Are you a Zionist

[Bthoth]

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I became a Zionist from reading about the psychological warfare Hitler was playing on Mussolini and Italy and the ghost of Mussolini told me to. The Duce is my Pope, so what he says goes lol. Hitler invited Mussolini to visit him and was his personal maid, making sure Mussolini had the perfect recliner to rest his feet, make sure he was cozy and made the temperature just right, made sure he had the right books, some flowers, some goldfish or ornamental pets, the right food and beverages, then listened to Hitler rant about how the Jewish Talmud says Jesus is boiling in excrement. Hitler wanted to seem like savior friend of Christianity.

Mussolini responded that he chose his own personal Jewish orthodox dentist and his household is open to Jewish children to play with his kids after school. Most Jews are just like other every day people, they don't hate Christians, neither do they choose to preach that the Talmud is the "inspired, inerrant, word of God", or that it was Jesus of Nazareth that the Talmud was even referring to. Plus Mussolini thought that Jews made the best comedians, some of the best writers, and some of the best propaganda artists, and there were Jews in the highest ranks of the Roman Fascist party. Rachele Mussolini and Benito came up with a plan to eventually establish laws against Jews in writing to please Germans, but not actually enforce them and keep Italy a relatively safe place for Jews to flee to).

(In fact, one reason Mussolini sided with Hitler was Hitler was threatening to invade Italy, and the Jews were better under Mussolini, plus the Duce could grab some land so it didn't all fall to the Nazis.)

If you read Rachel Mussolini's book (the woman who knew him since he was 7) Benito was actually a Zionist who was trying to establish the state of Israel after his conquest of the Ethiopian Empire, but ran into a financial and political stumbling block with American Capitalists, and American Jews didn't seem to like Mussolini being involved, so the plan was foiled.

I like the nation of Israel, (just some Jews don't like me and that's fine, and yes, I have met them, prayed with them, and have been invited to their "Temple") because I believe there needs to be one country on earth where that branch of Abrahamic monotheism can keep it's Hebrew identity. I also think it's cool that they have a Mennorah as their coat of arms and a Hebrew prayer shawl as their flag. I just don't like how secular the nation is. I just wish they were more Jewish (but I guess that's none of my business ).
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Good for you; judaism is not zionism.

judaism is a good account of personal responsibility.

Zionism is about a central location, an authority.

 

[RabbiO]

@River Sea -

You seem to be unaware that Good-Ole-Rebel has not been on the forum for 3 1/2 years. It is highly unlikely that you will receive a response to your query. You also seem unaware that @rosends is an Orthodox rabbi, which makes your questions to him regarding Jesus returning, how shall I put it, more than a little odd.

A final word about @Spiderman - Whatever else one might think about him or about his ideas, he has always had the courage to be open and honest about his struggles with severe mental illness. He is, however, not usually the best source for connecting the dots.

 

[Bthoth]

@River Sea -

You seem to be unaware that Good-Ole-Rebel has not been on the forum for 3 1/2 years. It is highly unlikely that you will receive a response to your query. You also seem unaware that @rosends is an Orthodox rabbi, which makes your questions to him regarding Jesus returning, how shall I put it, more than a little odd.

A final word about @Spiderman - Whatever else one might think about him or about his ideas, he has always had the courage to be open and honest about his struggles with severe mental illness. He is, however, not usually the best source for connecting the dots.

That's two, trying very nicely, to leave the thread in the past.

River, there is a hint there! @River Sea

Apparently, even the locals are aware that zionism is not Judaism. I learned this am that I need to remember my capital and small case usage is relevant to word meaning.

 

[rosends]

That's two, trying very nicely, to leave the thread in the past.

River, there is a hint there! @River Sea

Apparently, even the locals are aware that zionism is not Judaism. I learned this am that I need to remember my capital and small case usage is relevant to word meaning.

for the concept of Zionism, it isn't as much about the capital as it is about the actual name of the movement because there are so many kinds of Zionism. Modern, political Zionism might be said to have a lesser connection to Judaism (not none, though) but certain types of Zionism are synonymous with Judaism.

 

[Bthoth]

for the concept of Zionism, it isn't as much about the capital as it is about the actual name of the movement because there are so many kinds of Zionism. Modern, political Zionism might be said to have a lesser connection to Judaism (not none, though) but certain types of Zionism are synonymous with Judaism.

