The only solution is to love all mankind

[F1fan]

Today humanity is beset with many strifes, conflicts and wars and I believe that the only solution to ending these conflicts over time is for all people to be educated in the home, school, university and workplace to love all humanity unconditionally. It will take time but it is the only ideology which I firmly believe can defeat war, hatred, prejudice and terrorism because it has been proven that over time peace treaties, pacts and covenants eventually fail and war re-emerges unless there is true peace between individuals.

I‘m claiming this to be the main solution to ending war so it is a debate. What do you think?

How do you stop violent people? I'ver asked before and you have no answer. Those of us here are not the problem, so why post this here unless you have a way to convince those who are violent?

 

[F1fan]

We are talking about a revamping of at least a part of the education system worldwide here. That no matter which religion, race or nationality it becomes compulsory to teach that all humanity are brothers and sisters. This is not what is taught at all in many countries which is why there is demonising and terrorism not to mention wars increasing.

What we are taught is what we become.

Authoritarian leaders won't do this. So how do you convince them? And as long as there are authoritarian leaders who will cause violence. you won't reach any of their ctizens.

 

[Trailblazer]

Today humanity is beset with many strifes, conflicts and wars and I believe that the only solution to ending these conflicts over time is for all people to be educated in the home, school, university and workplace to love all humanity unconditionally. It will take time but it is the only ideology which I firmly believe can defeat war, hatred, prejudice and terrorism because it has been proven that over time peace treaties, pacts and covenants eventually fail and war re-emerges unless there is true peace between individuals.

I‘m claiming this to be the main solution to ending war so it is a debate. What do you think?

I think it is very naive to expect people to love all of mankind unconditionally, and it is not even beneficial to show love towards people who misbehave.

“O ye beloved of the Lord! The Kingdom of God is founded upon equity and justice, and also upon mercy, compassion, and kindness to every living soul. Strive ye then with all your heart to treat compassionately all humankind—except for those who have some selfish, private motive, or some disease of the soul. Kindness cannot be shown the tyrant, the deceiver, or the thief, because, far from awakening them to the error of their ways, it maketh them to continue in their perversity as before. No matter how much kindliness ye may expend upon the liar, he will but lie the more, for he believeth you to be deceived, while ye understand him but too well, and only remain silent out of your extreme compassion.”
Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 158

Not only is it not beneficial, it would never work, because you cannot change the character of people without changing the way they are raised in the home, and that would take a very long time to change all of humanity that way, if it was even possible.

 

[loverofhumanity]

For the most part, I agree. Whether it's right or wrong. I read books by Freud and he blamed much of a disturbed personality on the parents. Of course, that's not the end of it because nationality and religion plays a big part. Thanks for your thoughts here about what we are taught.

Our thoughts make us what we are either loving and friendly humans or monsters and it can be proven wherever there is hatred, prejudice and war , alongside it is a deliberate system of demonisation using education as the tool. It happened with Hitler. It’s happening again now. It doesn’t have to be religious based. It can be national or racial brainwashing demonising the ‘other’ as the ‘enemy’ which is manipulative and used by the press to create a false ‘us vs them’ mentality.

The real truth uncovered is that we are one human race, our very DNA confirms this indisputable fact. That war is really fellow humans killing fellow humans, brothers and sisters killing each other. We the people are at fault for allowing ourselves to be manipulated in such a way. The arms dealers are the ones who gain from human naiveness in being conned into thinking the ‘other’ is our ‘enemy’ when they are truly our brother.

 

[Trailblazer]

And what about Muslim nations who are taught that all non Muslims are infidels? What if they taught their people to love all humanity?

Love all of humanity? Heck, I was just ridiculed by a Muslim on another forum because I am a Baha'i.

 

[loverofhumanity]

How do you stop violent people? I'ver asked before and you have no answer. Those of us here are not the problem, so why post this here unless you have a way to convince those who are violent?

Not overnight but through educative rehabilitation involving a peaceful accepting and well wishing mindset be taught to them. Why post here because anyone may be a catalyst and send the concept viral.

A culture of peace needs to take root all over the world and spread into its darkest corners. Only light can banish darkness and only a worldwide culture of peace can ultimately vanquish war so we start with ourselves and encourage others to try and spread a culture of peace.

 

[Trailblazer]

So what’s wrong with a billion Chinese loving all humankind unconditionally as equals? You see something wrong with that?

I see something wrong with that because everyone is not equal, not according to Baha'u'llah.

“Let no one imagine that by Our assertion that all created things are the signs of the revelation of God is meant that—God forbid—all men, be they good or evil, pious or infidel, are equal in the sight of God.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 187

 

[Trailblazer]

Theres about a billion Chinese who are
not going to be conned by a phony " prophet".

nor are they going to believe in a real prophet.

