yuvgotmel & roli -- 1 on 1 discussion

[yuvgotmel]

Question/Topic #6: Mind Virus & Human Sacrifice

Because of the word limit, this is the second part of that post.

In your last posts, your words portrayed a victim-mentality.

Please briefly tell me why people are repelled and tell me what Jesus meant when he said," If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
Answer me this ,was Jesus repulsive in his satnding on and proclaiming the truth or was he not?

You have previously stated that the “new spirit” is occupying your body with you (so to speak) and is actively involved in the manipulation of your thoughts. Furthermore, in the quote above, in the context, in which you use that verse, it portrays Jesus as a victim.

The next quote from you displays a fear of uncertainty and death.

How is it that those who teach me are in error and you are'nt the one who is the fool and has been deceived. It goes both ways. Reasoning and philosophy may impress your peers, but when the truth is revealed, it may very well have been a poor investment on your part. Are you willing to stake your soul on it.Mar 8:36For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

Also, it is a tactic, like a hex, that some Christians do to cast fear and doubt into other people’s mindstreams. By the way, I am very content about the destiny of my soul. Are you?

The next quote from you is another oddity that projects self-rejection, while putting off those characteristics onto a thoughtform (by the name of Jesus).

There you go again sounding so sure of yourself ,setting yourself up on some intellectual pedestal as if you are untouchable. The spirit you have is of something ,but certainly not of God. You should know this Jhn 13:20 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me."

It is true: I do reject the characteristics and energies that you chose to fashion your god with.

I think more to the fact that the light of God's truht terrifies you, you ask yourself quite often ,what if God is true and Jesus Christ whom he sent, but you won't come to the light for fear your deeds,much like why a criminal won't hang out at a police station

...when was the last time that you looked in the mirror?...



Please refer to Post #20 for the initial part of this post. --Word Count was limited.
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[roli]

Question/Topic #6: Mind Virus & Human Sacrifice

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In your last posts, your words portrayed a victim-mentality.​

I could really care less as to whether I have been portrayed the victim,I stand on what I beleive and simply put, I defend what I believe.
The Christ of the bible and his teachings ,never have been nor will they ever be a favorite with the secular world,why !! because he takes a stance on "SIN" and righteousness,holiness,morality,purity ,I mean he sets the bar ,pretty high,and many of the carnalities of man obviously and vehemnetly will oppose,it's human nature.
I mean they crucified him,I mean the religious leaders,not the Romans,not to mention everyone that followed him.
That is his diciples,except John....,anyways!
This seems to be a typical response from you and those outside the
Christian faith.I am sorry to burst your bubble,as I often seem to do, but it goes both ways.Hard to admit on a public forum such as this.

I think you portray yourself in a way that, well ,to me appears somewhat high and lofty and somewhat overly confident and reliant on your own intelligence.
I mean you sound quite intelligent,but when you lay your head on the pillow at night and to yourself ,not amongst your support team here at the forum,are you comforted and prepared for death,do you know what is in the next life,because the christian knows he has eternal life.

So when you close your eyes in this life,will your intellect and vast array of knowledge ,from outside sources,I might add, give you what you invest in it.


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You have previously stated that the “new spirit” is occupying your body with you (so to speak) and is actively involved in the manipulation of your thoughts. Furthermore, in the quote above, in the context, in which you use that verse, it portrays Jesus as a victim.

The spirit of God is Holy, beyond what this world can comprehend.
There is a struggle in the heart and mind of believer's,because when a person becomes a Christian, the presence of God enter's in and that nature is so Holy, it wars with the flesh.
Why, because the new nature of God in the beiever desires to live in purity,love,forgiveness, moral.righteousness,holiness etc.
It can't but not be in opposition to the carnal appitites of man,for they are selfish,lustful,greedy,indulgant the flesh is still striving to dominate the body and spirit of man.
But ,oh the power of God through the Holy Spirit to overcome ,for those who choose to humble themselves and seek God



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The next quote from you displays a fear of uncertainty and death.

Quite the contrary,i personall have expereinced both sides of the fence.
Death was not the fear ,but the unknown had me deeply concerned ,that is until 10yrs ago when I was saved. Trust me,the fear of the next life is not a problem for me.

Also, it is a tactic, like a hex, that some Christians do to cast fear and doubt into other people’s mindstreams. By the way, I am very content about the destiny of my soul. Are you?

