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What does worship mean?

rojse

RF Addict
What does the word worship mean to you personally, in terms of religion? No dictionary definitions, please.
 

rojse

RF Addict
My definition of worship is making a bargain with a being more powerful than you to get something that you want that you cannot get yourself, and in return, you give them prayers/rituals/sacrifices.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
My definition of worship is making a bargain with a being more powerful than you to get something that you want that you cannot get yourself, and in return, you give them prayers/rituals/sacrifices.


Tht to me is childish in the extreme.

A lover wants nothing more than to be in the presence of his Beloved. When the Beloved is God, that state of existence is worship.

Regards,
Scott
 

Rolling_Stone

Well-Known Member
Worship asks nothing and expects nothing. It is the act of a part identifying itself with the Whole; the finite with the Infinite. It is the conscious and joyous recognition of, and personal communion with, the One which is Reality Itself.

Worship turns into prayer the moment the element of self-interest intrudes upon worship.
 

Rolling_Stone

Well-Known Member
That's a complicated one! Is there anything higher than my own existence? When I pray to God, am I just praying to a reflection?
Looking outward, we see only the reflection of our soul. "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled" (Titus 1:15)

Why? Because God is One; there is no "other."
 

rojse

RF Addict
So, no one expects anything when they worship God?

I could think of many things that are incorporated into worship in terms of what the worshipper wants - don't send me to hell, I hope my family and friends get better, please keep my loved ones stay out of danger, and so forth, even if this wish is not stated directly.

Perhaps I am being too cynical today.
 

rojse

RF Addict
Without trying to offend you, what do you get out of worshipping God?

If you do not expect him to do anything for you, and your worship will do nothing for him, what is the point of this practice, then?

It would be far too presumptuous for me to even try to guess what God gets out of your worship.

Apologies if I accidentally insulted you with any of my questions.
 

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
My definition of worship is making a bargain with a being more powerful than you to get something that you want that you cannot get yourself, and in return, you give them prayers/rituals/sacrifices.
One of the more childish definitions I have seen.
 

Runt

Well-Known Member
Without trying to offend you, what do you get out of worshipping God?

If you do not expect him to do anything for you, and your worship will do nothing for him, what is the point of this practice, then?
I recently had a conversation with a friend about this very topic. He suggested that it is the mark of "juvenile spirituality" to approach a relationship with God with a "when you're good to Daddy, Daddy's good to you" attitude. He argued that a adoration-in-hopes-of-reward relationship was the simplest possible relationship one could have with God. More mature believers, he argued, offered God their love and obedience and glorified Him without expectation of reward.
 

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
But not necessarily invalid.
I doubt most religious people would agree with it.
Because rojse probably has never actually worshiped something, he cannot understand what it means, and this is apparent in his definition.
 

Runt

Well-Known Member
I doubt most religious people would agree with it.
Because rojse probably has never actually worshiped something, he cannot understand what it means, and this is apparent in his definition.
I think it is actually a fairly accurate depiction of worship for more animistic rather than theistic religions. Admittedly, such religions do not represent the majority anymore, but before believers began striving for communion with the divine, they worshipped the divine in order to appease and bargain with it.

However, I think you may be correct; Rojse seems to be assuming that all (or the average) believers today seek to get something from God rather than have a relationship with God, and that is not accurate. (Although I do suspect that many individuals attempt to have a relationship and get something out of God, such as admittance to Heaven, guidance, success... a pony...)
 

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
I think it is actually a fairly accurate depiction of worship for more animistic rather than theistic religions. Admittedly, such religions do not represent the majority anymore, but before believers began striving for communion with the divine, they worshipped the divine in order to appease and bargain with it. However, I think you may be correct; Rojse seems to be assuming that all (or the average) believer today seeks to get something from God rather than have a relationship with God, and that is not accurate. (Although I do suspect that many individuals attempt to have a relationship and get something out of God.)
I think the whole sacrifice the virgin to the volcano thing has died out.
The average churchgoer probably does want to get something from god rather then understand and know god.
 
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