Is Swine Prohibited for Christians?

Egyptian Phoenix said:

Paul actually said in Romans that Jewish Christians should continue in keeping kosher, and Gentile Christians shouldn't be bound by kosher, because both are following their consciences toward God.

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this is correct.

It does not matter to God if one chooses to eat pork and another chooses to abstain. We are all free to make that choice for ourselves. God is not testing anyone or enforcing dietary laws on anyone...the evidence came from the fact that he was giving holy spirit to gentiles who readily ate all sorts of foods.

the only requirement on Gods part was that people exercise faith in his Son.

Hodad said:

Swine is not food for Christians. A careful study of the scriptures would prove this out. No where are the dietary laws done away with. One doen't even need to go to the Greek origianly used, you only need to keep verses in context.

Col 2. The discussion isn't about pork or beef, it's about beef offered to idols. Paul was a Jew, a Pharisee at that, and swine would never have been considered food.

I can easily show anyone this who is willing to believe what the scriptures teach and not just repeat what they have been taught.

And for the record, it really isn't Jewish law (that would be something the Rabbis would tell their followers to do - like don't eat meat and dairy together), is was God's instructions to His people Israel (made up of Jews and Gentiles then as now).

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Have you considered why Noah was given permission to eat 'ALL' foods?

“Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.”—Ge 9:3, 4.

OK, I'm home from work and can get off my phone. There were 2 post I saw before getting off my phone, one from pegg (I believe) bringing up Acts 10 and the other asking if I considered Noah.

Let me start with Noah. If Noah and his family could eat just any old meat and decided to have a big ol' ham dinner, and he only having two pigs with him, do you think you could be having ham today? Think maybe there was a reason he was told to bring 7 pairs of clean animals? I don't believe people ate meat before the flood (God's people anyway) only fruit and grain had been given to them to eat (read Genesis).

Acts 10...the simplest way to address this is Peter understood this vision to be about people. Why do we today think we can understand HIS vision better the he did? Anyway, let's look at the vision and see what we can see...
Acts 10:11 And he saw the heaven opened and a certain vessel like a sheet coming down to him, being bound at the four corners and let down to the earth;
Acts 10:12 in which were all the four-footed animals of the earth, and the wild beasts, and the reptiles, and the birds of the heaven.
Acts 10:13 And a voice came to him, saying, Rise, Peter! Kill and eat!
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.

So, the sheet comes down with clean and unclean animals. God saves kill (slaughter actually - this would have been a ritual slaughter and there for no unclean animal would have been used, but well over look this) and eat.

Peter says 'No way,I've never eaten anything common or unclean'.

And God (or the voice) says 'what God has cleansed don't call common'.

Notice that Peter used two different words(common and unclean) and God only addresses on of the words (common). Could there be a reason for this?

If we were all sitting in the same room having this discussion and I pulled out an apple (clean food by the way) that I had just washed, set it down, turned my back to retrieve a knife to cut it with,turned back around and saw all of you passing it around from one to another, I might call it common (unfit to eat) and have to rewash it before calling it clean again, and eating it.

If on the other hand it was a ham sandwich, it would be unclean no matter what I did to it.

So common is something that man declares to be not fit to eat and unclean is what God declares unfit to eat. And which one did God tell Peter had been cleansed by Him? The common.

Jews of that day believed they alone were clean, they could become defiled (common), and if the did become defiled, they could get themselves clean again. However Gentiles were unclean, and the only hope for them to get cleaned up was to become Jewish. God was teaching Peter that He had created all men the same, and what He had cleansed (the Gentiles) he was not to call unclean.

OK, let me now go to the person most Christians turn to last, Jesus. I'll save Paul for last because he is more complicated, as Peter tells us 2 Peter 3:15 And think of the long-suffering of our Lord as salvation (as our beloved brother Paul also has written to you according to the wisdom given to him
2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction).

Before I post this, let me point out an irony to everyone. It was this very topic that changed my view on food and the Law as a whole. I was trying to prove we, as Christians, could eat pork and were no longer under the dietary code that convinced me from scripture we were wrong.

Anyway, the most important commandment according to Jesus is You shall love the Lord your God with all....(you know the rest). If we love our Father, why do we try so hard to not do what He asks. If for no other reason then respect, let alone the price He paid for us?