We don't do anything of the sort ,well some do preach the gospel with fire and brimestone,but to be honest ,it is Christ who does all theses so called "tactics" if you will.
Why is it that you and many always speak as if you think we wrote the bible.
We are the messengers,come ,don't you understand that principal.

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It is true: I do reject the characteristics and energies that you chose to fashion your god with.

You reject God, and serve the god of wisdom,nothing to do with me
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...when was the last time that you looked in the mirror?...

Everyday, to see if I resemble Jesus, he is my guide and the image I follow after.
What do you see when you look in the mirror,your vast knowledge,wisdom and pursuit of it.
That will pass away!!!!
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[yuvgotmel]

You wrote: I could really care less as to whether I have been portrayed the victim,I stand on what I beleive and simply put, I defend what I believe.

Roli, you set yourself up to be the victim, not I.

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You wrote: The Christ of the bible and his teachings ,never have been nor will they ever be a favorite with the secular world,why !! because he takes a stance on "SIN" and righteousness,holiness,morality,purity ,I mean he sets the bar ,pretty high,and many of the carnalities of man obviously and vehemnetly will oppose,it's human nature.

No religion has a patent on morality. That is such a huge farce. Some religious leaders attempt to sell Morality Cards as if morality is something authentic and unique to them alone. What a lie!

It’s the McDonald’s version of spirituality! It is fast food, fills the stomach, has no nutritional value, makes the eaters lazy, and establishes a thought (like a seed in the mind) which claims that “eating a single meal is the end-all of spiritual enlightenment.” What rubbish!

No wonder so many people keep asking “Can a serial killer get to heaven, if they repent right before execution?” The answer happens to be, in my belief, “No.”

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You wrote: I mean they crucified him,I mean the religious leaders,not the Romans,not to mention everyone that followed him.

This has got to be one of the most ironic things that some Christians preach. While some Christians constantly point fingers accusing everyone around them of murder, most people—except for the Christians—do not care if Jesus was killed or not. However, Christianity that hinges upon the sacrifice of Jesus and the “salvation” thereof. Therefore, who killed Jesus? It was not me.

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You wrote: I mean you sound quite intelligent,but when you lay your head on the pillow at night and to yourself ,not amongst your support team here at the forum,are you comforted and prepared for death,do you know what is in the next life,because the christian knows he has eternal life.

So when you close your eyes in this life,will your intellect and vast array of knowledge ,from outside sources,I might add, give you what you invest in it.

Intellect may or may not fade away; however whatever is in the heart will be revealed.

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You wrote: We don't do anything of the sort ,well some do preach the gospel with fire and brimestone,but to be honest ,it is Christ who does all theses so called "tactics" if you will.

It sounds like you are projecting again. Do you not take responsibility for your words and actions? Or do you excuse your behaviors through claiming spirit possession?

Deuteronomy 24:16: “Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.”

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You wrote: You reject God, and serve the god of wisdom,nothing to do with me

LOL… Are you saying that you and wisdom have nothing to do with each other?

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Roli, so far, you have skipped over quite a number of my questions/topics. You failed to address:

• my response to Question #3: Theocracy in Post # 8;
• my response to Question #2: Methodology of “Born Again” in Post # 10;
• Question #4: Sinning with the "spirit of God" in Post # 10;
• and the essay “The Psychological Effects of Communion” in Post # 20.

My guess is that those questions/topics were not addressed due to the unavailability of answers from the Q&A-quick-facts-and-answers-to-infidels pamphlet. Much, if not all, of what you have said in this entire thread sounds like a programmed recording. I have limited my Bible-quoting in order to simply talk to you. Speaking from your own experiences and words has more weight than continually parroting preachers. When was your last original thought? [Those things are not included in the Happy Meals that they give out on Sunday mornings.]

Let me ask you this, in addition to the questions you have yet to answer, when your heart stops beating, what will be the message displayed on the fabric of spacetime that the vibrations of your heart impressed upon it, as it sent out a constant signal to the world around you (while you are still in body)?

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51946

 

[roli]

Roli, so far, you have skipped over quite a number of my questions/topics. You failed to address:

• my response to Question #3: Theocracy in Post # 8;

My Original Question:
“…what purpose would it serve to have such an organic government (over a single-minded body of people) that acts as arbitrator and judge of “morality” as if to bring God to Earth?”
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Morality God's way leads to immortality
Eternity to those who choose to follow in it's legislation
Everything in this life is under some sort of arbitrator or judge regarding standards ,rules,laws,protocol's etc.
It's quite interesting to me that the only thing man seems to cling to in this life thinking it is his to do with as he see's fit, is his morality.
One must not look to far in society today to see man living in immorality
Is it any wonder why man vehemently refutes and opposes God and his arbitration

But the ironic thing is,the people under such rule still incorporate free will and choice.
Who are the single minded,christians or the whole of society ??

