Signs from God

Ori · Jun 2, 2005

Surley if god, Jesus and the rest of the crew are up there and want to make themselves known to all of mankind they would choose more credible ways of doing it? If god has the power to create the universe and everything in it i dont think that this would prove to be to much of a problem for him. If it is the case that he wants people to make up their own minds and decisions about him, why do i get Jehovas Whitnesses disturbing me and informing me that it is now wrong to skateboard amongst other things?

ThisShouldMakeSense · Jun 3, 2005

this is why we keep bugging you on a sunday morning...Jesus told his followers to go preach and make deciples and to teach them etc... (Mathew 28:19,20).
And then there's Mathew 24:14 which says 'And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then, finally, the end will come.'

So as it's a command to christians to go tell others about the kingdom, we go out and do just that. personally i don't really enjoy it, most of the time, but i realise that it's my obligation as a christian to do it. (Romans 10:14,15)
'How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

*** 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!'

so i do it anyway, and just think, eh, we don't even get payed for doing it... :biglaugh:

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 3, 2005

There are signs from God, those seeking him, see the signs. Meaningful coincidences happen in our life every day, and most people ignore them.

As for being told that skating is wrong, this is man, not God. Man also says it's wrong to be naked, but God made us that way.

Peace · Jun 3, 2005

EnhancedSpirit said:
There are signs from God, those seeking him, see the signs. Meaningful coincidences happen in our life every day, and most people ignore them.

I agree with you EnhancedSpirit!

We must seek God, ask God and pray to Him to guide us to His way. God is there so close to us, closer than our jugular vein. We don't need a mediator to reach God. We can ask Him directly to guide us, if we are sincere in our asking, God will never disappoint us.

Peace be with you
Peace

michel · Jun 3, 2005

orichalcum said:
Surley if god, Jesus and the rest of the crew are up there and want to make themselves known to all of mankind they would choose more credible ways of doing it? If god has the power to create the universe and everything in it i dont think that this would prove to be to much of a problem for him. If it is the case that he wants people to make up their own minds and decisions about him, why do i get Jehovas Whitnesses disturbing me and informing me that it is now wrong to skateboard amongst other things?

My way of looking at it is not that it's God's will to make himself known to us, but that we should seek to find him.

As for skateboards and Jehova's witnesses, well, maybe you could teach them; they could get around a lot faster.

ThisShouldMakeSense · Jun 3, 2005

michel said:
As for skateboards and Jehova's witnesses, well, maybe you could teach them; they could get around a lot faster.

Actually, i got a friend who's ace on a board and he's a wintess! i can't find a scrpiture that says skating is wrong, however, the only thing i might be able to see is that the bible highlights the value of life and doesn't want us to risk our lives by being stupid, i.e base jumping or jumping motorbikes over helicopters or jumping off a burning building into boxes...i digress...

So it could be that that's what they meant about skating, the dangerous side of it, such as doing a tony hawk and doing the loop da loop on a massive ramp. you could do yourself an injury i think...but as for just skating along and having fun, i think that's ok. so, don't jump from your neighbours roof into his pool with your board, ok!!?? :jam:

Tawn · Jun 3, 2005

EnhancedSpirit said:
There are signs from God, those seeking him, see the signs. Meaningful coincidences happen in our life every day, and most people ignore them.

If I may offer the opposite argument which is that often people can find what they are looking for if they look hard enough (ie theyll convince themselves).
Conincidences are based on the way our minds work. Ever notice how when something conincidental happens, you get a shock.. and you then mistakingly think that conincidences happen often as you recall vaguely all the other coincidences you have witnessed..
Unusual occurances make a stronger mark on your mind than usual occurances. This is because they dont fit the pattern of what your mind is expecting. You therefore remember with better clarity those times when coincidences happen yet all those times that coincidences dont happen dont make an impression at all.
It isnt that coincidences happen often.. its just selective memory that makes you think so. Just try to think how often coincidences don't happen.

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 3, 2005

Tawn said:
If I may offer the opposite argument which is that often people can find what they are looking for if they look hard enough (ie theyll convince themselves).
Conincidences are based on the way our minds work. Ever notice how when something conincidental happens, you get a shock.. and you then mistakingly think that conincidences happen often as you recall vaguely all the other coincidences you have witnessed..
Unusual occurances make a stronger mark on your mind than usual occurances. This is because they dont fit the pattern of what your mind is expecting. You therefore remember with better clarity those times when coincidences happen yet all those times that coincidences dont happen dont make an impression at all.
It isnt that coincidences happen often.. its just selective memory that makes you think so. Just try to think how often coincidences don't happen.

Last spring, my son saw the clovers and said "look Mom, a lucky clover'. I explained to him that it is only the four leaf clovers that are lucky. He spent all day digging through the clovers, I even helped him for a while. I asked God to please present a four leaf clover so my son could see the difference. Later that night a four leaf clover fell out of my bible. How do you explain that kind of coincidence?

Tawn · Jun 3, 2005

Thats not a coincidence - thats a remarkable claim. I cannot possibly determine whether you are lying, someone put it there, or you had the bible lying in the field of clovers and it was truly a coincidence.. or even that you were hallucinating / recalling dreams as memory. (Honestly there are events in my childhood which im not sure whether I dreamed or whether they actually happened)
However, lets apply a little logic. Why would God do this? All over the world people pray for things from God far more worthy than finding a four leaf clover and yet their prayers are not answered.
I suspect it was placed there.. but then of course I dont know the exact events.. a four leaf clover is the kindof thing a person would drop between the pages of the bible for temporary safe storage.. sorry to be the skeptic.. its nice to believe in these things.. I watch programmes about ghosts and occasionally read about the signs of the zodiac.. its fascinating stuff..