The most common verses used, to say we can eat what ever we want, by Jesus are Matthew 15:20, Mark 7:2, 5

Here is Matthew in context...



Matthew 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying,

Matthew 15:2 Why do your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.
Matthew 15:3 But He answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:4 For God commanded, saying, "Honor your father and mother"; and, "He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him die by death."
Matthew 15:5 But you say, Whoever says to his father or mother, Whatever you would gain from me, It is a gift to God;
Matthew 15:6 and in no way he honors his father or his mother. And you voided the commandment of God by your tradition.
Matthew 15:7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
Matthew 15:8 "This people draws near to Me with their mouth, and honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Matthew 15:10 And He called the crowd and said to them, Hear and understand.
Matthew 15:11 Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.
Matthew 15:12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?
Matthew 15:13 But He answered and said, Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted shall be rooted up.
Matthew 15:14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Matthew 15:15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, Explain this parable to us.
Matthew 15:16 And Jesus said, Are you also still without understanding?
Matthew 15:17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters in at the mouth goes into the belly, and is cast out into the waste-bowl?
Matthew 15:18 But the things which come out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile the man.
Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies;
Matthew 15:20 these are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.


Keeping this all in context, it was about eating with unwashed hands. It wasn't about WHAT they were eating but HOW they were eating. Jesus went on to condemn them for placing their teachings and traditions above the commandments. Jesus being a Torah observant Jew would only consider those foods God said were OK to eat as food, and would never have eaten anything else.
I'd like to leave you with one last thing from Jesus.
Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Matthew 5:18 For truly I say to you, Till the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the law until all is fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Therefore whoever shall break one of these commandments, the least, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. But whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.

Heaven and earth are still around, and there are still are things that haven't happened yet, so the whole law is still in tact.

Also notice that this isn't a salvation issue, it is an obedience issue. Those who teach that even the smallest part of the law has been done away with appear to be in heaven. They are just called the least. Why aim so low?

this is correct.

It does not matter to God if one chooses to eat pork and another chooses to abstain. We are all free to make that choice for ourselves. God is not testing anyone or enforcing dietary laws on anyone...the evidence came from the fact that he was giving holy spirit to gentiles who readily ate all sorts of foods.

the only requirement on Gods part was that people exercise faith in his Son.

Hmmmmm. If God is a just God, why was it wrong once, but not now? Did He change His mind like men do? Is He not the same yesterday, today and forever?

What was sin then is sin now. What? We have been forgiven our sins, we live under grace now (they did back then also). Oh, so because we are under grace it is OK to sin all we want (I think someone once said something along these lines didn't they?)

The Holy Spirit was given to Gentiles who believed God sent Jesus as the Messiah and forgave their sins of eating all sorts of food. Using the logic you put forward, would it be OK for murders who receive Christ and the Holy Spirit to keep on killing? How about drunkards, adulterers? Any sinner for that matter.

If you do a study on faith, you'll find it is more than just mental, it also is doing (a verb so to speak). Where does Jesus tell us we can do as we please?

Friends of ours are Seven Day Adventists and they do have dietary laws; one of these dietary laws is against eating of pork. They also, as most of you know, observe Saturday as the sabbath. For further information see:
Seven Day Adventists

Its interesting to see what Jesus view of the matter was:

Matthew 15:1 Then there came to Jesus from Jerusalem Pharisees and scribes, saying: 2 “Why is it your disciples overstep the tradition of the men of former times? For example, they do not wash their hands when about to eat a meal.”... 10 With that he called the crowd near and said to them: “Listen and get the sense of it: 11 Not what enters into [his] mouth defiles a man; but it is what proceeds out of [his] mouth that defiles a man.”

Even though Jesus obeyed the mosaic laws dietry restrictions, he did not believe that what we put into our mouths defiles us. Sin is something we do from the heart and there is nothing physical about sin... so eating a certain food is not a sin. If certain meats were truly a sin, then God would not have given Noah permission to eat all sorts of animals.

Hi Pegg

So either you missed my post above, or you prefer to take this verse out of context and that's OK.

If you look at Jesus' life, He kept the Torah, but not all of the traditions (Oral Torah) of the Jews. Why is that?

He did what the Jewish authorities believed was work on the Sabbath. Does this mean we can violate the Sabbath? NO! Did He eat just anything? NO! Why? Because He had to live a life without sin.