Sure the actual term is about zion (the fortress/the mount). It's the root of the middle east conflict. The zionist (migrants) must have that site and the locals, will not have it.

I am well aware and I am not the only one. Now the site is a UNESCO heritage site (untouchable).

I used to think it must remain, just because of the age of the old building but after time and research I have come to realize, that I cannot be the only person, that comprehends why there is so much violence over that stupid place.

I used to debate that the 'holy of holies' is 'the name' of god not a location on the earth. But then I bumped into a couple rabbi like you, that DID NOT like me for having such an opinion. I was causing dissent to honor 'the name' over a location that so many pray about ............ 'the city of blood' Which is technically the fortress (zion) not the larger 'city' or illegal capital of the current time period.

Now even the mormons consider their central church as 'zion'. In the center is a big bath tube on the backs of bulls (ox) claimed to represent the 12 tribes.

To be honest, that location for the unveiling will not be in Israel. The unveiling of 'the name ' the 'holy of holies' and the gathering of the 12 will enable what is real but not be in israel.

 

[rosends]

Sure the actual term is about zion (the fortress/the mount). It's the root of the middle east conflict. The zionist (migrants) must have that site and the locals, will not have it.

No, the actual term is about the concept of Tziyon (transliterated into "Zion") but that isn't a fortress or a mount. If you are talking about the temple mount, Israel handed control of it over to the waqf a long time ago.

 

[Colt]

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I became a Zionist from reading about the psychological warfare Hitler was playing on Mussolini and Italy and the ghost of Mussolini told me to. The Duce is my Pope, so what he says goes lol. Hitler invited Mussolini to visit him and was his personal maid, making sure Mussolini had the perfect recliner to rest his feet, make sure he was cozy and made the temperature just right, made sure he had the right books, some flowers, some goldfish or ornamental pets, the right food and beverages, then listened to Hitler rant about how the Jewish Talmud says Jesus is boiling in excrement. Hitler wanted to seem like savior friend of Christianity.

Mussolini responded that he chose his own personal Jewish orthodox dentist and his household is open to Jewish children to play with his kids after school. Most Jews are just like other every day people, they don't hate Christians, neither do they choose to preach that the Talmud is the "inspired, inerrant, word of God", or that it was Jesus of Nazareth that the Talmud was even referring to. Plus Mussolini thought that Jews made the best comedians, some of the best writers, and some of the best propaganda artists, and there were Jews in the highest ranks of the Roman Fascist party. Rachele Mussolini and Benito came up with a plan to eventually establish laws against Jews in writing to please Germans, but not actually enforce them and keep Italy a relatively safe place for Jews to flee to).

(In fact, one reason Mussolini sided with Hitler was Hitler was threatening to invade Italy, and the Jews were better under Mussolini, plus the Duce could grab some land so it didn't all fall to the Nazis.)

If you read Rachel Mussolini's book (the woman who knew him since he was 7) Benito was actually a Zionist who was trying to establish the state of Israel after his conquest of the Ethiopian Empire, but ran into a financial and political stumbling block with American Capitalists, and American Jews didn't seem to like Mussolini being involved, so the plan was foiled.

I like the nation of Israel, (just some Jews don't like me and that's fine, and yes, I have met them, prayed with them, and have been invited to their "Temple") because I believe there needs to be one country on earth where that branch of Abrahamic monotheism can keep it's Hebrew identity. I also think it's cool that they have a Mennorah as their coat of arms and a Hebrew prayer shawl as their flag. I just don't like how secular the nation is. I just wish they were more Jewish (but I guess that's none of my business ).
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I keep in touch with the Christadelphian community, they believe the Torah is inspired and practically worship the Jewish people! I've encountered a couple CD's that went so far as to convert to Judaism and somewhat abandon the idea that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah. But they aren't "political", don't vote and don't serve in the military. So they wouldn't support the Zionist Nationalist movement, rather they are waiting for the Messiah to establish what would be a theocracy i guess?

 

[Bthoth]

No, the actual term is about the concept of Tziyon (transliterated into "Zion") but that isn't a fortress or a mount.

Of course, you must have forgot:



According to the Book of Samuel, Mount Zion was the site of the Jebusite fortress called the "stronghold of Zion" that was conquered by King David, then renamed and partially rebuilt by him as the "City of David" .

