Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

Bismillah said:

Look I will repeat it once more as plainly as I can put it. Auto was babbling about how Muslims inherited their religion.

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I don't think I said anything about anybody inheriting anything. What I said is, the great majority of Muslims (Christians, Jews, Mormons, Hindus, etc.) were raised in families and places that follow that religion, and we see that you are no exception. It's quite simply, a fact.

Do you honestly believe that if you were born into a Mormon family in Salt Lake City, Utah, that you would be Muslim today?

There are some exceptions, and one is when a religion invades and conquers a new territory, as Islam did.

These are all uncontroversial facts. I'm sorry they make you uncomfortable.

Jaiket said:

What is about Christianity that you believe makes it more plausible than Islam?

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Islam did nothing to correct my sin problem. Christianity did. In fact Christ removed my sin problem and nailed it to his cross. Muslims are still guilty before God. That is, according to the texts.

Meishere said:

Islam did nothing to correct my sin problem. Christianity did. In fact Christ removed my sin problem and nailed it to his cross. Muslims are still guilty before God. That is, according to the texts.

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As a matter of curiousity, where in the texts does it say that Muslims are "guilty before God" - any more so than yourself?

Autodidact said:

I don't think I said anything about anybody inheriting anything. What I said is, the great majority of Muslims (Christians, Jews, Mormons, Hindus, etc.) were raised in families and places that follow that religion, and we see that you are no exception. It's quite simply, a fact.

Do you honestly believe that if you were born into a Mormon family in Salt Lake City, Utah, that you would be Muslim today?

There are some exceptions, and one is when a religion invades and conquers a new territory, as Islam did.

These are all uncontroversial facts. I'm sorry they make you uncomfortable.

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That is true with atheism as well. Atheist parents are highly likely to produce atheist children. Even with all that free thinking.

Meishere said:

That is true with atheism as well. Atheist parents are highly likely to produce atheist children. Even with all that free thinking.

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Damn athiest breeders.

I should think that conservative evangelicals produce more atheist children than atheist parents.

angellous_evangellous said:

Damn athiest breeders.

I should think that conservative evangelicals produce more atheist children than atheist parents.

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Just sayin that it applies to all schools of belief

angellous_evangellous said:

As a matter of curiousity, where in the texts does it say that Muslims are "guilty before God" - any more so than yourself?

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Allah gives his people commands. If they break any of those, which unless they are perfect I', sure they have, then they are guilty. Guilty people cannot work away their guilt. They must pay a penalty for breaking the law. At least that is my experience with most judicial systems.

Meishere said:

That is true with atheism as well. Atheist parents are highly likely to produce atheist children. Even with all that free thinking.

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I think you will find a large percentage of atheists here were in fact raised in religious homes.

Meishere said:

Allah gives his people commands. If they break any of those, which unless they are perfect I', sure they have, then they are guilty. Guilty people cannot work away their guilt. They must pay a penalty for breaking the law. At least that is my experience with most judicial systems.

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this is true

where there are laws, there is a compulsion to obey.

But where there are no laws, the onus is on the believer to abide by Gods standards willingly from the heart. that is what Christianity offers and its why christianity is far superior to both Judaism and Islam.

The freedom to abide by Gods laws without the compulsion to do so makes it possible for mankind to serve God out of love rather then compulsion....incidentally, this is also how the new covenant is put into effect. The prophecy of Jeremiah becomes fulfilled "“I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it.” God can do this only to those who willingly submit to him. But there is not much willing submission when the person is preoccupied with following a list of regulations.

Pegg said:

this is true

where there are laws, there is a compulsion to obey.

But where there are no laws, the onus is on the believer to abide by Gods standards willingly from the heart. that is what Christianity offers and its why christianity is far superior to both Judaism and Islam.

The freedom to abide by Gods laws without the compulsion to do so makes it possible for mankind to serve God out of love rather then compulsion....incidentally, this is also how the new covenant is put into effect. The prophecy of Jeremiah becomes fulfilled "“I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it.” God can do this only to those who willingly submit to him. But there is not much willing submission when the person is preoccupied with following a list of regulations.

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I wouldn't say that Xy is "far superior" to Judaism or Islam. That's as much naive hubris as Bis was engaging in earlier. It is fundamentally different, precisely due to the Jesus Event that enacted grace.
But "superior?" Only from a subjective standpoint. Lots and lots and lots of Jews and Muslims would disagree with you on that point.

I don't think I said anything about anybody inheriting anything. What I said is, the great majority of Muslims (Christians, Jews, Mormons, Hindus, etc.) were raised in families and places that follow that religion, and we see that you are no exception. It's quite simply, a fact.

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No you have repeatedly asserted that a person follows their religion due to birth status, it's pretty simple don't try and backtrack.

Do you honestly believe that if you were born into a Mormon family in Salt Lake City, Utah, that you would be Muslim today?

