What case are you referring to? Please be specific. If possible, a link would be appreciated.
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The Communist Front, I mean the ACLU
- Thread starter rheff78
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Draka
Wonder Woman
They weren't defending pedophilia, they were defending pedophiles rights to speak. Big difference.
I see you ignored my post and 9-10ths Penguin's post as well. You don't like that the ACLU has defended many Christians I take it?
Smoke
Done here.
Apart from the fact that you defend an organization that has been guilty of thousands of cases of child abuse, you also misrepresent a good and decent organization that has had nothing at all to do with child abuse.
And I don't know where you're getting your information, but the ACLU has never defended child pornography or NAMBLA's right to publish child pornography. The ACLU does not challenge the state's right to legislate age of consent laws, either. The ACLU represented NAMBLA in a wrongful death suit filed by the parents of Jeffrey Curley, a ten year old boy who was raped and murdered by pedophiles. None of the individual NAMBLA members who were sued by the Curleys had anything to do with the rape and murder. As far as I know, the Curleys never showed that the murderers were members of NAMBLA. The ACLU's position is that NAMBLA's publications -- which the ACLU describes as "vile" -- don't make NAMBLA or its individual members responsible for the rape and murder of Jeffrey Curley. That's it. That's the entire extent of the ACLU's involvement.
Compare that to your church's decades-long obstruction of the law, collusion with child rapists, protection of child rapists, and facilitation of child rape.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Thank you Bill for the actual information on this. I admit I didn't know all that either, but I knew darn well that the ACLU wouldn't go around defending pedophilia. Rheff is really reaching here.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Are you saying that it should not be allowed to advocate that the law be changed? Or that a criminal statute is unconstitutional? Do you know anything about how our legal system works?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Thanks for the facts. Helpful.
Francine
Well-Known Member
Because there are 76.9 million Catholics in the US, and we vote.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Good point, Francine.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Actually, the ACLU has fought for even Christians to retain there rights. Personally, I wouldn't fight for a group that demonizes my group and tries to stop them at ever turn, but, I guess that's what makes the ACLU such a great group. I'm sure if it wasn't for the ACLU and similiar groups, we probably couldn't even be debating this right now.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
you're great group has also stated that having sex in a public restroom is an act of privacy and thus it is protected under the constitution. Man, I thought a PUBLIC restroom was the complete opposite of privacy. I could be wrong though. This is just one instance of a rediculous case the ACLU has defended. More to come.
I don't agree with this position either........ but so what?
Do you have a source?
Peace,
Mystic
Arrgh.
The ACLU supports free speech in all its forms, whether it's street preachers, Gay Pride parade protestors or activism by NAMBLA.
The ACLU supports freedom of religion in all its forms, whether it's pagan symbols on headstones in veteran cemeteries, or the right for a Catholic to partake of communion wine in a correction centre where alcohol isn't allowed.
The cases they defend and file briefs on are about the rights themselves, not the people involved. The fundamental idea of the ACLU is that all people should be free to act, believe and speak, subject only to very specific legal bounds (i.e. the Constitution). They involve themselves in cases regardless of the distastefulness of the defendants because they believe that the status of people's rights should not depend on how offended others are at their actions, as long as those actions are legal.
And frankly, you should tread carefully before you condemn those who protect the rights of things you don't agree with, because there are likely a number of things that you support (just like any of us) that many people would find objectionable or distasteful.
For example, think of all the counties in the United States named "Orange" or "Ulster" - they're scattered all over the country, so there may be one or two near where you are. It hasn't been that long since in these areas (and in some cases, whole states), founded and settled by Protestants, the majority of people would have found your own religion offensive to the point where a large number of people considered the Pope to be the Antichrist. It was only the protection of the law, along with people who believed that personal offense is not a proper reason to abrogate a human right, that protected Catholics and their freedom to practice and believe as they saw fit in these places.
So the ACLU defends the right of pedophiles to petition the government to change the law, despite the offense you take to it? Remember that they also defend the right of people to protest same-sex marriage and abortion, despite the offense that I and a great many other people take to that. It's about the right, not the defendant.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
The following information was taken from the web site of the Center for Reclaiming America, an arm of Coral Ridge Ministries in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. And at the bottom of the page is a sample of a letter you can use to write newspaper editors to publish regarding the ACLU's legalized theft of your tax dollars.
ACLU Generates Revenue in Courtroom Campaign
$156,960 = Nebraska (1)
The ACLU was awarded $156,960 after a judge overturned an amendment to the Nebraska Constitution defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The amendment was approved by 70 percent of Nebraska voters.
$790,000 = San Diego
The ACLU was given $790,000 after suing to nullify a lease between the city of San Diego and the Boy Scouts of America. A federal judge sided with the ACLU, ruling that the Boy Scouts are a religious organization because they require kids to pledge an oath to God and promise to live a “morally straight” life.