The location of the temple of solomon

Once the First Temple was erected at the top of the Eastern Hill, the name "Mount Zion" migrated there too. After the conquest of the Jebusite city, its built-up area expanded northward towards the uppermost part of the same, Eastern Hill. This highest part became the site of Solomon's Temple.

If you are talking about the temple mount, Israel handed control of it over to the waqf a long time ago.

I m well aware of that but even that big bibi nutlessyahoo, has a drawing of the temple to be built there behind his desk.

Temple institute and the rabbi'd glick intend to build on that mount. He has been instrumental in inciting violence at the gate between the freeloading settlers and the locals.


That violence is what I find set off the 10/7 event as it continues to reoccur but the Jews cannot stop the extremist from constantly terrorizing the locals.

 

[rosends]

Of course, you must have forgot:

You must have forgotten that you wrote " the actual term is about zion (the fortress/the mount)" But the actual term isn't. While the word is used to refer to a variety of objects and places, that doesn't make every one of those things what the term zionism is about.

I m well aware of that but even that big bibi nutlessyahoo, has a drawing of the temple to be built there behind his desk.

Temple institute and the rabbi'd glick intend to build on that mount. He has been instrumental in inciting violence at the gate between the freeloading settlers and the locals.


That violence is what I find set off the 10/7 event as it continues to reoccur but the Jews cannot stop the extremist from constantly terrorizing the locals.

we have plans and aspirations for a third temple but you do realize that control of the mount was given, voluntarily, to the waqf a while ago, right? You know that Jews were forbidden from praying there and even going up there takes special protection for Jews and there are places where Jews may not go up there, right?

That you use your ignorance as a launching point for your ridiculous conclusions and blame placing is shameful.

 

[Bthoth]

You must have forgotten that you wrote " the actual term is about zion (the fortress/the mount)" But the actual term isn't. While the word is used to refer to a variety of objects and places, that doesn't make every one of those things what the term zionism is about.

isaiah 60:14

we have plans and aspirations for a third temple but you do realize that control of the mount was given, voluntarily, to the waqf a while ago, right?

Jerusalem is not israel, per the UN. Israel is not giving anything to the hashemite, royal family of jordan (waqf)

You know that Jews were forbidden from praying there and even going up there takes special protection for Jews and there are places where Jews may not go up there, right?

Jews go there constantly with armed Ignorant DUMB ***** (IDF) giving them way. Do you need pictures? Are you that divested from israel to have no idea of the violence that the terrorists (extremist settlers) commit about every other week at that location?

Again, i know what the divide is about and why I have a focus on the problem.

That you use your ignorance as a launching point for your ridiculous conclusions and blame placing is shameful.

The shame is watching you write denial of facts, just to defend your position.

But perhaps I should have a bit of empathy that you are unaware and just learning the key problems

 

[rosends]

isaiah 60:14

that doesn't change anything. There are many instances of the phrase but that doesn't change the meaning of the term.

Jerusalem is not israel, per the UN. Israel is not giving anything to the hashemite, royal family of jordan (waqf)

Jeruslaem is Israel, in fact it is the capital of Israel and it allows the waqf to manage certain sites

Jerusalem Islamic Waqf

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Jews go there constantly with armed Ignorant DUMB ***** (IDF) giving them way. Do you need pictures? Are you that divested from israel to have no idea of the violence that the terrorists (extremist settlers) commit about every other week at that location?

Wow, you really know nothing about life in Jerusalem. You just make things up.

What to Know About Jerusalem’s Temple Mount and the Status Quo Agreement

The Temple Mount, known in Hebrew as “Har HaBayit,” located in the Old City of Jerusalem, is considered one of the holiest sites in Judaism and Islam, and is central to the Christian Gospels. It is also known as Haram al-Sharif in Islam, which means "The Noble Sanctuary." For decades it has been...

www.ajc.org

And why are you talking about "settlers" on the temple mount?

Again, i know what the divide is about and why I have a focus on the problem.

The shame is watching you write denial of facts, just to defend your position.

But perhaps I should have a bit of empathy that you are unaware and just learning the key problems

I have, repeatedly, shown you evidence that your statements are wrong. You keep moving away and seem to be hampered by a lack of comprehension. If you tried to learn something instead of rejecting any statement that flies in the face of your preconceived foolishness, you'd do better in life.

 

[Bthoth]

that doesn't change anything. There are many instances of the phrase but that doesn't change the meaning of the term.