If you really dig long enough, you'll find there is no prescribed punishment for eating foods not on the approved (according to God) list for God people. So while what Jesus teaches (nothing going in...) is true, and there is no prescribed punishment for eating pork, shellfish, etc., does that make it OK?

Like most things it is a matter of the heart.Eating something our Father tells us not to eat is a form of disobedience. We have also missed the mark set by the Torah. Both of which can be looked at as sin (an archery term meaning to miss the mark).

The motivation to keep the Torah and be obedient to God shouldn't be to gain favor with Him or become saved. We should do it out of respect for Him and because we are saved.

In other words, what comes out of out heart can defile us.

Hodad said:

Hi Pegg

So either you missed my post above, or you prefer to take this verse out of context and that's OK.

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no, its never ok to take something out of context deliberately. I believe Jesus words really do mean that 'nothing that enters the mouth defiles a man' are what he meant. If you look at the context, he was replying to a question posed to him about ritual washing of hands before eating as the mosaic law required. His reply shows that he did not believe it was a sin to not wash hands.

So what is he really saying? To eat without washing your hands was a requirement of the mosaic law, yet Jesus did not view it sinful to neglect that law.

Just as he did not view it sinful or defiling to put foods into the mouth that may have been banned by the mosaic law.

Hodad said:

The motivation to keep the Torah and be obedient to God shouldn't be to gain favor with Him or become saved. We should do it out of respect for Him and because we are saved.

In other words, what comes out of out heart can defile us.

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yes i totally agree

But tell me this, did Noah or Abraham or Jacob follow mosaic law? You know the answer to that question is no.... yet how is it that they were righteous before God?

Noah was not given any food as a restriction, all food was ok to eat and he was a righteous man before God. This is because if ones heart is right toward God, as all these men were, then there is nothing that can enter their mouth that can defile them.

Pegg said:

no, its never ok to take something out of context deliberately. I believe Jesus words really do mean that 'nothing that enters the mouth defiles a man' are what he meant. If you look at the context, he was replying to a question posed to him about ritual washing of hands before eating as the mosaic law required. His reply shows that he did not believe it was a sin to not wash hands.

So what is he really saying? To eat without washing your hands was a requirement of the mosaic law, yet Jesus did not view it sinful to neglect that law.

Just as he did not view it sinful or defiling to put foods into the mouth that may have been banned by the mosaic law.

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Mosaic Law does not require you to wash your hands before eating, this (as stated) was a tradition (Rabbinic (sic) law). To me the context is eating 'kosher' food that has become defiled through contact with dirty hands. And Jesus response is 'eating defiled kosher food won't corrupt the person eating it.

I my mind, to say that this applies to all food is the same as saying "You know what, God was wrong telling you to eat only certain foods, He's changed His mind, He really wasn't thinking when He directed His people to do that. I'll keep eating kosher because I need to live a sinless life while I'm here, but you can go ahead and do what ever you want after I'm gone."

Pegg said:

But tell me this, did Noah or Abraham or Jacob follow mosaic law? You know the answer to that question is no.... yet how is it that they were righteous before God?

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How is it Noah knew clean animals from unclean animals? How is it that Cain and Able appear to offering up first fruits to Yahweh? Moses hadn't given them the Law, but I don't know that Yahweh hadn't given it to, oh say maybe Adam, who had passed it on down. I just don't have a good answer. I have to guess seeing as how there are no existing records.

Pegg said:

Noah was not given any food as a restriction, all food was ok to eat and he was a righteous man before God.

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Was it here, or in another topic, that I posted it was a good thing he and his family didn't decide to have a big sit down dinner with baked honey glazed ham and corn bread...seeing as how there were only two pigs. But then again, if they had, we couldn't have the conversation.

Pegg said:

This is because if ones heart is right toward God, as all these men were, then there is nothing that can enter their mouth that can defile them.

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So Jesus could have ignored the Torah and had a catfish dinner? Where does it stop when you start deciding "God my have said this and that then, but that doesn't apply to me/us"?

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Hodad said:

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I my mind, to say that this applies to all food is the same as saying "You know what, God was wrong telling you to eat only certain foods, He's changed His mind, He really wasn't thinking when He directed His people to do that. I'll keep eating kosher because I need to live a sinless life while I'm here, but you can go ahead and do what ever you want after I'm gone."

