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Why do people have to complicate everything?

Lycan

Preternatural
Thinking about a previous thread, I was wondering, why do people seem to go out of their way to complicate a situation when it only needs a simple answer/solution? Is it to impress others, or to sound intellectual or is it that not all people are too caught up in the complication to see the simple answer?
 

ayani

member
i guess 'cause folks like to think they're more complicated than they really are...

and egos tend to get in the way, too.
 

njcl

Active Member
i agree,the worst culprits are bible scolars,they look for meanings that are not there,the writings are for all mankind to read not intellectualy superiour human beings....*RANT OVER*
 

Ormiston

Well-Known Member
I think there is a simple answer to this question:

1.2 Bifurcation

A more intuitive approach to orbits can be done through graphical representation using the following rules:
  1. Draw both curves on the same axes. Pick a point on the x-axis. This point is our seed.
  2. Draw a vertical straight line from the point until you intercept the parabola.
  3. Draw a horizontal straight line from the intercept until you reach the diagonal line.
  4. Repeat step 2 with this new point.
The following is a series of graphs detailing some of the behaviors described earlier. Because of their appearance, these diagrams are commonly known as web diagrams (or cobweb diagrams).

web.1.01.gif
This graph shows the simple fixed-point attractive behavior of the parameter value c = 1/4 for the seed value of 0. Zero will be used as a standard seed for all further diagrams because it is "well-behaved". Note how the orbit moves towards 1/2. Further examination shows this approach to be asymptotic.
web.1.02.gif
In this graph, the parameter value was set at c = -3/4. Note how the orbit approaches the fixed-point attractor from opposite sides. After more than 1000 iterations there is still a visible hole in the center. The orbit hasn't yet reached its final value.This orbit was drawn using a parameter value of c = -1.4015. Although it looks similar to the previous diagram, the iterates never seem to repeat. Instead, they slosh around within bands. Tiny adjustments in initial conditions give orbits that are obviously different. At c = -1.4, the orbit had a period of 32, now the orbit has a period of infinity.
web.1.06.gif
If this isn't chaos, I don't know what is. At c = -1.8, the orbit covers every region of some subinterval of [-2, 2]. This picture shows just a small subset of all the points the orbit will eventually visit.

A way to see the general behavior of the mapping

f: x --> x2 + c​

is to plot the orbits as a function of the parameter "c". We will not plot all the points of an orbit, just the most indicative ones. The first several hundred iterations will be discarded allowing the orbit to settle down into its characteristic behavior. Such a diagram is called a bifurcation diagram as it shows the bifurcations of the orbits (among other things).

Ok...that was stupid.
 

Dreamwolf

Blissful Insomniac
I think there is a simple answer to this question:
To I did get that at all!! Well I got the point of the comment but not the actual comment ... I am doing that complicate a simple answer thing aren't I? Ok I will shut up now!
Blessings!
 

Ormiston

Well-Known Member
Dreamwolf said:
To I did get that at all!! Well I got the point of the comment but not the actual comment ... I am doing that complicate a simple answer thing aren't I? Ok I will shut up now!
Blessings!
I like the simple answers. It just doesn't seem like anyone wants to comment on them unless they are controversial. So the rest of the night I am going to only post one of two comments after each argument: Yes, I agree. or No, I don't agree. But I don't think anyone will care either way.
 

Pah

Uber all member
Lycan said:
Thinking about a previous thread, I was wondering, why do people seem to go out of their way to complicate a situation when it only needs a simple answer/solution? Is it to impress others, or to sound intellectual or is it that not all people are too caught up in the complication to see the simple answer?
I don't think life and other things are simple at all. My example would come from manned space exploration. Simple would be strapping on a huge firecracker and lighting the fuse. The reality is the technical marvel they use.

With a group of people an agenda is only simple when the group becomes a mob as Eric Hoffer writes. And I might add, only when it is a controlled mob
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
Lycan said:
Thinking about a previous thread, I was wondering, why do people seem to go out of their way to complicate a situation when it only needs a simple answer/solution? Is it to impress others, or to sound intellectual or is it that not all people are too caught up in the complication to see the simple answer?
Until we totally define words that are accepted by everyone, there will be different definitions of things. Until then, what is simple to you may not be to another person and vice versa.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Apart from the point made by Pah, life is complicated; apart from the predictable complexities, can you honestly tell me that you think people have to complicate things ? - nature itself is the most intrinsically complex proof of complications - just look at the human body, a baby, a flower - the whole of what surrounds us; then tell me we make things complicated ?;)
 

Ori

Angel slayer
This is complex in it's complexity, it is an illusion based on an illusion, am I not answering this in any way, what the hell am I trying to say?
 

Lycan

Preternatural
Apart from the point made by Pah, life is complicated
I disagree. Maybe the underlying mechanics of life are complicated, but I do not agree that living life is complicated. Maybe hard sometimes but not complicated.
 
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