That is my point exactly. You can use it to define pork chops but that does not change what sion is, a location.

Jeruslaem is Israel, in fact it is the capital of Israel and it allows the waqf to manage certain sites

Jerusalem Islamic Waqf

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Jerusalem is an illegally occupied territory of israel. As in writing by the UN. The UN is what created the state of israel.

See UN RES 181, 476, 478 and 2334 just off the top of my head. The legal documents exist.

Wow, you really know nothing about life in Jerusalem.

I have no desire to visit that 'city of blood' (biblical description Ezek 22)

And why are you talking about "settlers" on the temple mount?

Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa Mosque complex on fifth day ...​

Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com › news › 2023/10 › israeli-s...



Oct 4, 2023 — Security beefed up as thousands of Israeli nationalists participate in the march amid fears of violence. Published On 18 May

202318 May 2023.

Note the date! Before 10/7

I have, repeatedly, shown you evidence that your statements are wrong. You keep moving away and seem to be hampered by a lack of comprehension. If you tried to learn something instead of rejecting any statement that flies in the face of your preconceived foolishness, you'd do better in life.

Did you see the dates of the attack on the mount.................. all before 10/7. Have you condemned the attacks, the violence and or the pursuit of the mount, which is required for the red heifer holocaust (burnt offering)?

 

[rosends]

That is my point exactly. You can use it to define pork chops but that does not change what sion is, a location.

Zion is a whole lot more than that.

Jerusalem is an illegally occupied territory of israel. As in writing by the UN. The UN is what created the state of israel.

No, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The UN voted to recognize Israel. It didn't create Israel. You need to learn history.

See UN RES 181, 476, 478 and 2334 just off the top of my head. The legal documents exist.

I have no desire to visit that 'city of blood' (biblical description Ezek 22)

You just prefer to speak from ignorance. Got it.

Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa Mosque complex on fifth day ...​

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Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com › news › 2023/10 › israeli-s...



Oct 4, 2023 — Security beefed up as thousands of Israeli nationalists participate in the march amid fears of violence. Published On 18 May

202318 May 2023.

Note the date! Before 10/7

Note that it says "fears of violence" and the article doesn't substantiate any claims of "settlers". But I laugh at (and I did when the article was first published... it made the rounds as a hilarious show of stupidity) the fear of "talmudic rituals". It mentions no attack, just people walking. What should be condemned? The urge to pray at a holy site?

 

[Spiderman]

I was not sober when I made this thread, and only did because at the time I was reading the writings of Rachel Mussolini (the name of means Rachel jacob, Mussolini means Jacob, who became Israel, all Israelites , as a semetic bloodline,
descend from Jacob, and his son's and grandsons being the 12 tribes of Israel.),

the second wife of Jacob was rachel, Rachel Mussolini has my birthday.

Jackie Lee Kennedy means Jacob and leah, Leah was the other bride of Jacob. JFK went by John + Jack, a book is written about his fatal head wound and his return as the beast, (the beast rises from a fatal head wound and the world goes after the beast)

Benito had a head wound, a woman that shot him point blank in the head , and he didn't even charge her with a misdemeanor, saved her life, sent her to the UK.

Heroic forgiveness most christians lack.

He had a Jewish mistress who was his "shadow mistress," the public believed she was his wife, because they shared the same bed for 20 years, and her actual legal husband was named Caesar,

... Rachel, his legal wife was not photographed with him, did not support him being a politician. His Jewish mistress worked miracles for him and made his march on Rome without bloodshed, a success.

and it was his mistress who made him , unity, and the economy miraculously successful before he caved into peer pressure and betrayed her.

He was the first military enemy of Hitler, stalling the annexation of Austria with troops on the border, calling upon the Allies to help him stop, and stalled the annexation of czechoslovakia, but with them and the Soviets in an alliance and the conquest of France , czechoslovakia, and Poland, decided with the enemy that would easily conquer him as a survival tactic.

His mistress was trying to get him to be Cyrus, the genuine messiah that Jews accepted in the old testament, who created Israel, built the temple (God calls him "messiah, anointed one", yet he only prayed to idols, Babylon the great, inanna, queen of heaven, mother of harlots, being his chief idol (yet Yahweh calls him messiah, deliverer, anointed one, savior) and blessed him .

Cyrus the Great made it as safe to be a Jew in Israel as in Iraq, Iran, or any place in his empire (which was the biggest empire in history up until then.)