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this is why I asked about Noah and the law given to him about all food being available to him to eat. It was moses who was writing the story, so if moses was being directed to write about dietry restrictions, surely he would have mentioned if Noah had been given those dietry restrictions as it would have added weight to the new laws the hebrews were being given.

if they weren't really new laws for the hebrews, then they would not have even needed to be given in the first place because all the hebrews would have already been following them as Noah would have been. But for some reason, Moses needed to specify which foods were clean and which were unclean for eating.

Hodad said:

How is it Noah knew clean animals from unclean animals? How is it that Cain and Able appear to offering up first fruits to Yahweh? Moses hadn't given them the Law, but I don't know that Yahweh hadn't given it to, oh say maybe Adam, who had passed it on down. I just don't have a good answer. I have to guess seeing as how there are no existing records.

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it seems that the instructions for Noah about clean and unclean animals had more to do with what was acceptable as a sacrifice rather then what was acceptable for eating. Remember that before the flood, people werent eating meat...it was only after getting out of the ark that God gave permission to eat animals. And the animals that he sacrificed on the alter were of the 'clean' animals.

Hodad said:

Was it here, or in another topic, that I posted it was a good thing he and his family didn't decide to have a big sit down dinner with baked honey glazed ham and corn bread...seeing as how there were only two pigs. But then again, if they had, we couldn't have the conversation.

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im guessing that after 1 year in the ark, those two pigs would surely have had at least 2 litters. The reproduction cycle for a pig is 145 days from coming into season to weaning the young. So being on the ark for a full 365 days means those two pigs could have turned into 30 pigs by the time of coming out of the ark.

Pegg said:

this is why I asked about Noah and the law given to him about all food being available to him to eat. It was moses who was writing the story, so if moses was being directed to write about dietry restrictions, surely he would have mentioned if Noah had been given those dietry restrictions as it would have added weight to the new laws the hebrews were being given.

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Yes, maybe Moses would have said something, maybe not. This was a few years before he came on the seen, and maybe the whole story of everything wasn't passed on to Moses. Maybe being an old man who felt his years were numbered, he started writing down those things he felt most important and died before he got the rest written down.

Pegg said:

if they weren't really new laws for the hebrews, then they would not have even needed to be given in the first place because all the hebrews would have already been following them as Noah would have been. But for some reason, Moses needed to specify which foods were clean and which were unclean for eating.

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Funny how much one can forget when one is a captive slave for generations. Have you ever read the story of when the Hebrews return to the Temple, found the scrolls, found out they weren't doing everything they were supposed to be doing, and had the scrolls read out loud for everyone?

Pegg said:

it seems that the instructions for Noah about clean and unclean animals had more to do with what was acceptable as a sacrifice rather then what was acceptable for eating. Remember that before the flood, people werent eating meat...it was only after getting out of the ark that God gave permission to eat animals. And the animals that he sacrificed on the alter were of the 'clean' animals.

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I not sure if people weren't eating animals or not. Noah and his family weren't. May this is one of the many reason Yah was so up with the world.

I agree that the clean animals were for sacrifice. It is recorded that Noah preformed 1 sacrifice at the time he disembarked. That would leave six other pairs. Noah was given permission to eat animal flesh because there was nothing else to eat after the flood (other than what they might have left on their stores.

Pegg said:

im guessing that after 1 year in the ark, those two pigs would surely have had at least 2 litters. The reproduction cycle for a pig is 145 days from coming into season to weaning the young. So being on the ark for a full 365 days means those two pigs could have turned into 30 pigs by the time of coming out of the ark.

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How did Noah feed all the extra animals if the were breeding and have young the whole time? He was to to take enough food for the animals he was bringing on the ark. Heck rabbits alone would have eaten them out of house and ark if the were having broods of little ones the whole time.