• my response to Question #2: Methodology of “Born Again” in Post # 10;

I believe I already answered this one,but to simplify this for you, when Jesus tried to explain this toNicodemus he could not understand it and this man was a teacher of the Jewish religion.
Man is a body (outer shell) Soul (mind will and emotions, or the seat of the affections) the spirit (is the life of man,inner man)
The spirit of God was placed in man,upon sinning ,the spirit of God ,the eternal life of God through the Holy Spirit vacated.
When man receives Christ they receive the breath of God ,or the spirit of God ,literally ,the very life of God.
Man's spirit, in sin ,is dead unto God,he is purely living in the soul and flesh realm,according to his emotions and carnal appitties,lusts,pleasures.
The Holy Spirit comes in upon faith in jesus and indwells the believer and then his Holy Spirit witness's with the spirit of man that they are born of God.
Basically it is a Spirit of God regenerating the very spirit of man with eternal life.

• Question #4: Sinning with the "spirit of God" in Post # 10;

God's nature and man';s are diameterically opposed.
When man receives Christ as Lord and Savior, through faith first, the inner nature of man is converted from the old sinful ,carnal indulgent nature ,to the nature of God and begins a life long process called sancitification,meaning a continual being set apart from the things of the world.
Many times when Christians fall into sin ,or continually live as if they never were converted,one must question their conversion or they have a hard time surrendering over the old carnal nature.Maybe they are'nt around strong christian mentors and accountability partners.

Being Christian certainly does'nt give heed to living an indulgent, self gradifying lifestyle,if one thinks it does he is seriously decieved

• and the essay

  “The Psychological Effects of Communion” in Post # 20.

What about it,it was meant to be symbolic,that's it,but it was of utmost importance that the believer understand this fact,
As the believer partook he was identifying with the broken body and shed blood of our Savior Jesus Christ.
When one eats the bread and drinks the cup of blood it is symbolic, but.
it was also representitive one's association to laying down his body and lifeto serve Jesus.

This has nothing to do with human sacrifice as in pagan traditions

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My guess is that those questions/topics were not addressed due to the unavailability of answers from the Q&A-quick-facts-and-answers-to-infidels pamphlet. Much, if not all, of what you have said in this entire thread sounds like a programmed recording. I have limited my Bible-quoting in order to simply talk to you. Speaking from your own experiences and words has more weight than continually parroting preachers. When was your last original thought? [Those things are not included in the Happy Meals that they give out on Sunday mornings.]

OOCH! I felt that arrow in my back,
I share my own experiences and my life does examplify Christ and so it should ,that my dear is the life of the Christian, should I mould myself to the worlds system, your doing that in your own way,so what makes you ask questions,are you expecting me or another Christian to make up some new philosophies on Christianity and veer of course,it won't happen ,at least from this end.

Your thoughts and insights into Christianity and philosophy and science and knowledge etc are no new thing ,you likewise parrot many aspects of those times past in your reasoning,refuting ,debating,etc ,but there you go again setting yourself up on some pedestal as if your thoughts and insults are original.

Let me ask you this, in addition to the questions you have yet to answer, when your heart stops beating, what will be the message displayed on the fabric of spacetime that the vibrations of your heart impressed upon it, as it sent out a constant signal to the world around you (while you are still in body)?

I'll be snatched so fast out of this world into God's presence, those who are left may be asking that question,whatever that means!!!

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51946

 

[yuvgotmel]

Question/Topic #7: Jesus: “the Deceiver”

I’ve asked you a lot of questions about your version of Jesus, which you have created as thoughtform of characteristics that you chose as seen in Post #6. Make no mistake: I do not worship Jesus; and I have no solid thoughtform of him. However, I do have several different perspectives on the teachings, which have been attributed to him (using the names of Jesus and Yeshua) within the New Testament and Gnostic writings.

Whether Jesus was an actual historical figure or not, the beliefs surrounding him could place him into the category of both-or-either highly enlightened or “the deceiver.” From my perspective: those who have chosen the human sacrifice of Jesus for their salvation—through blood atonement—have also chosen “the deceiver.”

