality, you ask. Many Christians claim that homosexuality is a choice while LGBT individuals often describe it as more of an inheirent aspect of their nature, genetic even. I suggest that perhaps a LGB gene could exist. Perhaps its part of that individual's uniquely designed temptations.

IE perhaps (person A) was born with a predesposition towards homosexuality and that tempation is exctly that a temptation to resist.

Personally I'm glad God did not choose me for that specific tribulation. I'm busy enough fighting my own temptations.

So anything other than pure heterosexuality amounts to a sexual burden devised by god to test the one's worthiness to "inherit the kingdom of God." How nice of him. Makes one wonder what they did in their previous life to warrant such a millstone.

 

[Mellonhead]

All right I might as well chime in with the Christian / Religious perspective. As many Christians will tell you the Bible is rather specific about LGB actions as sin. What many Christians do not talk much about is that the Bible does not address the desire or impulse, at least not as directly.

Personally I look at the Book of Job to consider the subject, (not the most commonly referenced books for homosexual disussion, but consider my argument). Now most people who have read or know the story of Job think its about God testing Job's faith despite hardships. Another interpretation assumes that Job was written specifically to denounce the ancient concept that bad events that happen are God punishing bad people and good things happening to sombody must mean that God approves of that person. I agree that both of these positions are part of but not necessarily the entire point of Job. I think its about the trials, the temptations and the tribulations that each one of us face.

Job was obviously tempted to turn his back on God, His tribulations were immense (his crops, his wealth, his family and even his health were all taken away from him). But Job did not faulter. He never rejected God despite the hardships. I suggest God, being all knowing knew Job could handle the situation. I suggest that Job reassures us that we will never be tested beyond that which with God's help we cannot overcome. Further Job was tested quite extremely, but as far we we know his neighbors were not, and I (knock on wood) have not been tested to that extreme. So we find that our temptations and tribulations are specifically designed to each of us.

So how does this apply to homosexuality, you ask. Many Christians claim that homosexuality is a choice while LGBT individuals often describe it as more of an inheirent aspect of their nature, genetic even. I suggest that perhaps a LGB gene could exist. Perhaps its part of that individual's uniquely designed temptations.

IE perhaps (person A) was born with a predesposition towards homosexuality and that tempation is exctly that a temptation to resist.

Personally I'm glad God did not choose me for that specific tribulation. I'm busy enough fighting my own temptations.

That's lovely and all, but why exactly is homosexuality something that should be resisted?

And those that say it isn't a choice should start supplying some proof, I know I claimed that there is no gene that is linked to such a thing, but I did my research before saying so. Knowledge on the subject of sex played a much larger role in my bi status then any urges, before I found the thought of having sex with another male repulsive, but now that I see nothing wrong with it, I find the aspect quite similar to that with a woman. When sex is not being done for the purpose of making a baby, the only goal is mutual enjoyment. Even If I were a religious man, I see nothing wrong with doing something that is enjoyable, as long as it isn't harming anyone. Also, "because God says so" is a load of ********, I wouldn't take it from my parents who I know created me, I certainly wouldn't take it from some guy I've only heard thousand year old stories about. No offense to those of you who follow the faith, this isn't me bashing you, it's my own personal opinion.

 

[lunakilo]

And before someone says anything, I used to be straight, but changed my views and turned by. For those of you who didn't think it was (or at the very least can be) a choice, it is.

I am puzzled by this to.

Could you elaborate on this?

How can you choose the attracted to be attracted to someone of the same sex as yourself? I mean either you are atracted to somone or you are not.

 

[orcel]

Also, "because God says so" is a load of ********, I wouldn't take it from my parents who I know created me, I certainly wouldn't take it from some guy I've only heard thousand year old stories about. No offense to those of you who follow the faith, this isn't me bashing you, it's my own personal opinion.

Sorry, but didn't you specifically ask for the religious opinion. Did you ask just to rant about you opinion of "God says so" ?

 

[Skwim]

That's lovely and all, but why exactly is homosexuality something that should be resisted?

And those that say it isn't a choice should start supplying some proof, I know I claimed that there is no gene that is linked to such a thing, but I did my research before saying so. Knowledge on the subject of sex played a much larger role in my bi status then any urges, before I found the thought of having sex with another male repulsive, but now that I see nothing wrong with it, I find the aspect quite similar to that with a woman.