One last thing I'd like to add. Let's say the clean and unclean animals was a new law. It is a law none the less. One given by God to his children. As I grew up, the rules changed for me. Old ones were not done away with, but new ones were added. Like a contract, you add new clauses to it, but that doesn't do away the the original contract. Look at our constitution of here. We have added amendments to it but the original main body hasn't changed. A covenant is just another word for a contract. God may be adding to it over the years, but He has yet to do away with it.

jojo50 said:

as i've shown with many scriptures, the Mosaic Law,was for the Israelites. until Jesus came and fulfilled his Father's will. we are NOT required to follow those laws. many still follow some,but NOT all of those laws which would make in then invalid.

alone with the scripture Smoke posted,here's another one...
Eating certain foods--1Tim.4:3-5 , Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.( any meats and sea food can be eaten, make sure you pray over it and give thanks).God made everything clean! peace

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So all we have to do is pray and give thanks before we eat a rack of "human" baby back ribs and it's ok with God?

Pegg said:

it was the Apostle Peter who was given a vision in which God laid out a table of 'unclean' foods (according to the jewish law) and told him to eat them. Peter at first objects to eating the unclean foods but God tells him “Rise, Peter, slaughter and eat!...Stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.” (Acts 10:9-16)

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Let's put this in its proper context. Notice how Peter replied:


Peter was well aware of the law of clean and unclean meats.

Christ replied:


Verses 17-28 tell the story of how three men were sent from Cornelius (a God fearing Gentile) to find Peter because an angel advised Cornelius to do so. Notice what Peter concluded about the vision:


Peter now realizes the vision had nothing to do with eating anything unclean or common but everything to do with God breaking down the barrier between Jew and Gentile and making salvation available to all! For the clincher, Peter retells the story of his vision to the apostles and the brethren in the very next chapter vs 1. And what did the rest of the apostles and brethren think of Peter's story----that God has lifted restrictions on what they can and cannot eat? A resounding no!...here's what they concluded:

Pegg said:

Many seem to think that Paul created his own theology, But Paul was taught by Peter so this is why Paul teaches that all foods are clean. He was repeating what he had learned.

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The laws of clean and unclean meats are as binding on Christians today as they were in Peter's day. If taken in the proper context, no where does Paul, Peter or anyone else state it has been abolished. If anything, the example above implies continuation not extermination of this law.

forbidden from many things was for the tribes of Israel,it was the laws of Moses.which was approved by Jehovah God, of course Jehovah's laws,(his commandments),were included. they were so used to following only the laws of Eygpt,God knew they needed some righteous laws. they also had to do animal sacrifices,because no imperfect human's prayer would get to Jehovah. we were born through sin,this is why NOW we don't have to sacrifice animals,(the government wouldn't allow it anyway).

Jesus death made it where human's didn't have to follow certains laws,which also included worship on the sabbath,(Jehovah's law),(Colo.2:16,17- Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ). baically if we truely try to serve Jehovah,as Jesus did,(John 5:30 -I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me).

we would understand what he meant when he said at (luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself). by obeying these two laws,we would try our best to obey Jehovah,as Jesus did. and wouldn't do anything to hurt another human.

Jesus death brought back,what was once removed,everlasting life. also the Israelites had so many laws to follow,being imperfect. they found themselves breaking many, sometimes,not on purpose,it was like a curse to them. (Gal.3:13- Christ hath redeemed, ( 1 a: to buy back : repurchase b: to get or win back2: to free from what distresses or harms: as a: to free from captivity by payment of ransom),us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. (we’re free from the “law”),which included the eatting of certain food. also see...

Eating certain foods--1Tim.4:3-5 , Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.( any meats and sea foods can be eaten, make sure you pray over it and give thanks).God made everything clean!

it doesn't matter to Jehovah God,and his son Jesus what we eat,(unless it's another human). or what day we choose to worship him,(again the Israelites NEEDED some rigteous laws). what's more important to the God of the Israelites today for ALL.is to try and do his WILL taught by his son Jesus. IF,.. we want to be seen as Jesus Family,(Matt.12:50-For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother). peace

jojo50 said:

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forbidden from many things was for the tribes of Israel,it was the laws of Moses.which was approved by Jehovah God, of course Jehovah's laws,(his commandments),were included. they were so used to following only the laws of Eygpt,God knew they needed some righteous laws. they also had to do animal sacrifices,because no imperfect human's prayer would get to Jehovah. we were born through sin,this is why NOW we don't have to sacrifice animals,(the government wouldn't allow it anyway).

