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Is Lucifer Satan Or Jesus Or Another Party ??????

Is lucifer satan or Jesus or another party
satan means adversary
lucifer means venus or morning star or son of the morning
Isaiah 14 : 12 states lucifer or morning star to be a bad being
Revelation 22 : 16 Jesus states that he is the morning star
SO WHY DOES EVERYONE REFER TO LUCIFER AND SATAN AS THE SAME THING?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
Lostinthisworld said:
Is lucifer satan or Jesus or another party
satan means adversary
lucifer means venus or morning star or son of the morning
Isaiah 14 : 12 states lucifer or morning star to be a bad being
Revelation 22 : 16 Jesus states that he is the morning star
SO WHY DOES EVERYONE REFER TO LUCIFER AND SATAN AS THE SAME THING?
actually in my Stone/Artscroll Tanach Isaiah 14:12 doesn't have the word Lucifer anywhere in it...
Commentary shows that the scripture is refering to the king of Babylon who will soon be cut down by Cyrus of Persia...

I'm not sure where some translations get the word Lucifer from...some tanach's i've seen have it, others don't...
In the scripture in Isaiah the prophet Isaiah is sort of demonizing the King of Babylon and i think some christian scholars took this description to be talking about a supernatural force, Satan, who is the Advesary...he is also described as HaSatan by some and as Samael by others...
However, at least from a jewish standpoint, being the Advesary doesn't necessarily mean that he is the enemy of G-d...but that's a topic i've talked about at some length on other threads...
 

may

Well-Known Member
Lostinthisworld said:
Is lucifer satan or Jesus or another party
satan means adversary
lucifer means venus or morning star or son of the morning
Isaiah 14 : 12 states lucifer or morning star to be a bad being
Revelation 22 : 16 Jesus states that he is the morning star
SO WHY DOES EVERYONE REFER TO LUCIFER AND SATAN AS THE SAME THING?



Is​
Lucifer a name that the Bible uses for Satan?





The name Lucifer occurs once in the Scriptures and only in some versions of the Bible. For example, the King James Version renders Isaiah 14:12: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"​

The Hebrew word translated "Lucifer" means "shining one." The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means "bringer of dawn." Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew "morning star" or "Daystar." But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses "Lucifer" (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.​

Who is this Lucifer? The expression "shining one," or "Lucifer," is found in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a "proverbial saying against the king of Babylon." Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description "shining one" is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: "Down to Sheol you will be brought." Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: "Is this the man that was agitating the earth?" Clearly, "Lucifer" refers to a human, not to a spirit creature.—Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.​

Why is such an eminent description given to the Babylonian dynasty? We must realize that the king of Babylon was to be called the shining one only after his fall and in a taunting way. (Isaiah 14:3) Selfish pride prompted Babylon’s kings to elevate themselves above those around them. So great was the arrogance of the dynasty that it is portrayed as bragging: "To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. . . . I shall make myself resemble the Most High."—Isaiah 14:13, 14.​

"The stars of God" are the kings of the royal line of David. (Numbers 24:17) From David onward, these "stars" ruled from Mount Zion. After Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem, the name Zion came to apply to the whole city. Under the Law covenant, all male Israelites were obliged to travel to Zion three times a year. Thus, it became "the mountain of meeting." By determining to subjugate the Judean kings and then remove them from that mountain, Nebuchadnezzar is declaring his intention to put himself above those "stars." Instead of giving Jehovah credit for the victory over them, he arrogantly puts himself in Jehovah’s place. So it is after being cut down to the earth that the Babylonian dynasty is mockingly referred to as the "shining one."​

The pride of the Babylonian rulers indeed reflected the attitude of "the god of this system of things"—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) He too lusts for power and longs to place himself above Jehovah God. But Lucifer is not a name Scripturally given to Satan.

 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
The name Lucifer origionally refered to the Greek god of morning/ male counterpart of Venus, the moring star.

Lucifer is by the way a Greek word not a Hebrew one, this should natually be the first clue that it isn't origional to the bible verse. ;)

Just another cultural aquisition by early Christainity.

wa:do
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
painted wolf said:
The name Lucifer origionally refered to the Greek god of morning/ male counterpart of Venus, the moring star.

Lucifer is by the way a Greek word not a Hebrew one, this should natually be the first clue that it isn't origional to the bible verse. ;)

Just another cultural aquisition by early Christainity.

wa:do

Actually, no, "Lucifer" is a Latin word, meaning "light bearer." The Greek cognate translation found in the LXX is eosphoros (ἑωσφόρος). The Latin form is a compound word made from the word lux and the verb fero, the former "light" and the latter "bearer." The Greek word has a similar etymology. Greek "f"s are usually transliterated as "ph" :).

On how "Lucifer" came to mean "Satan," I don't know. That's a long ways back. I suspect that there is a bit of double-talk, likening the the King of Babylon to Satan or some other demon, or perhaps it grew over time. I hold to the former view, but I can't prove it (had to throw something in on-topic :p)
 

t3gah

Well-Known Member
Lostinthisworld said:
Is lucifer satan or Jesus or another party
satan means adversary
lucifer means venus or morning star or son of the morning
Isaiah 14 : 12 states lucifer or morning star to be a bad being
Revelation 22 : 16 Jesus states that he is the morning star
SO WHY DOES EVERYONE REFER TO LUCIFER AND SATAN AS THE SAME THING?
Satan isn't it's name.

Peter was Satan once.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
oops, my bad

Lucifer was latin for the Greek, Eosphoros. Apparently it (lucifer/eosphoros) was used mainly in literature to distinguish the actual star Venus from the goddess of the same name. After all there were times when you had to mention the star seperate from the goddess it was supposed to represent.

from Wilipedias Lucifer page
"Lucifer" is a poetic name for the "morning star", a close translation of the Greek eosphoros, the "Dawn-bringer", which appears in the Odyssey and in Hesiod's Theogony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Again Biblically Lucifer as a christain 'devil' was likely the result of a literal translation, by Jerome in the 4th century, back in the days of hand copying.

wa:do
 

oracle

Active Member
It seems to me that there is a link between Samael and Lilith (Samael possibly the original Lucifer), Satan, and the serpent in the Garden.
 
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