And why did you "find the aspect quite similar to that with a woman." Did you, in effect, sit down and weigh the pros and cons of being attracted to males, let it simmer for awhile, and then ultimately say to your self, "Yeah, tomorrow I'm going get bread and pop at the store, fill up the car with gas, and start being sexually attracted to men"?

 

[Mellonhead]

I am puzzled by this to.

Could you elaborate on this?

How can you choose the attracted to be attracted to someone of the same sex as yourself? I mean either you are atracted to somone or you are not.

Sure. I forgot this may be of some importance, but my libido isn't exactly very high. I don't enjoy acts such as those which need not be explained for the sake of the children (=P) as much as the next guy maybe, so I'm not normally very attracted to anyone, physically. Now, while I do have standards, they are pretty low, what I do have is an attraction to personality, once I get to know someone decently well, I see if there is any common ground on our interests, and if it comes to it, sexual interests. So, before I even want to have sex with someone, I first want to know them at least fairly well. You could say I judge people not on there gender, but solely on personality. I find it much easier, and a lot less painful in the end, plus I get along with guys better, though I do appreciate the aesthetic beauty of some woman, usually in a non-sexual way though. It's really a confliction of interests that cannot be settled by any one person I've met, which is why i never plan on settling down with anyone.

 

[orcel]

So anything other than pure heterosexuality amounts to a sexual burden devised by god to test the one's worthiness to "inherit the kingdom of God."

How nice of him. Makes one wonder what they did in their previous life to warrant such a millstone.[/quote]

That's an oversimplification of the position designed to inflame. We are all tasked with tribulations and tempations to overcome, perhaps for some of us its homosexuality, and perhaps for others its pride, or glutney. I am suggesting that never are we tempted beyound that which we can (with God help) overcome.

 

[Mellonhead]

How nice of him. Makes one wonder what they did in their previous life to warrant such a millstone.

That's an oversimplification of the position designed to inflame. We are all tasked with tribulations and tempations to overcome, perhaps for some of us its homosexuality, and perhaps for others its pride, or glutney. I am suggesting that never are we tempted beyound that which we can (with God help) overcome.[/QUOTE]

Again, I ask what exactly is there about homosexuality to overcome? Please, do explain.

"And why did you "find the aspect quite similar to that with a woman." Did you, in effect, sit down and weigh the pros and cons of being attracted to males, let it simmer for awhile, and then ultimately say to your self, "Yeah, tomorrow I'm going get bread and pop at the store, fill up the car with gas, and start being sexually attracted to men"?"

In a sense, yes, I'm not really madly attracted to anyone sexually, so the transition was a simple one. It has actually allowed me to be more open with myself, and while if I ever plan to settle down it will be with it will be with a woman, I still enjoy the company of other men at times, I really don't see what's so complicated. maybe other people have different sorts of will power, but for me it's something that I could decide. It was not an urge, just after uncovering all the lies for why it was supposedly wrong, it seemed like it was a practical way to have sex, which is enjoyable. Why be picky?

 

[Mellonhead]

Sorry, but didn't you specifically ask for the religious opinion. Did you ask just to rant about you opinion of "God says so" ?

If God says something, that's fine, but if he's so knowledgeable and powerful i expect a better reason then "cause I said so."
Honestly it's like you're okay with being treated like a child, if someone gives you an order, you should at least expect a reason if one is needed, such as this situation. Why would a kind God hate gay people?

 

[Skwim]

That's an oversimplification of the position designed to inflame.

Well I'd be inflamed if I found out god had saddled me with a sexual orientation I wasn't allowed to express just because, and for no other reason than that.

We are all tasked with tribulations and tempations to overcome, perhaps for some of us its homosexuality, and perhaps for others its pride, or glutney.

Gee, does having pride keep you from getting into heaven? Does gluttony? Acting on one's homosexual urges certainly does.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (GOD’S WORD Translation)
9Don’t you know that wicked people won’t inherit the kingdom of God? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals, 10or thieves, those who are greedy or drunk, who use abusive language, or who rob people will not inherit the kingdom of God. 11That’s what some of you were! But you have been washed and made holy, and you have received God’s approval in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Jude 1:7 (GOD’S WORD Translation)
7What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them is an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of these cities suffered the same fate that God’s people and the angels did, because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual activities.
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Then there's the whole question of fairness. Heck, even in our personal interactions we usually try to be fair. While we may fail from time to time, a being as powerful as god should be able to fair all the time. If I'm saddled with a temptation it should be no less or greater than everyone else's; everyone tempted equally. But is this how it works? Not on your tintype. God is unfair because . . . . . . . You tell me.