With his creation of the temple, his creation of israel, and his instituting laws to protect abrahamic monotheist, he is called by many historians the savior of abrahamic monotheism.

He was actually a peacemaker and Jesus was not. He fulfilled many of the prophecies of the Messiah that Jesus did not.

He made it extreme enemies who wanted to exterminate each other into friends and family.

The enemies of Cyrus said that they were glad that they lost to him and were colonized by him, because they said he treats his enemies who belong to religions that hate his deities, treats them like they are not second best.

He treats all like his children.

Cyrus means sun, and Jacob was the Sun in Joseph's prophetic dream of the sun, the moon, and the Stars bowing before him.

The sun of God.

It was my interest in Cyrus the Great as the most amazing peacemaker actually called a messiah despite being a total idolater, that gave me hope, that would inspire a thread like this.

But I am serious about sobriety now.

 

[Spiderman]

But a man did say that he learned a lot from this thread, so if I create a thread that is entertaining, or something that somebody learns a lot from, then I don't think I wasted my time.

Although reviewing what I said on the first page of this thread, I am currently embarrassed by it and can see I was not sober.


But apparently somebody has benefited from it, so that means I don't regret it

The laughs are on me gentlemen and ladies.

Google, "Jacob fought with God."

 

[Bthoth]

Zion is a whole lot more than that.

Sure..... i guess there is a whole list and all venerated.

No, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

not by the majority on the earth. But nice story

The UN voted to recognize Israel. It didn't create Israel. You need to learn history.

I guess you have a point, terrorism created israel.

You just prefer to speak from ignorance. Got it.

Of course, you can attack and impose insults but I am not like you

Note that it says "fears of violence" and the article doesn't substantiate any claims of "settlers". But I laugh at (and I did when the article was first published... it made the rounds as a hilarious show of stupidity) the fear of "talmudic rituals". It mentions no attack, just people walking. What should be condemned? The urge to pray at a holy site?

According to Jewish law, entering any part of the Al Aqsa Mosque compound, also known as the Temple Mount, is forbidden for Jews due to the sacred nature of the site.

Sukkot is a weeklong holiday, which started on September 29 and will continue until Friday.

Israeli settlers stormed the complex on Wednesday in groups through the al-Mughrabi Gate by the Western Wall near Al-Aqsa Mosque and attempted to perform “Talmudic rituals”, according to a Waqf official.

Police imposed age restrictions and prevented young Palestinians from entering the mosque during the incursions, witnesses told the Anadolu news agency.

The Israeli army forced Palestinians to shut down their stores in the Old City to allow Jewish prayers to take place. The Palestinian Wafa news agency reported that Israeli forces prevented a number of Waqf employees from entering the holy Islamic site in the morning.

Jewish men prostrate on the ground in prayer outside the gate of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, also known as Temple Mount in occupied East Jerusalem [Menahem Kahana/AFP]

Spitting arrests​

Meanwhile, Israeli police on Wednesday arrested five people suspected of spitting towards Christians or churches in the Old City of Jerusalem and formed a special investigative team to deal with growing complaints of hostile gestures against Christians.

“Unfortunately, we witness the continued disgraceful acts of hatred towards Christians in the Old City of Jerusalem, primarily through spitting by extremists,” said Jerusalem District Commander Doron Turgeman on Wednesday.

......



“The government of Israel including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other officials quickly condemned the spitting incidents, saying they had no place in Israel. However, other figures in the ultranationalist Israeli movement said that actually spitting at Christians is a legitimate Jewish tradition with a long history,” Reynolds said.






So which tradition do you support?



Here is another article:

Israeli forces attack Palestinian worshippers at Al-Aqsa Mosque​

Dozens of Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa Mosque on last day of Rosh Hashanah under the protection of occupation forces, the latter assaulting Palestinian worshippers.

 

[rosends]

not by the majority on the earth. But nice story

Facts don't look for popularity.

I guess you have a point, terrorism created israel.

Actually, England allowed the people in the region to set up governments. Israel did. Arabs didn't. Are you going to keep guessing dumb things?

Of course, you can attack and impose insults but I am not like you

Nothing like me. For example, I'm educated.

According to Jewish law, entering any part of the Al Aqsa Mosque compound, also known as the Temple Mount, is forbidden for Jews due to the sacred nature of the site.