$150,000 = Barrow County (Ga.) (2)
The ACLU was awarded $150,000 after suing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from the Barrow County Courthouse.
$615,500 = Florida Supreme Court
The Florida Supreme Court established the Florida Bar Foundation and then commissioned the foundation to provide $615,500 to the ACLU of Florida between the years of 1990 and 1997.
$121,500 = Kentucky
The ACLU was awarded $121,500 after suing to remove a monument outside of the Kentucky Capitol building.
$277,000 = Kentucky
The ACLU was awarded a whopping $277,000 after suing to overturn a state law against abortion in 1994.
$299,500 = Kentucky
In 2001, the ACLU was awarded more than $299,500 after suing to overturn abortion regulations in Kentucky.
$50,000 = Tennessee
A Tennessee County was forced to pay the ACLU $50,000 after losing a legal battle to preserve a display of the Ten Commandments.
$37,037 = Loudoun County (Va.)
The ACLU was awarded $37,037 after winning a lawsuit to prevent a Loudoun County (Va.) from installing pornography filters on public library computers.
$175,000 = Alabama
Following the lawsuit, involving former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court building, state taxpayers were forced to pay nearly $550,000 in attorney fees and court costs. Of that, $175,000 went to the ACLU.
63,000 = California
Taxpayers were forced to give the ACLU a whopping $63,000 after their lawsuit to remove a World War One Memorial Cross from the Mojave National Preserve.
$74,462 = Habersham County (Ga.)
The ACLU received $74,462 from Georgia taxpayers after suing to remove a Ten Commandments display from the Habersham County (Ga.) Courthouse.
$25,000 = Pulaski County (Ark.)
The ACLU was awarded $25,000 after suing an Arkansas county for telling the child’s parents that the 14-year-old boy was living an openly gay lifestyle in school.
$135,000 = Cobb County (Ga.)
The ACLU is scheduled to receive $135,000 from Cobb County taxpayers, after suing the county to remove warning stickers from the district biology books. The stickers simply read, “Evolution is a theory, not a fact.”
$75,000 = Pasco (Wash.)
The city of Pasco, Washington was forced to pay the ACLU $75,000 after they lost a lawsuit to remove the painting of a naked woman from the Pasco City Hall.
$52,000 = Seattle (Wash.)
Residents in Seattle, Washington, were ordered to pay $52,000 to the ACLU — for defending a student’s “right” to mock the assistant principal in a sexual online parodies … sodomizing Homer Simpson and appearing in Viagra commercials.
$6,000,000 = American taxpayers (3)
The ACLU, along with other pro-abortion organizations, have shared in court awards estimated to be worth roughly six million dollars following the Supreme Court’s decision in which they declared the Nebraska partial birth abortion ban unconstitutional. Reportedly, these lawsuits affected thirty states.
$18,000 = London (Ohio)
After suing London, Ohio, for allowing their football coach to host a voluntary prayer for athletes, the ACLU was awarded $18,000 in attorney fees.
$110,000 = Multnomah County (Oregon)
Incredibly, Multnomah County taxpayers were asked to pay a whopping $110,000 after the ACLU sued them for allowing the Boy Scouts of America to recruit on public school campuses.
$111,000 = Operation Rescue (4)
Operation Rescue was ordered to pay the ACLU $111,000 after losing a lawsuit in which the ACLU sought to prevent the organization from picketing near abortion clinics.
$230,000 = San Diego (California)
San Diego residents were forced to pay $230,000 in legal costs in an effort to defend the Mount Soledad Cross (a memorial to the Korean War) from an ACLU lawsuit. The Korean War Memorial had been established in 1952.
It's good to know your great group is bankrolling as well.
ACLU Generates Revenue in Courtroom Campaign
$156,960 = Nebraska (1)
The ACLU was awarded $156,960 after a judge overturned an amendment to the Nebraska Constitution defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The amendment was approved by 70 percent of Nebraska voters.
$790,000 = San Diego
The ACLU was given $790,000 after suing to nullify a lease between the city of San Diego and the Boy Scouts of America. A federal judge sided with the ACLU, ruling that the Boy Scouts are a religious organization because they require kids to pledge an oath to God and promise to live a “morally straight” life.
$150,000 = Barrow County (Ga.) (2)
The ACLU was awarded $150,000 after suing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from the Barrow County Courthouse.
$615,500 = Florida Supreme Court
The Florida Supreme Court established the Florida Bar Foundation and then commissioned the foundation to provide $615,500 to the ACLU of Florida between the years of 1990 and 1997.
$121,500 = Kentucky
The ACLU was awarded $121,500 after suing to remove a monument outside of the Kentucky Capitol building.