 

[Audie]

So what’s wrong with a billion Chinese loving all humankind unconditionally as equals? You see something wrong with that? I certainly don’t and see it as leading to world peace.

Nonsense questions.
You may as well ask whats wrong with being able to
fly and live on nothung but air.

Whats wrong is the idea that a religion based
off a phony prophet will somehow " teach"
people to be a profoundly different creature than
what nature created.

" unconditional love for everyone as equals"
is gibberish.

And, just btw, idealists with impossible dream
worlds to promote have brought about millions of
deaths.

Your role as foot soldier for yet another is of
questional wisdom.

 

[Audie]

Not overnight but through educative rehabilitation involving a peaceful accepting and well wishing mindset be taught to them. Why post here because anyone may be a catalyst and send the concept viral.

A culture of peace needs to take root all over the world and spread into its darkest corners. Only light can banish darkness and only a worldwide culture of peace can ultimately vanquish war so we start with ourselves and encourage others to try and spread a culture of peace.

Oh yes! Ive heard of criticism and
reeducation.

 

[Nakosis]

Today humanity is beset with many strifes, conflicts and wars and I believe that the only solution to ending these conflicts over time is for all people to be educated in the home, school, university and workplace to love all humanity unconditionally. It will take time but it is the only ideology which I firmly believe can defeat war, hatred, prejudice and terrorism because it has been proven that over time peace treaties, pacts and covenants eventually fail and war re-emerges unless there is true peace between individuals.

I‘m claiming this to be the main solution to ending war so it is a debate. What do you think?

I think the idea of love is too vague or too broad to be of much practical use.

Also, I don't have to love someone to not go to war with them. I think generally if we could just avoid demonize folks we could probably get along.

 

[F1fan]

Not overnight but through educative rehabilitation involving a peaceful accepting and well wishing mindset be taught to them. Why post here because anyone may be a catalyst and send the concept viral.

A culture of peace needs to take root all over the world and spread into its darkest corners. Only light can banish darkness and only a worldwide culture of peace can ultimately vanquish war so we start with ourselves and encourage others to try and spread a culture of peace.

You seem to assume that all humans are the same, and have an ideal mental health. You never say anything about those who have mental disorders and can't be taught to behave as if they are normal. You also seem to overlook the role poverty plays. Are ou in favor of communism so that everyone can have their needs covered, thus no poverty? And you will need to eliminate wealth as those who seek wealth will take away resources that are needed to help the needy.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Nonsense questions.
You may as well ask whats wrong with being able to
fly and live on nothung but air.

Whats wrong is the idea that a religion based
off a phony prophet will somehow " teach"
people to be a profoundly different creature than
what nature created.

" unconditional love for everyone as equals"
is gibberish.

And, just btw, idealists with impossible dream
worlds to promote have brought about millions of
deaths.

Your role as foot soldier for yet another is of
questional wisdom.

I suppose if one lives in a state of comfort and ease, oblivious of the suffering of millions in far off countries then yes it would be nonsense to such people. But I see my loved ones trapped in oppression and I see the suffering up close so I don’t feel it’s nonsense as it affects my family directly. And I don’t think it’s idealistic to teach Buddhists who once were renowned for their non violence to be educated to be non violent again.

Once Buddhists wouldn’t harm a fly, now they commit genocide against the Rohingya and the Burmese. So my wife and family and her family over in Burma living under oppression want to be free. But it’s all ‘nonsense’ to those unaffected.

 

[F1fan]

I suppose if one lives in a state of comfort and ease, oblivious of the suffering of millions in far off countries then yes it would be nonsense to such people. But I see my loved ones trapped in oppression and I see the suffering up close so I don’t feel it’s nonsense as it affects my family directly. And I don’t think it’s idealistic to teach Buddhists who once were renowned for their non violence to be educated to be non violent again.

They still are. Buddhists are historically pretty well behaved.

Once Buddhists wouldn’t harm a fly, now they commit genocide against the Rohingya and the Burmese. So my wife and family and her family over in Burma living under oppression want to be free. But it’s all ‘nonsense’ to those unaffected.

See how easy it is for lessons taught to not sink in when primal motives take over? What guaratees your religion would do better on a global scale? Why hasn't it made a bigger impact on world peace? There have been two world wars since your religion started.

Thus far you haven't offered any answer how violent people will be reached and stop being violent. Would you support putting violent people in concentration camps if they cause too many disruptions? What is your plan, because there will be trouble makers, agreed?

