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skydivephil

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Please provide a reference where Hawking said there were seven dimension.

I have no problem with questioning everything, but in the absence of contravening evidence, we have to go with the evidence in hand. Should we throw out every criminla becuae there are occasional miscarraiges of justice?
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Please provide a reference where Hawking said there were seven dimension.
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I just said it was on Naked Science. I think it's the National Geographic Channel that that show is aired on.
 
ellenjanuary

ellenjanuary

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It's a count. Seen a vid, by a guy in Texas, mapped it all out... OK, so the Big did the Bang ten to the eighteenth seconds ago. If we assume Planck time at ten to the negative forty two... adding, we get sixty, so... the big old bang made a potential of ten to the sixty things. Yay variety! :D
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Shadwon Wolf, thats not a reference, you should know that. Perhaps you might reposnd to the more important points.
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It was an episode of Naked Science that I heard that one. I did try to find some reference, and while I couldn't find anything on the 7 dimensions, I did find many articles stating their are 26.
Chapter 10 introduces string theory. Clearly this is an incredibly complicated subject and not capable of being explained in a book entitled "Brief History". However, the way the subject is introduced and then dropped is tantalising. Apparently, string theories are only consistent if space-time has either ten or twenty-six dimensions. All these extra dimensions are curled up into space of a very small size. I, for one, would have liked more explanation of what that means.
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http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168

Evolution has ensured that our brains just aren't equipped to visualise 11 dimensions directly. However, from a purely mathematical point of view it's just as easy to think in 11 dimensions, as it is to think in three or four.
As quoted in "Return of the time lord" in The Guardian (27 September 2005)
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Stephen Hawking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Just_me_Mike said:
Just to note, this was entirely rhetorical, the OP that is.

I don't believe it was all by chance, I just find it an interesting way to view things. I do that sometimes to change perspective on things that interest me. That's all...
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We were well aware that the OP was nothing more than a ridiculous misrepresentation of the big bang theory. You refuse to understand it and reject it solely because it conflicts with biblical literalism (through which is a very infantile way of looking at the world).
 
Just_me_Mike

Just_me_Mike

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Father Heathen said:
We were well aware that the OP was nothing more than a ridiculous misrepresentation of the big bang theory. You refuse to understand it and reject it solely because it conflicts with biblical literalism (through which is a very infantile way of looking at the world).
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As usual you put your keen mind to the task and come up short.

You have no idea what I believe or think, and your assumptions are completely uncalled for.
 
Baydwin

Baydwin

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Just_me_Mike said:
What I wonder if as easy as it started and all came about, can it just disappear? We know nothing of said question, and probably it is a stupid question, but if nothing makes our initial explosion special, than an implosion is just as possible at any time.
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I'm sure I read an article that suggested that, since the big bang was a spontaneous event of "creation", that there is a chance that the universe could end in an equally spontanous evaporation event, everything just goes "poof". But I can't find anything with my internet searches, so perhaps I just dreamt it.

Just_me_Mike said:
In fact, I was doing scales on the guitar the other day, and thought how strange the Big Bang was able to not only deliver the goods for me to be born, but also for the sounds of our world to be so harmonious with my perception and ears.

When I was painting, I was in awe from what the Big Bang could deliver in terms of complimentary colors and how they works so well together for a visual stimulus for my brain.
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That's not so strange when you think about it. Evolution gave us the type of eyes and hearing that we enjoy, so it's understandable that we can't hear all the noise that really exists in the universe, 'cause we'd go mad, so we only hear what we need to. Same goes for vision. If you were a bee the world would be even more vibrant and sorta surreal as they can see in ultraviolet.
 
Just_me_Mike

Just_me_Mike

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Baydwin said:
we only hear what we need to. Same goes for vision.
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Somehow the idea that evolution "gave" us what we need in terms of sound and sight seems off kilter to me.

We don't "need" the octave, if so explain why, we don't need complimentary colors, if so explain why. Not arguing here, just curious from an evolutionary viewpoint, how does our perceiving of these things aid in our survival of species?
 
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the_naturalist

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it seems that the mechanism of the cosmos, earth, and life is through an evolutionary process ... things don't spontaneously happen ... evolution is nature's greatest tool ... anything can happen, given time and evolution
 
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