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 3, 2005

Tawn said:
Thats not a coincidence - thats a remarkable claim. I cannot possibly determine whether you are lying, someone put it there, or you had the bible lying in the field of clovers and it was truly a coincidence.. or even that you were hallucinating / recalling dreams as memory. (Honestly there are events in my childhood which im not sure whether I dreamed or whether they actually happened)
However, lets apply a little logic. Why would God do this? All over the world people pray for things from God far more worthy than finding a four leaf clover and yet their prayers are not answered.
I suspect it was placed there.. but then of course I dont know the exact events.. a four leaf clover is the kindof thing a person would drop between the pages of the bible for temporary safe storage.. sorry to be the skeptic.. its nice to believe in these things.. I watch programmes about ghosts and occasionally read about the signs of the zodiac.. its fascinating stuff..

Logically, we could say that my grandmother may have put that four leaf clover in my bible before she gave it to me. It was a gift given to me in 1979. The coincidence is why after all these years did it appear after I asked for it. I have never seen the clover before, and have cracked open that book hundreds of times. This is an example of 'coincidence' that I speak of. Sometimes the miracle is not in the event, but in the timing.

Tawn · Jun 3, 2005

Agreed and I do not deny that coincidences happen. They do! However, how many times have you asked for things which dont appear? Can you count them?

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 3, 2005

Tawn said:
Agreed and I do not deny that coincidences happen. They do! However, how many times have you asked for things which dont appear? Can you count them?

Actually, looking back, I have pretty much gotten everything I ever asked for. Sometimes it was immediate, like the clover, sometimes it took many years to manifest. A lot of the time, I asked for something, then wished I hadn't.

Tawn · Jun 3, 2005

EnhancedSpirit said:
Actually, looking back, I have pretty much gotten everything I ever asked for.

Lucky you. Not everyone is so fortunate.. although to be honest I must admit life has been reasonably kind to me..

Sometimes it was immediate, like the clover, sometimes it took many years to manifest. A lot of the time, I asked for something, then wished I hadn't.

Hehe..

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 5, 2005

There once was a flood and everyone had reached safety except for one man.

He climbed to the top of his house with the water lapping at his feet.

A helicopter flew over his head and hung down a rope for him to climb, but the man was deeply religious and said, "It's alright! The Lord will save me!"

So the helicopter flew away. The water continued to rise and a boat came to him but, once again, the man shouted, "No! Go AWAY! the Lord will come and save me!" and, once again, the boat sped off.

The water was getting dangerously deep by now so the helicopter came back and, on cue, the man repeated, "I don't need saving! My Lord will come"

Reluctantly, the helicopter left.

The rain continued to pour, the water continued to rise and the man drowned.

At the gates of heaven, the man met St. Peter. Confused, he asked, "Peter, I have lived the life of a faithful man - why did my Lord not rescue me?" St. Peter replied, "For pity sake! He sent you two helicopters and a boat!"

Stormygale · Jun 5, 2005

EnhancedSpirit, I do believe you are looking too deep. I grew up in the kind of 'expectation' related occurences that you delve in now. I was raised in a house, Pentecostal, and heard it soooo much, that small occurences in life began to take on the apparition of having godly undertones.
First you must ask yourself, why would God send you clover. Was this a miracle in anyway. And if it was, what would it have accomplished to have been there. Nothing. You were simply out looking for a clover and one happened to be in your bible. That is how I see things now. The presence of the clover you might add is proof to you that you are on the right track, or that god is watching you, or that you are doing something right for him to give you that attention. Dunno. All I know, is that this how I was raised, to look at the small things, and after I grew up, it made no sense.
Anyway, bless you....

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 5, 2005

Stormygale said:
EnhancedSpirit, I do believe you are looking too deep. I grew up in the kind of 'expectation' related occurences that you delve in now. I was raised in a house, Pentecostal, and heard it soooo much, that small occurences in life began to take on the apparition of having godly undertones.
First you must ask yourself, why would God send you clover. Was this a miracle in anyway. And if it was, what would it have accomplished to have been there. Nothing. You were simply out looking for a clover and one happened to be in your bible. That is how I see things now. The presence of the clover you might add is proof to you that you are on the right track, or that god is watching you, or that you are doing something right for him to give you that attention. Dunno. All I know, is that this how I was raised, to look at the small things, and after I grew up, it made no sense.
Anyway, bless you....

I do believe the bible says 'ask and you shall receive.'

pandamonk · Jun 5, 2005

EnhancedSpirit said:
I do believe the bible says 'ask and you shall receive.'

Ask for God to prove himself then.Even though hehas vowed never to do it. Or ask for something you know to be impossible.

EnhancedSpirit · Jun 5, 2005

pandamonk said:
Ask for God to prove himself then.Even though hehas vowed never to do it. Or ask for something you know to be impossible.

God does prove himself to those who seek him. If you ask for something that you think is impossible, it will not happen. Why should it? If you don't believe in it, it will not happen.

People don't understand that God gave us dominion over the earth. We are the creators of our reality. If you don't believe it will happen, it will never happen.

God did not part the Red Sea, he told Moses to do it. Exodus 14:15 God said to Moses: "Why cry out to me? Speak to the Israelites. Order them to get moving. 16 Hold your staff high and stretch your hand out over the sea: Split the sea! The Israelites will walk through the sea on dry ground.

Shadow Wolf · Jun 5, 2005

If you open your mind up, and consider signs from all sources, you will notice alot more "signs"

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