Jesus death made it where human's didn't have to follow certains laws,which also included worship on the sabbath,(Jehovah's law),(Colo.2:16,17- Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ). baically if we truely try to serve Jehovah,as Jesus did,(John 5:30 -I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me).

we would understand what he meant when he said at (luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself). by obeying these two laws,we would try our best to obey Jehovah,as Jesus did. and wouldn't do anything to hurt another human.

Jesus death brought back,what was once removed,everlasting life. also the Israelites had so many laws to follow,being imperfect. they found themselves breaking many, sometimes,not on purpose,it was like a curse to them. (Gal.3:13- Christ hath redeemed, ( 1 a: to buy back : repurchase b: to get or win back2: to free from what distresses or harms: as a: to free from captivity by payment of ransom),us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. (we’re free from the “law”),which included the eatting of certain food. also see...

Eating certain foods--1Tim.4:3-5 , Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.( any meats and sea foods can be eaten, make sure you pray over it and give thanks).God made everything clean!

it doesn't matter to Jehovah God,and his son Jesus what we eat,(unless it's another human). or what day we choose to worship him,(again the Israelites NEEDED some rigteous laws). what's more important to the God of the Israelites today for ALL.is to try and do his WILL taught by his son Jesus. IF,.. we want to be seen as Jesus Family,(Matt.12:50-For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother). peace

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Being this is not a debate thread, why don't you copy and paste this post in its own thread so I can address it?

jojo50 said:

forbidden from many things was for the tribes of Israel,it was the laws of Moses.which was approved by Jehovah God, of course Jehovah's laws,(his commandments),were included. they were so used to following only the laws of Eygpt,God knew they needed some righteous laws. they also had to do animal sacrifices,because no imperfect human's prayer would get to Jehovah. we were born through sin,this is why NOW we don't have to sacrifice animals,(the government wouldn't allow it anyway)

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The moral law, the ten commandments, as well as other laws have been in effect since creation. They were given by God to Adam (Gen 2:2-3; Mk 2:27)-- passed down to Noah--through the line of Shem--through Abraham (Gen 26:5) and on to Jacob. By the time of the Exodus, the Israelites had lost this knowledge and had to be reminded of these 10 basic principles at Sinai. The reason for the sacrifices, which btw were officially required of the Israelites almost a whole year after the Exodus, was because the 10 commandments were transgressed.

Since I perceive you are reluctant to start a new thread, I took the liberty of pointing you to several threads where your verses were discussed. Feel free to chime in.

jojo50 said:

Jesus death made it where human's didn't have to follow certains laws,which also included worship on the sabbath,(Jehovah's law),(Colo.2:16,17- Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ). baically if we truely try to serve Jehovah,as Jesus did,(John 5:30 -I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me).

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I discussed the issue of the Sabbath and Col 2:16-17 in length with Pegg here.

jojo50 said:

we would understand what he meant when he said at (luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself). by obeying these two laws,we would try our best to obey Jehovah,as Jesus did. and wouldn't do anything to hurt another human.

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This statement basically summarizes the Ten commandments. The first four tell us how to love God with all our soul, strength and mind. The last six describe how to love our neighbor as ourselves and these scriptures confirm it here

jojo50 said:

Jesus death brought back,what was once removed,everlasting life. also the Israelites had so many laws to follow,being imperfect. they found themselves breaking many, sometimes,not on purpose,it was like a curse to them. (Gal.3:13- Christ hath redeemed, ( 1 a to buy back repurchase b: to get or win back2: to free from what distresses or harms: as a: to free from captivity by payment of ransom),us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. (we’re free from the “law”),which included the eatting of certain food. also see...

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Galatians 3:13 has absolutely nothing to do with being free from obedience to God's Law: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2283586-post36.html

jojo50 said:

Eating certain foods--1Tim.4:3-5 , Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.( any meats and sea foods can be eaten, make sure you pray over it and give thanks).God made everything clean! it doesn't matter to Jehovah God,and his son Jesus what we eat,(unless it's another human)

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Think about it? The bible has no direct statement forbidding the consumption of human flesh yet there are plenty of passages which Christians correctly imply its forbiddance. On the other hand, there are direct "no-doubt-about-it" passages in Leviticus and Deuteronomy forbidding the consumption of certain foods yet Christians perform mental somersaults with these verses and dismiss them as non-applicable today---How insane! A rebuttal and proper context to this verse is provided here