$277,000 = Kentucky
The ACLU was awarded a whopping $277,000 after suing to overturn a state law against abortion in 1994.
$299,500 = Kentucky
In 2001, the ACLU was awarded more than $299,500 after suing to overturn abortion regulations in Kentucky.
$50,000 = Tennessee
A Tennessee County was forced to pay the ACLU $50,000 after losing a legal battle to preserve a display of the Ten Commandments.
$37,037 = Loudoun County (Va.)
The ACLU was awarded $37,037 after winning a lawsuit to prevent a Loudoun County (Va.) from installing pornography filters on public library computers.
$175,000 = Alabama
Following the lawsuit, involving former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court building, state taxpayers were forced to pay nearly $550,000 in attorney fees and court costs. Of that, $175,000 went to the ACLU.
63,000 = California
Taxpayers were forced to give the ACLU a whopping $63,000 after their lawsuit to remove a World War One Memorial Cross from the Mojave National Preserve.
$74,462 = Habersham County (Ga.)
The ACLU received $74,462 from Georgia taxpayers after suing to remove a Ten Commandments display from the Habersham County (Ga.) Courthouse.
$25,000 = Pulaski County (Ark.)
The ACLU was awarded $25,000 after suing an Arkansas county for telling the child’s parents that the 14-year-old boy was living an openly gay lifestyle in school.
$135,000 = Cobb County (Ga.)
The ACLU is scheduled to receive $135,000 from Cobb County taxpayers, after suing the county to remove warning stickers from the district biology books. The stickers simply read, “Evolution is a theory, not a fact.”
$75,000 = Pasco (Wash.)
The city of Pasco, Washington was forced to pay the ACLU $75,000 after they lost a lawsuit to remove the painting of a naked woman from the Pasco City Hall.
$52,000 = Seattle (Wash.)
Residents in Seattle, Washington, were ordered to pay $52,000 to the ACLU — for defending a student’s “right” to mock the assistant principal in a sexual online parodies … sodomizing Homer Simpson and appearing in Viagra commercials.
$6,000,000 = American taxpayers (3)
The ACLU, along with other pro-abortion organizations, have shared in court awards estimated to be worth roughly six million dollars following the Supreme Court’s decision in which they declared the Nebraska partial birth abortion ban unconstitutional. Reportedly, these lawsuits affected thirty states.
$18,000 = London (Ohio)
After suing London, Ohio, for allowing their football coach to host a voluntary prayer for athletes, the ACLU was awarded $18,000 in attorney fees.
$110,000 = Multnomah County (Oregon)
Incredibly, Multnomah County taxpayers were asked to pay a whopping $110,000 after the ACLU sued them for allowing the Boy Scouts of America to recruit on public school campuses.
$111,000 = Operation Rescue (4)
Operation Rescue was ordered to pay the ACLU $111,000 after losing a lawsuit in which the ACLU sought to prevent the organization from picketing near abortion clinics.
$230,000 = San Diego (California)
San Diego residents were forced to pay $230,000 in legal costs in an effort to defend the Mount Soledad Cross (a memorial to the Korean War) from an ACLU lawsuit. The Korean War Memorial had been established in 1952.
It's good to know your great group is bankrolling as well.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
And it's not about the defendant if anyone is able to screw in a public restroom. The last thing I want my daughter to hear is someone doing it in a bathroom stall.
And the last thing I would want any child of mine to see is the posters of aborted fetuses that a group from my local Catholic church likes to hold up on the roadside, but we don't all get what we want, do we? It's funny how people think that the legal right to do something entitles them to do it.
But you don't think people have a right to privacy in a bathroom? If you're in the stall, look up, and see someone watching you, you don't mind?
When someone does something illegal, the people suing them generally get to recover their court costs.
In all these cases, governments and/or public employees were found by a court of law to be acting illegally and unconstitutionally. If you've got a problem with the ACLU getting this money, I'd suggest you take the matter up with your elected officials, and politely ask them to make sure that they and their staff don't break the law.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
That's absurd. Abortion is a different animal. People doing the mattress mombo in a PUBLIC restroom are not entitled to that kind of privacy.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
ummm, what?
Yes - those posters are deliberately intended to shock and offend as many people as possible. Two people in a bathroom stall are trying to avoid public notice, not encourage it.
The laws of the United States and a court of competent jurisdiction disagree with you, apparently.
*tape recorded message with respect to the TV show Mission Impossible*
The above argument will self-destruct in 5 seconds.........
The ACLU is not the only legal organization that is awarded attorney's fees when the state is contested. Coral Ridge Ministries just has an axe to grind with an organization that disagrees with it's own evangelical agenda.
Peace,
Mystic