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The Rapture a Glorious Event

FFH

Veteran Member
Or unless one believes something differently about them within the context of Christianity.

You, too, "interpret to fit your own belief system."
To a small degree we all do this...

There is however no benefit in trying to interprete scriptures to fit a certain belief, but there is a benefit in trying to understand the true meaning of all scripture.

I truly want to know the true meaning of all scripture so I can learn from them, not so that someone can learn from me...

Most of what I type here is for my own benefit, a diary of sorts, a way to organize my thoughts on the various subjects I'm interested in....

RF is a giant filing cabinet for me to store my research and thoughts concerning the subjects I'm interested in and if I am in error others can help to correct me if I'm wrong...
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
To a small degree we all do this...

There is hiowever no benefit in trying to interprete scriptures to fit a certain belief, but there is a benefit in trying to understand the true meaning of all scripture.

I truly want to know the true meaning of all scripture so I can learn from them, not so that someone can learn from me...

Most of what I type here is for my own benefit, a diary of sorts, a way to organize my thoughts on the various subjects I'm interested in....

RF is a giant filing cabinet for me to store my research and thoughts concerning the subjects I'm interested in and if I am in error others can help to correct me if I'm wrong...
What benefit is there to interpreting scripture literally, as that the fire is a real fire that will sweep the earth? Doesn't sound very beneficial, least not to those who will survive, if any.

Whatever the benefit, I'm sure those who believe in a non-literal meaning for scripture find at least as much benefit.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
FFH,

The fact that you use these posts as a sounding board for your own arguments and generally ignore any comment is one of the things that disurbs me most. It is obsessive behavior, and reminds me of Ted Kuzinski.

regards,
Scott
 

FFH

Veteran Member
FFH,

The fact that you use these posts as a sounding board for your own arguments and generally ignore any comment is one of the things that disurbs me most. It is obsessive behavior, and reminds me of Ted Kuzinski.

regards,
Scott

I read all comments in all my threads. No need to comment on every post.

For instance, Willamena's post 242 I've read but don't have a response I feel comfortable with...

Most of the time it's better to say little or nothing at all..
 

FFH

Veteran Member
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]We Will Dance[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica](David Ruis)[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]Sing a song of celebration[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]Lift up a shout of praise[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]For the Bridegroom will come[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]The glorious One[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]And oh, we will look on His face [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]We’ll go to a much better place[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]​

[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]Dance with all your might[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]Lift up your hands and clap for joy[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]The time’s drawing near[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]When He will appear [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]And oh, we will stand by His side[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]A strong, pure, spotless bride[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]We will dance on the streets that are gold/golden[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]The glorious bride and the great Son of man[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]From every tongue and tribe and nation[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]Will join in the song of the Lamb[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]Sing aloud for the time of rejoicing is near[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]The risen King, our groom, is soon to appear[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]The wedding feast to come is now near at hand[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]Lift up your voice, and praise/proclaim the coming Lamb[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

Here's what the songs sounds like, sung by this girl.

The real David Ruis version is great, will post it if I someone posts it on U-tube.


We Will Dance[/FONT]​
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FFH

Veteran Member
The 'rapture' thing is a new concept, I think!
The term "rapture," was first coined by a woman in the 1800's, to describe this Biblical event (the first resurrection/catching away of the saints, from off this earth, at Chrst's first and second appearing in the clouds), which was spoken of by Christ, to his disciples, when they asked about the end of the world.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
I Thessalonians 4
4:Intro The second coming of Christ.

4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.

4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication;

4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor;

4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God;

4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter; because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his Holy Spirit.

4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you; for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

4:10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia; but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;

4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

4:12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.

4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that they who are alive at the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them who remain unto the coming of the Lord, who are asleep.

4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first;

4:17 Then they who are alive, shall be caught up together into the clouds with them who remain, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we be ever with the Lord.

4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

I Thessalonians 5
5:Intro Christ's second coming -- Precepts of righteousness.

5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (in other words, that day will not overtake the righteous, those who are Christ's, as a thief)

5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day; we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation.

5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

5:13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feeble-minded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

5:16 Rejoice evermore.

5:17 Pray without ceasing.

5:18 In everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

5:20 Despise not prophesyings.

5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you who also will do it.

5:25 Brethren, pray for us.

5:26 Greet all the brethren with a holy salutation.

5:27 I charge you by the Lord, that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

5:28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. The first epistle unto the Thessalonians was written from Athens.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

John is Nicodemus/Nicolaitans
Paul/Saul is Anti-Christ
Simon is the stone (peter)
= 3 Frogs

Repent therefore :)

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Ah, Wizanda, was just thinking about you, good to see you...you've been relatively silent lately...
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Wizanda said:
Wizanda said:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
This is actually a scripture that we all need to ponder every once in a while...

It's a wake up call to be pure/holy/ready when Christ returns...

I don't want to be sent to hell and that's a real possibility with any of us..

Wizanda said:
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
I'm with ya man...
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Wizanda said:
John is Nicodemus/Nicolaitans
Paul/Saul is Anti-Christ
Simon is the stone (peter)
= 3 Frogs
You post all the pertinent scriptures that flood my mind also, but this is something that you persist in posting that I obviously disagree with and can't understand why you persist in this teaching...

Sorry, just wish you could stand back and look at what you're doing for a minute.

You're heart is one that puzzles me.. Wish I could change your mind on this issue...
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Ah, Wizanda, was just thinking about you, good to see you. Wow you are up early are you not ???
Think and it appears, sounds like my life....:angel2:Always am up early, work on the net night and day rescuing any who will spend the time to listen.....

Which is basically the world denies it and thinks they have abundance....
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I'm with ya man...
Try not
“it's right blowing up Hiroshima, and wouldn't if there was one Christian”
!!:cover:
Yes it does give you a bad taste in your mouth, for what the Bible declares..... As that means all nations follow the beast, who stole its power from the dragon (something that said it made the rivers).....

Did you know that we could explain this to the world and resolve all differences....yet as you personally show to me its not that simple………

God made a snare to put people in as they like it that way....i personally have a hard time dealing with such a thing, which is why gave up my own fun to explain it first for you all...
Yet none care to listen to the Son of man, even when they come in the name of the lord....:angel2:
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Originally Posted by FFH
“it's right blowing up Hiroshima, and wouldn't if there was one Christian”
You're misquoting me here Wizanda, nice trick, you added something I did say (second half of the sentence, after the comma) with something I didn't (which is the first half of the sentence before the comma) the devil does the same trick with scripture......
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Take note all, if you click on the blue arrow FFH there is nothing to back this up, but it is based on another post in another thread, in which all misunderstood me completely and it caused a lot of anger towards myself from many others as you can see plainly here....
Originally Posted by FFH
“it's right blowing up Hiroshima, and wouldn't if there was one Christian”
I lived in Japan for nearly two years. I absolutely adore and love the Japanese people they are near and dear to my heart, I miss Japan deeply, it was hard to come back to the states......

I've never had that kind of love for any other race consume me so completely before or since...
 
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