Subduction Zone
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Because people who believe in a irrational God tend to be irrational themselves and harm others as a result. It is not God that is a threat. It is the people that invented him.
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Is it possible that Christianity is true, yet the Bible contains errors?
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Trailblazer
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Welcome to the forum. It's always nice to see another Washingtonian. Susan here, from Olympia WA.
I agree that the Bible gives us a way we have to understand how people of the ancient world thought, but there is a great deal of the Bible that just doesn't make any sense in the modern world. I believe that the spiritual truths in the Bible are eternal, but the social teachings and laws had to change to accommodate the needs of the times we live in. I believe that happened when God sent a Messenger for this age.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Thank you for your kind sentiment. I truly appreciate it.
To be honest, the reality of my life and what had happened to me changed my mind. I finally realized that I had to be honest with myself about what I believed and why. It was a very difficult emotional and spiritual journey that I had to take. I've talked about what happened to me in my previous posts.
First post: The Future of Humanity on Earth
Second post: By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...
Third post: By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
As someone who has suffered abuse at the hands of Christians (my adoptive parents and others), I can honestly say that I believe you are correct.
Sorry, factually incorrect. Catholics believe those who have never heard of Jesus, let along believe in him, can be saved, so can anyone who cooperates with God's graces, no matter what the denomination
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
It seems like Catholic Answers provided a different answer than yours.
Catholic Answers: How Protestants Are Saved - Question: "Do Protestants go to heaven?" Answer: "It’s possible, although they wouldn’t be saved on account of their distinctive Protestant beliefs. All salvation comes by Jesus Christ and through his one Catholic Church." FYI, there are further beliefs included.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Thank you so much for sharing. Sounds like you have had a long and sometimes painful journey, but that you have finally found a home.
My only comment, and its not meant to take away from your experience, is that regular attendance at most churches has been researched scientifically and shown to increase people's health and wellbeing. HOWEVER that doesn't mean that there aren't toxic churches out there that spread fear of hell and shunning, irrational thinking, and bigotry. It sounds like that is what you experiences, so in your case, I'm very happy to hear that you finally got out, and found a good religious community.
I only have had a dialogue with you and not “him” whoever that is
Sounds very irrational. Should I now expect that you are going to harm those who believe in God?
Subduction Zone
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Are you claiming that @shunyadragon is in drag?
Subduction Zone
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Not at all. And only an irrational person would believe that I would harm anyone or even ask that question.
Ohhh… so there are two different weights of judgment — got it. You are different from God believers.
Subduction Zone
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I cannot force you to reason rationally. And I am different from some God believers.
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I see these two views compatible in cooperates with God's graces, no matter what the denomination going along with Protestant beliefs alone won't save, but rather through Christ's one church, the catholic church, emphasis on lower case catholic which means universal Christianity. The church that Jesus is the head of has no denomination. IMO, it's only tenet is the Great Commandment.
I read your back stories and can relate with the Christian fear. It had me chained for 3 decades. The guilt was suffocating for such a goodie-goodie wallflower.
I broke free by pulling what I call a Siddhartha -- I hit the other side. That's where I finally recognized the God of wonder, and grace that was my inner light all along. I just couldn't see it while being directed to look at "good Christian" light. I had to look in the dark to properly see light. Jesus did say the kingdom is in our mist.
Congratulations on your breaking the chains and much fellowship going your way for your journey forward.
You don’t have to…
it my natural way of being.A rational statement. You are improving
Subduction Zone
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No, you have demonstrated that it is not.You don’t have to…
But sadly so far you have not. You were the one making all of the irrational accusations.A rational statement. You are improving
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
In my opinion, being different from certain God believers is a positive achievement, given what I've seen in person and online (including on this forum).
That is what is happening when you accuse an atheist of hating God, your shouting.
Not true, with the exception of those that have not heard of Jesus or the Roman Church (not many in the world today), the chrusch doctrine is “Outside the Church there is no salvation” (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus). The message is clear
What "No Salvation Outside the Church" Means
One of the most misunderstood teachings of the Catholic Church is this one: “Outside the Church there is no salvation” (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)...
With Him or Against Him
Since the sacraments are the ordinary means through which Christ offers the grace necessary for salvation, and the Catholic Church that Christ established is the ordinary minister of those sacraments, it is appropriate to state that salvation comes through the Church.This is not unlike the situation that existed prior to the establishment of the Catholic Church. Even before it was fully revealed that he was the Messiah, Jesus himself taught that “salvation is from the Jews” (Jn 4:22). He pointed the woman of Samaria to the body of believers existing at that time, through which salvation would be offered to all mankind: the Jews.
In a similar fashion, now that the Messiah has established his Church, Jesus might say, “salvation is from the Catholics”!
Recognizing this, we can see why the Church, especially during times of mass exodus (such as has happened in times when heresies have run rampant), has been even more forceful in the way it has taught this doctrine. Instead of simply pointing out how God offers salvation from Christ, through the Church, the Church has warned that there is no salvation apart from Christ, outside his Church.
Since Jesus established the Catholic Church as necessary for salvation, those who knowingly and willingly reject him or his Church cannot be saved. We see this in Jesus’ teaching: “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters” (Mt 12:30). Also: “f he [a sinning brother] refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector” (Mt 18:17). Paul warned similarly: “As for a man who is factious, after admonishing him once or twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is perverted and sinful; he is self-condemned” (Ti 3:10-11).
The Roman Church condemns no one living, because up until th emoment of death one may believe and confess to the Roman Church.
Again you are perpetuating your belief that @Subduction Zone hates God even though he simply does not believe in Gods,