No, that isn't actually true. But because you know nothing of Judaism and get your information form poorly written opinion pieces on Al Jazeera, you will never learn.

Sukkot is a weeklong holiday, which started on September 29 and will continue until Friday.

Israeli settlers stormed the complex on Wednesday in groups through the al-Mughrabi Gate by the Western Wall near Al-Aqsa Mosque and attempted to perform “Talmudic rituals”, according to a Waqf official.

yup, still hilarious.

Jewish men prostrate on the ground in prayer outside the gate of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, also known as Temple Mount in occupied East Jerusalem [Menahem Kahana/AFP]

and you think that Jews shouldn't be given freedom of religion so their praying is a bad thing. Got it. Only Muslims are allowed to pray.

Spitting arrests​

Meanwhile, Israeli police on Wednesday arrested five people suspected of spitting towards Christians or churches in the Old City of Jerusalem and formed a special investigative team to deal with growing complaints of hostile gestures against Christians.

“Unfortunately, we witness the continued disgraceful acts of hatred towards Christians in the Old City of Jerusalem, primarily through spitting by extremists,” said Jerusalem District Commander Doron Turgeman on Wednesday.

......



“The government of Israel including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other officials quickly condemned the spitting incidents, saying they had no place in Israel. However, other figures in the ultranationalist Israeli movement said that actually spitting at Christians is a legitimate Jewish tradition with a long history,” Reynolds said.

so people were arrested. Are you against that? Are you supporting the Israeli government that arrested them? OK, then we agree. Israeli government=good. Thanks for the confirmation.

So which tradition do you support?

do you even know the choices. If I gave you a whole discussion of what "tradition" means in Judaism, you'd be lost before the first polysyllabic word.

Here is another article:

Israeli forces attack Palestinian worshippers at Al-Aqsa Mosque​

Dozens of Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa Mosque on last day of Rosh Hashanah under the protection of occupation forces, the latter assaulting Palestinian worshippers.

nothing in that article says that "settlers" were violent. It does use the loaded language of "incursion" and "storm" and it makes it clear that Jews are not welcome on the temple mount. I guess that's the kind of world you prefer -- where people don't have the right to pray at their holy sites. OK.

 

[Spiderman]

Zion is a whole lot more than that.

No, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. The UN voted to recognize Israel. It didn't create Israel. You need to learn history.

You just prefer to speak from ignorance. Got it.

Note that it says "fears of violence" and the article doesn't substantiate any claims of "settlers". But I laugh at (and I did when the article was first published... it made the rounds as a hilarious show of stupidity) the fear of "talmudic rituals". It mentions no attack, just people walking. What should be condemned? The urge to pray at a holy site?

You bring up a valid point about that being a very sacred location to the Jews. Could you explain more about the sacredness of the site to Jews from a Jewish perspective.

I do indeed know what I've read, but to hear it from an Orthodox Jew is important for everyone, especially those who believe somehow Jews defile a place by making pilgrimage to a place sacred to Jews before Christianity, long before Islam.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Spiderman]

".. it made the rounds as a hilarious show of stupidity) the fear of "talmudic rituals". It mentions no attack, just people walking. What should be condemned? The urge to pray at a holy site?"

I didn't laugh, but I appreciate your choice of words and the notion of "Talmudic rituals", mildly amusing.

Thanks! That made my day sort of. Definitely something to go on a witch hunt and start an inquisition over, no?

 

[Spiderman]

I was joking for those who think I'm serious about Talmudic rituals being related to witchcraft, cult related, or abominations , but my sympathies for Hamas are that they victimize Palestinian Muslims more than anyone , and are the greatest enemies of the prophet and religion they cherish.

They are miserable, poisoned, often raised to be vicious, with some exceptions of virtue, ethics, and human decency, charity, golden rule, but those exceptions seem to be very rare.

The pharaoh was the one who Hagar and Ishmael descended from, and later on it was also a pharaoh who was a pagan God in the theology of the egyptians, ruler of the only superpower on earth, who treated his Hebrew slave joseph, as the best thing that ever happenes to him, ...

....why can't Arabs and Jews live like that...?

...and the best thing that ever happened to Joseph was becoming the slave of a pagan god, because by that happening, it saved the greatest superpower in all of the surrounding nations in time of famine.

Pharaoh told those who went to him "go to joseph", and placed Joseph, his Hebrew slave ( who was a convicted sexual offender against an Egyptian woman,) he placed him in charge of his household and all of his possessions.