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Maybe not today, but eventually yes. I've looked at many other religions none else interested me.

There are some exceptions, and one is when a religion invades and conquers a new territory, as Islam did.

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One would have to be idiotic to think that Islam conquered Mecca and Medina by its lonesome. The vast majority converted willingly because you see a lone Prophet, his wife and some beggars are not a large enough force to take the Arab world within a decade. This simple historical fact frustrates the crux of your argument, I understand you don't like that.

These are all uncontroversial facts. I'm sorry they make you uncomfortable.

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I haven't seen any "facts" but instead seen you ramble on about how I was born a Muslim and how religion is inherited while ignoring Islam's own history. The only thing you do is make me smile

sojourner said:

I wouldn't say that Xy is "far superior" to Judaism or Islam. That's as much naive hubris as Bis was engaging in earlier. It is fundamentally different, precisely due to the Jesus Event that enacted grace.
But "superior?" Only from a subjective standpoint. Lots and lots and lots of Jews and Muslims would disagree with you on that point.

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im sure they might disagree

but i still believe that, to have the freedom to express our willing submission to God, is far superior to being threatened with punishment for not obeying.

sojourner feel fry to tell me where exactly Islam is pro one culture

Islam is really plausible in everything.First, islam gives a logical explanation to the creation of the world,as it shows that this great design-earth, land, water, plants,galaxies,etc-was done by a great creator.This explanation is really plausible when knowing that the single cell is more complicated 5 times than a city like New york, while any person who is sane can't say New York was a matter of Coincidence.
Second, Islam recognizes all prophets -Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad-which means that Islam admits that other religions are from God, showing the unity of the source and the goal.
Third, islam, christianity and judism share the same principles except that it differs from christianity in refusing the concept of crucification and jesus's divinity- which is truely illogic,how can a god be killed and tortured by his weak slaves and is there another way for forgiveness rather than killing your son?!! and differs from Judism in refusing their stories about prophets (carrying a sexual taste) and refusing some of their provisions.
fourth, Qur'an carried great scietific breakthroughs inside it proving that it's from God
For example,
1.Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?(21/30): the great explosion theory
2.And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive Guidance.(21/31): it was also proven by modern science that mountains keep the stability of earth.
3.He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed.(13/2)
4.He has created the heavens and the earth with the truth; He makes the night cover the day and makes the day overtake the night, and He has made the sun and the moon subservient; each one runs on to an assigned term; now surely He is the Mighty, the great Forgiver(39/5)>>>actually the word in arabic is encircle the night over the day and the day over the night, so if the move in a circle each one running after the other, so the earth must be circular

there are many other sceitific findings in quran , I hope you find them logical

Pegg said:

this is true

where there are laws, there is a compulsion to obey.

But where there are no laws, the onus is on the believer to abide by Gods standards willingly from the heart. that is what Christianity offers and its why christianity is far superior to both Judaism and Islam.

The freedom to abide by Gods laws without the compulsion to do so makes it possible for mankind to serve God out of love rather then compulsion....incidentally, this is also how the new covenant is put into effect. The prophecy of Jeremiah becomes fulfilled "“I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it.” God can do this only to those who willingly submit to him. But there is not much willing submission when the person is preoccupied with following a list of regulations.

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Awesome. I couldn't agree more. Frubals

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YouTube - muslim Calls in a Christian Show By bohamadq8 - -

I came across this video and I think it is extremely hilarious.

Reaching God and knowing Him must be simple and logical with no theological complications that lead to contradiction and confusion.

Sultan Of Swing said:

Perhaps this is a flawed Western concept, which it probably is, but I feel that Islam makes one more detached from God than Christianity. I feel that one has a more personal and intimate relationship with God than in Islam, and that is why I choose to follow it. The God of Christianity gave his own Son to die for us, and I believe this further shows his close relationship with humankind.

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God in islam can forgive sins without killing innocent on cross,

we have tolerance , no ugly killing on cross at all.

Pegg said:

im sure they might disagree

but i still believe that, to have the freedom to express our willing submission to God, is far superior to being threatened with punishment for not obeying.

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No one's talking about punishment for disobeying, though.

mohammed_beiruti said:

God in islam can forgive sins without killing innocent on cross,

we have tolerance , no ugly killing on cross at all.

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Same bears out for Xy, though. Jesus didn't need to die on the cross in order for God to forgive sin.

mohammed_beiruti said:

God in islam can forgive sins without killing innocent on cross,

we have tolerance , no ugly killing on cross at all.

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but where is the tolerance when a muslim does something wrong? They are punished by their muslim brothers rather then shown mercy and forgiveness. They are publically whipped, some do not survive the whipping. They are beaten and even stoned to death for committing wrongdoing even if they are pleading for their lives and for forgiveness

this is also what makes christianity so much more superior. Mercy and love rule in christianity. Rather then punishment, forgiveness is shown to those who repent. When islam learns this, i might change my view.