As seen in Genesis 25, Jacob (whose name translates as “the deceiver”) hoodwinked his brother Esau. The story goes that Esau was a man of the fields—a hunter-gather type. He had been roaming the earth and returned to the tent to eat. As famished as he was, Esau begged and prayed that Jacob would give him a bowl of red (blood-colored) stew; to which, Jacob replied, “First sell me your birthright.”

Esau—in a state of primitive dread, desperation, and shattered security—was all too quick to give up his birthright as the firstborn son: that is to say, the kind of son, which Jesus referred to (in a parable in Matthew 17:25~26) as “exempt” from obligation of dues to a gloomy ruler (as it is called in “The Secret Book of John”).

II, Verse 63: “God is a man-eater. For this reason men are [sacrificed] to him. Before men were sacrificed animals were being sacrificed, since those to whom they were sacrificed were not gods.”

~from “The Gospel of Philip” of “The Nag Hammadi Library”

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But Esau’s lack of fore-sight lead him astray; and he replied to “the deceiver”: “‘Look, I am about to die,’ Esau said. ‘What good is the birthright to me?’”

So Esau ate bread and the bowl of red stew; and then he got up left, roaming the fields again.

This story should sound similar to the “Last Supper.” Did you eat the red stew too?

Did Jesus admit to being "the deceiver"?

Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!”

Revelation 22:16: “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
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Having said all that, these verses might make a bit more sense now:

Deuteronomy 32:14: “You drank the foaming blood of the grape.”

Joel 1:5: “Wake up, you drunkards, and weep! Wail, all you drinkers of wine; wail because of the new wine, for it has been snatched from your lips.”
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If Jesus was/is real, he’s a crafty fellow…

…being either a talking snake in a tree

…or the Kundalini rising
(which is often represented as a snake coiled around a pole or a spinal cord).

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Question/Topic #8: Jesus: the Enlightened (& the Single Eye)

You mention "I" quite often,could that very well be your stumbling stone.

Much of Jesus’ teachings were apparently edited or removed from the common Bible. However, the editors overlooked a few things, possibly due to their ignorance in such matters. One such example is this:

Matthew 6:22: [Jesus taught:] The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

~verse translation from the King James Version
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What was Jesus referring to? In multiple translations, the verse always refers to a Single Eye (and not the plural form “eyes&#8221.

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What manner of teaching was that? It doesn’t seem to concur with anything I was taught in church growing up. However, the Jesus, which I was taught in church, consisted of similar characteristics as the ones you gave in Post #6, to include, but not limited to: Anarchist, Punisher, and Judge.

Which one of us has been deceived? Perhaps both—I had to learn the hard way, but that’s another story.

To continue, the Single Eye that Jesus spoke of is also taught in Egyptian cosmology. It is sometimes referred to as the “Eye of Re.” Re is the light of the Sun. Thus, when the “eye is full of light, the whole body shall be full of light.”

But what is the Single Eye, as opposed to “eyes”?

It is the Third Eye chakra. It can be represented by the symbol of two overlapping Mandorlas. It is also represented as the symbol of the eye in the pyramid (as seen on the back of a U.S. $1 bill).

Chakra literally translates as “Wheel,” as in the symbolic type found in Ezekiel’s visions. The Third Eye chakra is responsible for visions, the ability to interpret dreams, and to comprehend hidden meanings. It is linked with Clairvoyance and sometimes Telepathy. And as the adept are able to use their Third Eye more, guess what happens? Bright lights flash!

The Third Eye is associated with the pineal gland, which is “light sensitive”:

http://www.crystalinks.com/chakras.html

The Ajna Chakra, or third eye, is linked to the pineal gland. Ajna is the chakra of time and awareness and of light. The pineal gland is a light sensitive gland, that produces the hormone melatonin, which regulates the instincts of going to sleep and awakening. It also produces trace amounts of the psychedelic chemical dimethyltryptamine.
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Kind of like a light bulb of inspiration—and also rather literal—, the opening of the Third Eye is a prominent step in the spiritual progression of a soul.

These types of teachings are what I believe Jesus, if he existed, was really talking about...

Rather than the McDonald’s pre-packed salvation in a cup and wafer, along with a prayer and praise, I believe that Jesus was teaching the method of real spiritual progression, which does not come instantaneously after a trip to the altar, nor does it come through Bible-quoting or adherence to a civil code of “morality.”​

 

[roli]

Whether Jesus was an actual historical figure or not, the beliefs surrounding him could place him into the category of both-or-either highly enlightened or “the deceiver.” From my perspective: those who have chosen the human sacrifice of Jesus for their salvation—through blood atonement—have also chosen “the deceiver.”