The Babylonian empire was an Arab Mesopotamian empire, and the king of Babylon in Iraq was Cyrus the great, who was venerated and accepted as the Messiah by jews, and even God in the book of Isaiah calls him the messiah, the savior, the anointed one , the liberator, the deliverer.

The Arabs were the greatest and often only superpower empires on Earth, before islam or Christianity, who were the envy of everyone (back when their theology was the most female dominant polytheism, and was far from bigoted compared to Islam")

I felt like the prophet told me he prefers Israelis, because they don't make his religion look as bad as Hamas or the terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, or the bigotry that is used to victimize Arabs more than anyone else by far.

Interesting idolatry is supposed to be so evil, yet the countries that do the most to demonize idolatry are the Nations that are the least envied nations, Nations where life is extremely frightening and they die fleeing illegally to pagan Europe,

...Nations where policies are so bigoted they often do not have churches or synagogues legally, and gang raping or sexually assaulting unveiled women, or arresting them, most common these days in those regions with the least idolatry, where it is most frowned on. It makes me wonder how evil could idolatry be?

Repeatedly the Quran says that Allah is the most compassionate and the most merciful, yet the least compassionate and least merciful religious regions of the world to live, are not Hindu, Buddhist, or christian, but Muslim, as an overwhelming general rule consistently.

How many nations in the world right now, how many Christian or Jewish or Buddhist or Hindu Nations outlaw mosques?

Can you think of one currently?

How many Muslims Nations outlaw any house of worship that is not Muslim. The very Capital that they have to make pilgrimage to as the holiest Nation in Islam, is just one.

their holy Land and many , 100s of millions of people without free speech or freedom of religion because of Islamic government and laws.

To call that 1st place in 21st century religious bigotry , is a huge understatement.

Calling your God "most compassionate, most merciful", is repeatedly in the Quran....it should mean that he's more compassionate and merciful than the average atheist or idolater, but in the 21st century , I have seen all of the evidence from his followers, that the vast vast majority of violence in the world with religion as its motive, is coming from one religion , the one that claims to follow the most compassionate, the most merciful entity, creator.

Does anyone think that looks beyond strange, ludicrous, irrational, hypocrisy, like they are debunking their claim about the nature of God , or straight up opposing him?

Sure..... i guess there is a whole list and all venerated.

not by the majority on the earth. But nice story

I guess you have a point, terrorism created israel.

Of course, you can attack and impose insults but I am not like you

According to Jewish law, entering any part of the Al Aqsa Mosque compound, also known as the Temple Mount, is forbidden for Jews due to the sacred nature of the site.

Sukkot is a weeklong holiday, which started on September 29 and will continue until Friday.

Israeli settlers stormed the complex on Wednesday in groups through the al-Mughrabi Gate by the Western Wall near Al-Aqsa Mosque and attempted to perform “Talmudic rituals”, according to a Waqf official.

Police imposed age restrictions and prevented young Palestinians from entering the mosque during the incursions, witnesses told the Anadolu news agency.

The Israeli army forced Palestinians to shut down their stores in the Old City to allow Jewish prayers to take place. The Palestinian Wafa news agency reported that Israeli forces prevented a number of Waqf employees from entering the holy Islamic site in the morning.

Jewish men prostrate on the ground in prayer outside the gate of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, also known as Temple Mount in occupied East Jerusalem [Menahem Kahana/AFP]

Spitting arrests​

Meanwhile, Israeli police on Wednesday arrested five people suspected of spitting towards Christians or churches in the Old City of Jerusalem and formed a special investigative team to deal with growing complaints of hostile gestures against Christians.

“Unfortunately, we witness the continued disgraceful acts of hatred towards Christians in the Old City of Jerusalem, primarily through spitting by extremists,” said Jerusalem District Commander Doron Turgeman on Wednesday.

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“The government of Israel including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other officials quickly condemned the spitting incidents, saying they had no place in Israel. However, other figures in the ultranationalist Israeli movement said that actually spitting at Christians is a legitimate Jewish tradition with a long history,” Reynolds said.






So which tradition do you support?



Here is another article:

Israeli forces attack Palestinian worshippers at Al-Aqsa Mosque​

Dozens of Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa Mosque on last day of Rosh Hashanah under the protection of occupation forces, the latter assaulting Palestinian worshippers.