groovydancer88 said:
This is where I differ from many of my fellow christians. The bible says it's a sin, but for some reason I just can't accept that. It's not like these people choose to be homosexuals. God made them that way, and I feel it's a sin to judge them for what God gave them. Why God himself condemns this characteristic that he gives to his own creation is the concept that I can't grasp.
There are those who say that God: made the "Downs syndrome child" "that way!"....There are those who say that God: made the "the child born with diabetes" "that way!"....There are those who say that God: made the "child born with cancer" "that way!"....There are those who say that God: made "the child born with luekemia" "that way!"....There are those who say that God: made the twins born with a "fused head" "that way!"...There are those who say that God: made the twins born with a "fused pelvis" "that way!"....There are thoe who say that God: made the twins born with a "fused abdomen" "that way!"....There are those who say that God: made the child born with "part male and part female genitalia"[hermaphrodite] "that way!".....
THEN there are those who say that it is God that make the human Christian person develop cancer.....that it is God that make the human Christian person develop heart disease....that it is God that make the human Christian person develop diabetes....that is God that make the human Christian person develop "whatever malady of illness contracted"....
AND finallythat it is God that causes "stillbirth of Infants". Would you say that God caused the "stillbirth of the "common cow" as welll....and also that it is God that causes the child to be born with "cleft palate"...would you say that it is also God that cause the "common house cat" to be born also with a "cleft palate"? And since common farm animals are also born "fused together"....would you say that God causes this to happen as well!....and since "common farm animals" are also afflicted with diseases such as cancers...would you say that God causes these animals to be so afflicted as welll...and what may I ask would be his reasons for so afflicting "farm animals".....
"to bring them to himself maybe!
By now if the obvious is not yet seen; I will try to enlighten.
God made the world of
plants and animals PERFECT in every regard. Genesis chapters 1-3..."And God saw that everything that He had created and made
"Was Good!"
Everything was
Perfect and Good before there was sin.
Now read Genesis chapter 3....
"the animals are now cursed---verse 14.------humans are also cursed verse 13-17.----and the plants are cursed as well. verse 17-19.
Paul in Romans 8:22 says
"For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now".
It is precisely because of sin why the earth complete with its flora and fauna will experience malladies of one sort or another. The prophet David puts it in its proper perspective... "We were shapen in iniquity and born in sin" Psalm 51:5 ....It is therefore by pure chance that when one is
"shapen in iniquity and born in sin" that the "chromosomes on segregating during meiosis" could mutate giving rise to a "downs syndrome child". This mallady of sin has an increased chance of occuring, the older the mother, at the time of pregnancy.
It is also a matter of pure chance if all the chemicals are in the right and fully functioning state to produce normal enzymes, properly and rightfully organized sugars and bases of the DNA molecule... all properly functioning.
These are all matters of pure chance seeing that we all are
"shapen in iniquity; and born in sin; a fact that leaves us always open to the malladies of a sinfully cursed world.....All! as in all plants and animals are subject to the effect of sin as it is represented these human maladies
Given this fact...We should emit everlasting sounds of praise when we are the beneficiaries of a newborn complete with all its anmatomical and physiological parts in full and normal function.
The conclusion is therefore that: when we are
"shapen in iniquity and born in sin" we should expect that this sinful curse predisposes us to maladies of one sort or another. This will include the hormonal imbalance that could see an "individual male" with effeminate behaviour. These maladies could see the individual female with masculine-like predispositions. These maladies could make the individual male with female sensitivities more inclined towards the female behaviour; and the individual female with male sensitivities more inclined towards the male behaviour.
These
"abnormal inclinations" though real in experience, are as abnormal as the "craving for sweets" as experienced by a human with the "malady diabetes". These "maladies" direct results of being born in a sinful world are not to be seen as excuses accruing to our benefit seeing because they were not of our choosing. And whether it is that we deny ourselves our favorite foods; which are "normally good foods" but which could cause us to die" given our diabetic condition. Or whether it is that we deny ourselves the pleasure of giving birth to a child seeing as there stands a reasonable chance that the woman of 44yrs stands a great risk of giving birth to a "downs syndrome' child...and Or whether it is...that because of the malady of our sexual inclination to be attracted to "one of the same sex", that we see "whatever our inclination" in the context of what God created "perfect" and "Good".
If the "diabetic" is the standard of "perfect and "good"...then to that standard should all of God's children aspire. Likewise if the "himosexual inclination" is the standard that is "perfect and "good"...then to that standard should all of God's children aspire.
We as children of God are in a world where we are commanded to fight "principalities and powers and the rulers of darkness". In the same context as Adam and Eve were faced with the identical fight to withstand the enemy of all that is
"Perfect and "Good"... So we His children must also fight all the proclivities that sin has spawned. "Fighting the good fight of faith; nothing wavering".
Not any one of us has an excuse for giving into any sinful behaviour. And that includes any desire that comes either from within or from without.
Our marching orders!
Resist the devil and he will flee from you! James 4:7 Our example was Jesus Himself.....He also was tempted to sin. Just like we are tempted to sin. He never used any excuse to sin...eg; he was hungry when tempted to "turn stones into bread"...and could have used similar excuses; but didn't.
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