I am suggesting that never are we tempted beyound that which we can (with God help) overcome.

And yet god has tempted very devote, prayerful people who have failed to overcome their temptations. The Rev. Paul Barnes of Grace Chapel in Douglas County Colorado is a "fallen evangelical minister" who preached that homosexuality was a sin but grappled with a hidden life of homosexuality since he was five. He resigned his pulpit.
Then, of course, there's Ted Haggard who said he was a “deceiver and liar,” who had given in to his dark side, and confessed to homosexual immorality. Think these "good" people of god never appealed for god's help to overcome their temptations? Haggard said he did. So your suggestion is rejected.

 

[Penumbra]

What do those of you who use this site think? Does anyone have an opinion on gay people. Or, if some of you think being both straight or gay is okay, but bi isn't be sure to say why.

I have no opinion on LGBT people based on their LGBT aspect alone- I have an opinion on people in general for other reasons (like their personality, for instance).

All right I might as well chime in with the Christian / Religious perspective. As many Christians will tell you the Bible is rather specific about LGB actions as sin. What many Christians do not talk much about is that the Bible does not address the desire or impulse, at least not as directly.

Personally I look at the Book of Job to consider the subject, (not the most commonly referenced books for homosexual disussion, but consider my argument). Now most people who have read or know the story of Job think its about God testing Job's faith despite hardships. Another interpretation assumes that Job was written specifically to denounce the ancient concept that bad events that happen are God punishing bad people and good things happening to sombody must mean that God approves of that person. I agree that both of these positions are part of but not necessarily the entire point of Job. I think its about the trials, the temptations and the tribulations that each one of us face.

Job was obviously tempted to turn his back on God, His tribulations were immense (his crops, his wealth, his family and even his health were all taken away from him). But Job did not faulter. He never rejected God despite the hardships. I suggest God, being all knowing knew Job could handle the situation. I suggest that Job reassures us that we will never be tested beyond that which with God's help we cannot overcome. Further Job was tested quite extremely, but as far we we know his neighbors were not, and I (knock on wood) have not been tested to that extreme. So we find that our temptations and tribulations are specifically designed to each of us.

So how does this apply to homosexuality, you ask. Many Christians claim that homosexuality is a choice while LGBT individuals often describe it as more of an inheirent aspect of their nature, genetic even. I suggest that perhaps a LGB gene could exist. Perhaps its part of that individual's uniquely designed temptations.

IE perhaps (person A) was born with a predesposition towards homosexuality and that tempation is exctly that a temptation to resist.

Personally I'm glad God did not choose me for that specific tribulation. I'm busy enough fighting my own temptations.

What if it turned out that homosexuality was put in place as a test by god not to test homosexuals, but to test heterosexual people's reaction towards it?

 

[lunakilo]

Sure. I forgot this may be of some importance, but my libido isn't exactly very high. I don't enjoy acts such as those which need not be explained for the sake of the children (=P) as much as the next guy maybe, so I'm not normally very attracted to anyone, physically. Now, while I do have standards, they are pretty low, what I do have is an attraction to personality, once I get to know someone decently well, I see if there is any common ground on our interests, and if it comes to it, sexual interests. So, before I even want to have sex with someone, I first want to know them at least fairly well. You could say I judge people not on there gender, but solely on personality. I find it much easier, and a lot less painful in the end, plus I get along with guys better, though I do appreciate the aesthetic beauty of some woman, usually in a non-sexual way though.

I still don't see how being gay/straight/bisexual could be a choice.
Having sex with someone is a choice (or should be at least )
But you don't choose if you want to have sex with someone.

As for the OP...
My opinion on this topic is that as long as all the people involved are ok with what happenes, you can do what ever you want. If you want to have sex with 3 women, 3 men and a hermaphrodite, all at the same time while standing on your head, then fine by me, as long as all eight of you agree that that is what you want to do. But make sure that you agree on whether it is going to be a recurring phenomenon or not.

It's really a confliction of interests that cannot be settled by any one person I've met, which is why i never plan on settling down with anyone.

How old are you? Sex in nice, love is better.
If you find the one and only then what you have planned dosn't matter.

 

[Mellonhead]

@Virtue: That is a very interesting and fresh outlook on things, could you elaborate more?