Esau—in a state of primitive dread, desperation, and shattered security—was all too quick to give up his birthright as the firstborn son: that is to say, the kind of son, which Jesus referred to (in a parable in Matthew 17:25~26) as “exempt” from obligation of dues to a gloomy ruler (as it is called in “The Secret Book of John”).​

II, Verse 63: “God is a man-eater. For this reason men are [sacrificed] to him. Before men were sacrificed animals were being sacrificed, since those to whom they were sacrificed were not gods.”​

~from “The Gospel of Philip” of “The Nag Hammadi Library”

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The gnostic writings are not something worthy of accuracy, at least concerning the life of Christ,that is why they were not accepted into the canon of scripture,the gnostics were in actuality the ones deceived,at least according John, the writer of John and 1,2,3 John and the top jewish scholars /leaders who selected the bible

But Esau’s lack of fore-sight lead him astray; and he replied to “the deceiver”: “‘Look, I am about to die,’ Esau said. ‘What good is the birthright to me?’”So Esau ate bread and the bowl of red stew; and then he got up left, roaming the fields again.Did Jesus admit to being "the deceiver"?​

I am not sure how you associate Jesus as the deceiver by comparing the story of Esau,but I guess it's your prerogative.​

It's interesting what Jesus says when the jewish religious leaders accused him of being associated with Satan Mar 3:22And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.​

It might do you some good to bring in context the rest of scriptures associated with what you quote,read the rest of the story of how Jesus responded,....a house divided amonst itself will not stand, how can satan cast out satan ......​

Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!”​

Revelation 22:16: “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Again ,your interpretation only shows ignorance in scripture, maybe it is proof of your point, to declare Jesus as a deciever,but it certainly is'nt an accurate translation.
Isaiah does not mention the word," star ",at least in the hebrew, literal translation Isa 14:12 — How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

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If Jesus was/is real, he’s a crafty fellow…

…being either a talking snake in a tree

…or the Kundalini rising
(which is often represented as a snake coiled around a pole or a spinal cord).

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So in your calling Jesus a snake,you are associating Jesus as satan
If Jesus is the snake and deceiver, words that are attributed to satan,how do explain Jesus describing satan,Jhn 8:44"Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
or perhaps you may decipher this to mean Jesus was describing himself here.
Please read the full context of scripture,than do a cross reference on other passages where Jesus describes satan than maybe you will have an accurate account of scripture.
But it appears easier to take scripture out of context and use it for your own purpose.


Question/Topic #8: Jesus: the Enlightened (& the Single Eye)

Much of Jesus’ teachings were apparently edited or removed from the common Bible. However, the editors overlooked a few things, possibly due to their ignorance in such matters. One such example is this:

Please show me where, so I can adequately research it out.​

Matthew 6:22: [Jesus taught:] The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.​

For a Savior who always centered out satan,evil,false gods, works of darkness,demonic oppression,etc.and constantly distinguished the difference between light and darkness, how do you all of a sudden interpret that he is now speaking of the eye as being associated with the demonic,​

I don't understand how you can come up with this stuff,well, I can understand how you are doing it.​

if you don't believe God came in the flesh ,in the person of Jesus Christ, than your of the anti -christ.​

Everything you speak will than be contrary to sound doctrine.​

What manner of teaching was that? It doesn’t seem to concur with anything I was taught in church growing up. However, the Jesus, which I was taught in church, consisted of similar characteristics as the ones you gave in Post #6, to include, but not limited to: Anarchist, Punisher, and Judge.

I think your reading much of what you believe in with Christ and that my friend is confusion , mixed with ignorance.
Rememeber,those who do not have the spirit of truth will not understand the things of God ,why even bother to try and interpret scripture,but at best you only defame his name and if that is your purpose than you work for everything contrary to God

Which one of us has been deceived? Perhaps both—I had to learn the hard way, but that’s another story.

We could point fingers,but I will wait for that day to see where we both stand,I pray that God would reveal himself to you ,that his word is truth

To continue, the Single Eye that Jesus spoke of is also taught in Egyptian cosmology. It is sometimes referred to as the “Eye of Re.” Re is the light of the Sun. Thus, when the “eye is full of light, the whole body shall be full of light.”

Are you really wanting to associate Jesus with that of mystic teachings and pagan worship,is that really who Jesus is.
That must make you feel empowered, I mean to figure out who Jesus really is and unmasking him as the deciever he really is, to bring Christ down to snake and deciever,almost as if you have solved this age old problem of what philosophers,mystics have been racking their minds over for years.
Again ,not the same thing,Jesus must also be a lunatic and psychotic in your mind because according to you he is acting like a jeckle and hide,maybe even bi-polar,

These types of teachings are what I believe Jesus, if he existed, was really talking about...