 

[loverofhumanity]

You seem to assume that all humans are the same, and have an ideal mental health. You never say anything about those who have mental disorders and can't be taught to behave as if they are normal. You also seem to overlook the role poverty plays. Are ou in favor of communism so that everyone can have their needs covered, thus no poverty? And you will need to eliminate wealth as those who seek wealth will take away resources that are needed to help the needy.

I agree there are those who have mental diseases like Hitler but the followers are basically conned and brainwashed. Same with wars today. Why do armies agree to fight and kill? Yes again I agree that poverty is a major issue but again education in a trade, art or skill can help greatly to gain employment not handouts which all they do is control people.

Education in peace, tolerance and education in a skill, art or trade in order to earn a living instead of dependancy and handouts. So much can be accomplished through education. A new culture of peaceful people and people with jobs.

 

[Echogem222]

Today humanity is beset with many strifes, conflicts and wars and I believe that the only solution to ending these conflicts over time is for all people to be educated in the home, school, university and workplace to love all humanity unconditionally. It will take time but it is the only ideology which I firmly believe can defeat war, hatred, prejudice and terrorism because it has been proven that over time peace treaties, pacts and covenants eventually fail and war re-emerges unless there is true peace between individuals.

I‘m claiming this to be the main solution to ending war so it is a debate. What do you think?

Though I agree with you that the correct answer is for everyone to love each other, people still need a reason to love each other, a meaning that gives them that sense of purpose... and that is where I believe there will be many disagreements on how people should go about that, because if the reason why we should love each other is flawed somehow, then that could cause people with that reason to inflict harm to themselves or others.

For example, if someone understands that they should love others, but is suffering horribly, how much love should they express to others? How should they balance that out with their own suffering? Why should they care about themselves? How should they deal with anger they might feel? How should they deal with sadness? Why should they deal with those things at all?... So many questions.

 

[F1fan]

I agree there are those who have mental diseases like Hitler but the followers are basically conned and brainwashed. Same with wars today. Why do armies agree to fight and kill? Yes again I agree that poverty is a major issue but again education in a trade, art or skill can help greatly to gain employment not handouts which all they do is control people.

You evaded the question of what to do about the mentally ill and those who suffer disorders.

If you could go back in time to Germany in the early 1930's how would you stop Hitler and the rise of the Nazi party? Do you understand why so many Germans were attracted to him?

Education in peace, tolerance and education in a skill, art or trade in order to earn a living instead of dependancy and handouts. So much can be accomplished through education. A new culture of peaceful people and people with jobs.

So maintain the rat race where competition is required? That means disappointed people, and those who just lack skill to earn a living. So ust tough ****, no handouts? How is that love?

Again you seem naive that all humans are equal.

 

[loverofhumanity]

They still are. Buddhists are historically pretty well behaved.

See how easy it is for lessons taught to not sink in when primal motives take over? What guaratees your religion would do better on a global scale? Why hasn't it made a bigger impact on world peace? There have been two world wars since your religion started.

Thus far you haven't offered any answer how violent people will be reached and stop being violent. Would you support putting violent people in concentration camps if they cause too many disruptions? What is your plan, because there will be trouble makers, agreed?

This thread is not about any religion but about us all learning or being taught that the whole world is our nationality so to speak so that there are no grounds for demonising anyone on any grounds.

Doesn’t the Middle East need this urgently where we hear too often that we in the west are considered as Satan or infidels? What if they incorporated into their education system in all the Middle East to love all humanity and got rid of the infidel bit? What do you think would happen? Would we be more prone to peace or war?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Though I agree with you that the correct answer is for everyone to love each other, people still need a reason to love each other, a meaning that gives them that sense of purpose... and that is where I believe there will be many disagreements on how people should go about that, because if the reason why we should love each other is flawed somehow, then that could cause people with that reason to inflict harm to themselves or others.

For example, if someone understands that they should love others, but is suffering horribly, how much love should they express to others? How should they balance that out with their own suffering? Why should they care about themselves? How should they deal with anger they might feel? How should they deal with sadness? Why should they deal with those things at all?... So many questions.

What about our common humanity be the foundation?

 

[Nakosis]

I suppose if one lives in a state of comfort and ease, oblivious of the suffering of millions in far off countries then yes it would be nonsense to such people. But I see my loved ones trapped in oppression and I see the suffering up close so I don’t feel it’s nonsense as it affects my family directly. And I don’t think it’s idealistic to teach Buddhists who once were renowned for their non violence to be educated to be non violent again.

Once Buddhists wouldn’t harm a fly, now they commit genocide against the Rohingya and the Burmese. So my wife and family and her family over in Burma living under oppression want to be free. But it’s all ‘nonsense’ to those unaffected.

How do you teach someone to love unconditionally?