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Questions for God

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You’re expecting the God you don’t believe exists, to answer a riddle you set for him on a forum? That’s odd.
Not quite.

As you know, God never appears, never says, never does. It's [his] followers who appear, say and sometimes do.

So you'll see that I addressed the OP to the RF people here, not to God.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Not quite.

As you know, God never appears, never says, never does. It's [his] followers who appear, say and sometimes do.

So you'll see that I addressed the OP to the RF people here, not to God.

Right, I see. So you haven’t set a trap for God, it’s His followers you’re hoping to catch out.

What do you think that’ll prove?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
1. How does God know there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?

2. How does God know [he] didn't spontaneously spring into existence. fully formed with memories and all, with the rest of the universe last Thursday?

3. How does God know [he]'s not just a dream in the brain of a human?

All of these questions are answered using scripture. If scripture is considered authoritative, then I can answer. If not, then, you can create your own answers. None will be right and none will be wrong.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
1. How does God know there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?

2. How does God know [he] didn't spontaneously spring into existence. fully formed with memories and all, with the rest of the universe last Thursday?

3. How does God know [he]'s not just a dream in the brain of a human?
God knows only as much as it's particular human controller knows.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Anyway, basically what I am saying is that "omniscience" is a self-contradictory concept

Not true.

Omniscience is a consequence of a being which is absolutely literally infinite.

If there is nothing he doesn't know

yes...

then he must know that he doesn't know what is like not to know

no. An all-knowing God knows what it is like not to know, just as it knows 3-wheeled-bicycles, and non-dairy milk. It's just a contradictory concept like any other.

Another way of considering it, is from the perspective of a creator-god which is similar to the author of a book. The author can write a book where the protagonist is deaf-mute, but the author themself is neither deaf nor mute. A creator-god can create the conceppt "absence of knowledge" and then it knows "the absence of knowledge" while still remaining to be all-knowing itself. "Absence of knowledge" is just a concept like any character in any book by any author. The book in this analogy is "reality".

Here's a specific example: the flux-capacitor from Back-to-the-future. It's a concept which the screenwriter created. A creator god can create any concept. One of those concepts could be "what it's like not to know". Once the creator-god creates it, it knows it. It knows "what it's like not to know" because it created it. It's as simple as that.

Contradiction resolved.
 
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blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Right, I see. So you haven’t set a trap for God, it’s His followers you’re hoping to catch out.

What do you think that’ll prove?
Perhaps someone will learn something.

Perhaps someone will be less bored for a few minutes.

Perhaps someone will think about the questions and start a new religion.

Perhaps God will appear and state [his] position, and then a whole other lot of gods will appear and state their respective positions. However, that's both the most interesting and the least likely outcome, I'd say.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
1. How does God know there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?
Maybe by asking, what I don't know?
2. How does God know [he] didn't spontaneously spring into existence. fully formed with memories and all, with the rest of the universe last Thursday?
Maybe because he remembers the day before it?
3. How does God know [he]'s not just a dream in the brain of a human?
Maybe by that people are too evil and stupid to imagine Him?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I would have only one question, what's the game with childhood leukemia?

If a god could answer that then other questions i have would already be answered.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
1. How does God know there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?

2. How does God know [he] didn't spontaneously spring into existence. fully formed with memories and all, with the rest of the universe last Thursday?

3. How does God know [he]'s not just a dream in the brain of a human?
God is Truth!
God inhabits the circle of infinity apart from time.
God created the brain of the human so that goes without saying.

Finites are derivatives of the First Source and Center, the "I Am". Finites will never know all that God is. No matter how far we progress in knowing God, there will always be more to discover. IMOP

"God is the first truth and the last fact; therefore does all truth take origin in him, while all facts exist relative to him." UB 1955
 

chinu

chinu
1. How does God know there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?

2. How does God know [he] didn't spontaneously spring into existence. fully formed with memories and all, with the rest of the universe last Thursday?

3. How does God know [he]'s not just a dream in the brain of a human?
Actually, am so amazed that how is God so miraculous !!

aren't you ?
:laughing:
 
1. How does God know there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?

2. How does God know [he] didn't spontaneously spring into existence. fully formed with memories and all, with the rest of the universe last Thursday?

3. How does God know [he]'s not just a dream in the brain of a human?
Do you know what all knowing is.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
1. How does God know there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?

2. How does God know [he] didn't spontaneously spring into existence. fully formed with memories and all, with the rest of the universe last Thursday?

3. How does God know [he]'s not just a dream in the brain of a human?
I believe God knows what He can know so He refers to Himself as the ancient of days. So last Thursday is out of the question.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I waited a while for God to answer since you addressed the question to "him"...but since "he" wasn't up for it, I thought I'd give it a stab.

Anyway, basically what I am saying is that "omniscience" is a self-contradictory concept...or to put it more succinctly...bull!
I believe it takes a while to catch up with things using this vessel.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Maybe by asking, what I don't know?
So you think we can safely rule omniscience out?

Maybe because he remembers the day before it?
Nah, [he] was spontaneously brought into being like the rest of the universe with memories of yesterday, indeed [his] entire past, installed.
Maybe by that people are too evil and stupid to imagine Him?
That would account for why none of the churches appears to have a description of [him] appropriate to a real being, one with objective existence, no?
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
All of these questions are answered using scripture.
Really? Where does it explain how God knows there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?

Or does [he] freely admit there are things [he] doesn't know?

If scripture is considered authoritative, then I can answer. If not, then, you can create your own answers. None will be right and none will be wrong.
Whereas in the real world ...
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I would have only one question, what's the game with childhood leukemia?

If a god could answer that then other questions i have would already be answered.
Perhaps whoever it was who was asked to summarize the bible in two words got it right.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I believe God knows what He can know so He refers to Himself as the ancient of days. So last Thursday is out of the question.
No, when the universe spontaneously sprang into existence last Thursday, God came to exist with [his] memories from everlasting to everlasting all in place. In just the same way, we all remember parents, family, friends, being young, going to school, and so on.
I believe He is not the universe since He created the universe.
Or else [he] spontaneously sprang into existence last Thursday thinking that [he] made the universe.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
God is Truth!
For me, 'truth' is a quality of statements, and a statement is true to the extent that it corresponds with / accurately reflects objective reality.

What definition of 'truth' are you using here?

God inhabits the circle of infinity apart from time.
God created the brain of the human so that goes without saying.
I respect your right to believe as you think best, but these are the RF debate boards.

So for me, a materialist, the "circle of infinity" doesn't correspond with what is found in the world external to the self ("reality").

And the human brain is the end product of 3.5 billion years or more of evolutionary trial and error.
 
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