Wow ! rememeber ,it's what you believe,not what is.

Rather than the McDonald’s pre-packed salvation in a cup and wafer, along with a prayer and praise, I believe that Jesus was teaching the method of real spiritual progression, which does not come instantaneously after a trip to the altar, nor does it come through Bible-quoting or adherence to a civil code of “morality.”

It comes through Jesus Christ and recieving him as Lord and Savior ,which was God's freee gift for our sins,which you apprently have rejected and renouncedJesus was preaching that he is the way ,the truth and the life and no man gets to the father but by him, he is the door ,the gate ,the vine ,the rock, the word, he is eternal life

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[yuvgotmel]

You wrote: I am not sure how you associate Jesus as the deceiver by comparing the story of Esau,but I guess it's your prerogative.

If needed, what follows is another version of the same story:

Moses and the broken tablets
Remember the story of Moses and the tablets from Exodus 32. Moses came down from the mountain with the first set of tablets; however, as he approached the camp of the Israelites, he realized what they had done in his absence. Then, he threw the tablets down at the foot of the mountain, shattering them. Moses then took the peoples’ idol, burned it, ground it into a powder, mixed it with water and made the people drink it.

It was “bitter water” (also known as “wine vinegar” or “poisoned water”). It relates to Numbers 5:11~31, where a woman suspected of adultery is taken to a priest who makes a mixture of dirt from the tabernacle floor and water. Then the priest recites a curse over the water; and the woman drinks it as a test of her faithfulness or lack thereof.
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In short words, Moses made them DRINK A CURSE…just like Jesus did at the “Last Supper.”
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Here is a verse, which is pertinent to this discussion:

Jeremiah 10:1~5: “Hear what the Lord says to you, O house of Israel. This is what the Lord says: ‘Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the sky, though the nations are terrified by them. For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsmen shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scarecrow in a melon path, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk.’ …”
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Do you notice the similarities of a "scarecrow" as seen in the verses from Jeremiah?
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I previously wrote: If Jesus was/is real, he’s a crafty fellow…
…being either a talking snake in a tree
…or the Kundalini rising (which is often represented as a snake coiled around a pole or a spinal cord).

You responded: So in your calling Jesus a snake,you are associating Jesus as satan

Again, if needed, what follows is another version of the same story:

Moses and the snake on the pole
I find it ironic that Christians often use the story from Numbers 21 as an argument of validity for their need to crucify Jesus to gain salvation. So the story goes, Moses made an image of a snake on a pole and placed it in view of the people so that they could look at the image of the snake and be healed.

That story quite adequately depicts both versions of Jesus as I described in my last Post #25: Jesus: “the Deceiver” and Jesus: the Enlightened.
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As a reminder, the Kundalini rising is often represented as a snake coiled around a pole or a spinal cord. Here are two examples:
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You quoted: “…a house divided amonst itself will not stand, how can satan cast out satan…”

I agree; and you might want to think about that, especially in light of what I have written.
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You wrote: But it appears easier to take scripture out of context and use it for your own purpose.

Apply that to yourself and see what you come up with.
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You wrote:I think your reading much of what you believe in with Christ and that my friend is confusion , mixed with ignorance.
Rememeber,those who do not have the spirit of truth will not understand the things of God ,why even bother to try and interpret scripture,but at best you only defame his name and if that is your purpose than you work for everything contrary to God

Perhaps contemplation on your own words is needed.
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You asked: Are you really wanting to associate Jesus with that of mystic teachings and pagan worship,is that really who Jesus is.

That is certainly something which should be considered in lieu of your version of Jesus’ death for salvation (i.e. the belief in human sacrifice).
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You wrote: Again ,not the same thing,Jesus must also be a lunatic and psychotic in your mind because according to you he is acting like a jeckle and hide,maybe even bi-polar,

I refer you to Post #6 where you listed the characteristics that you chose for your thoughtform of Jesus.

1. Anarchist (Isa 9:7, 9:6)
2. Punisher (Mat 25:46)
3. Non-violent (Isa 53:9)
4. Judge (Jhn 5:30)
5. Compassionate (Mat 9:36)
6. Loving (Jhn 3:16)
7. Sorrowful and full of Grief (Isa 53:3)
8. Peace (Jhn 14:27)