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Who were the Magi?
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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Ajax
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I hope you do realize that astrology is a pseudoscience, right?
Dimi95
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Matthew invented the Magi from Dio Cassius writings? Can you prove this?
Ebionite
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Scientism is of no value here.
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Ajax
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No I can not prove it, nobody can prove that Matthew didn't fly to the moon either, but most of the indications needed are in my message #12.
Modern Biblical scholarship believe that the magi story is a complete fabrication.
Dimi95
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The noted is irrelevant.
I just find it odd that a 1st century writer copied from late 2nd century writer.
You can share some here if you like.
Ajax
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Is of no value to you probably. That's OK, but common sense and experiments have sentenced astrology many centuries ago, to be no more than a myth.
Ajax
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I'm aware of that, but the story must have been written before. Dio Cassius published a Roman History in 80 books and he writes that he spent ten years in collecting all the achievements of the Romans from the beginning down to the death of Severus, and twelve years more in composing his work.
Ajax
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I will only tell you that Fr. Dwight Longenecker, a catholic priest, writer and speaker who has written a book trying to prove that the Magi story can be true, says: "For the majority of Biblical scholars, to say you are on a quest to identify the three wise men is like saying to an English professor you are on a search for the historical Peter Pan."
Dimi95
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Ok i can accept that , but you need to demonstrate how the writer of Matthew could've accesed Ancient Roman literature.
As far as i know Roman schools were for rich boys.
You need also to demonstrate that the writer of Matthew was Roman citizen , since there is no way he could've known what you assumed.
I have seen most of his work , but i think there are more questions to be asked regarding Matthew.
Ajax
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"A model for the homage of the Magi might have been provided, it has been suggested, by the journey to Rome of King Tiridates I of Armenia, with his magi, to pay homage to the Emperor Nero, which took place in AD 66, a few years before the date assigned to the composition of the Gospel of Matthew."
Biblical Magi - Wikipedia
Dimi95
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What is the argument here?
How is the writter of Matthew connected to that?
Dimi95
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I don't rely on assigned date just like that.
How is it that the Gospel of Matthew was written around 70AD?
Ajax
Active Member
Never mind, leave it, or see my message #12
Ajax
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Again never mind if you don't rely..
From ChatGPT...
The exact date of the composition of the Gospel of Matthew is a subject of scholarly debate, and there is no consensus among biblical scholars. However, it is generally believed to have been written between the late 1st century AD and the early 2nd century AD.
Some scholars propose that Matthew's Gospel was composed in the 70s or 80s AD, while others suggest a later date, perhaps in the 90s AD or even early in the 2nd century AD. The uncertainty surrounding the dating of the Gospel of Matthew is due to a variety of factors, including analysis of its literary style, theological themes, and historical context.
Dimi95
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I have already seen it.
Was it public only in Rome or through the whole Roman empire?
I am just skeptic about some conclusions and i ask questions.
Dimi95
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Then why no one mentioned Paul' death ? Why conscpicuously absent is his death ? The single most important event to culminate Paul' ministry, why did nobody wrote about it ?
Ajax
Active Member
It was customary for Romans in the 1st century AD to announce significant events and meetings with foreign dignitaries, including heads of state, to the empire. The dissemination of news about diplomatic encounters and interactions with other nations was an important aspect of Roman governance and foreign relations. These announcements could cover a wide range of topics, including military victories, public works projects, imperial succession, religious ceremonies, meetings with head of states and decrees issued by the emperor. The dissemination of news was facilitated by various means of communication, such as couriers, messengers, official decrees posted in public places, and the circulation of imperial coins and inscriptions throughout the empire.
Perhaps because nobody in the Roman empire cared? Here we have the four gospels which are the cornerstone of the religion and we don't know when and who wrote them.
I would appreciate it though if you stop asking constantly questions and do your own search. Thank you.