WHO IS GOD'S TRUE ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

[3rdAngel]

Numbers 5:22 - Bible Gateway

CSB May this water that brings a curse enter your stomach, causing your belly to swell and your womb to shrivel.’ “And the woman will reply, ‘Amen, Amen.’
CEB And may the water that brings these curses enter your stomach and make your womb discharge and make you miscarry.” And the woman will say, “I agree, I agree.”
CJB May this water that causes the curse go into your inner parts and make your abdomen swell and your private parts shrivel up!” — and the woman is to respond, “Amen! Amen!”
ERV The priest must say, ‘You must drink this water that causes trouble. If you have sinned, you will not be able to have children. Any baby you have will die before it is born.’ And the woman should say, ‘I agree to do as you say.’
EXB This water that brings a curse will go inside you and make your ·stomach get big [or uterus drop] and make your ·body unable to give birth to another baby [womb discharge; L your thigh waste away/wither; 5:21].” “‘The woman must say, “I agree.”
GW ‘May this water that can bring a curse go into your body and make your stomach swell and your uterus drop!’ “Then the woman will say, ‘Amen, amen!’
NOG ‘May this water that can bring a curse go into your body and make your stomach swell and your uterus drop!’ “Then the woman will say, ‘Amen, amen!’
NABRE May this water, then, that brings a curse, enter your bowels to make your belly swell and your uterus fall!” And the woman shall say, “Amen, amen!”
NIV May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
NRSVA now may this water that brings the curse enter your bowels and make your womb discharge, your uterus drop!’ And the woman shall say, ‘Amen. Amen.’
VOICE If you are guilty, may this curse-causing water run through your bowels, make your belly swell, and your womb miscarry.” And the woman shall say, “Amen. Let it be so.”

Non-responsive to the post you are quoting from that proves from the scripture contexts you disregard and refuse to respond to in post # 235 linked that the scripture you picked outside of context does not support your claim that God commands abortion. Closing our eyes and ears does not make Gods Word disappear (see Isaiah 6:9-10). Lets talk more when you want to address the scriptures in the linked post that prove your claims are not biblical. Looks like school is out and you got an F again also in this subject. Your report card is not looking so good.

Take Care

 

[Monty]

Already addressed with a detailed scripture response that includes all contexts added back in from post # 234 linked that you ignored that proves Jesus family did not reject Jesus. Looks like schools out and you got an F.

Take Care.

But they didn't believe that he was a prophet (Matt 13:57 John 7:5), and why he rejected them (Matt 10:18).

 

[Monty]

Non-responsive to the post you are quoting from that proves from the scripture contexts you disregard and refuse to respond to in post # 235 linked that the scripture you picked outside of context does not support your claim that God commands abortion. Closing our eyes and ears does not make Gods Word disappear (see Isaiah 6:9-10). Lets talk more when you want to address the scriptures in the linked post that prove your claims are not biblical. Looks like school is out and you got an F again also in this subject. Your report card is not looking so good.

Take Care

Have you ever seen a god and had a face to face chat as described in Gen 18? If so, then ask it if adulteresses never ever become pregnant?

Leviticus 20:10
If any of you men have sex with another man's wife, both you and the woman will be put to death, particularly if she is pregnant.

 

[3rdAngel]

Have you ever seen a god and had a face to face chat as described in Gen 18? If so, then ask it if adulteresses never ever become pregnant?

Class is out. You got in F. Please see the reasons why God does not command abortion in post # 235 linked. Please also tell me where i Leviticus 20:10 it is talking about abortion?

 

[3rdAngel]

But they didn't believe that he was a prophet (Matt 13:57 John 7:5), and why he rejected them (Matt 10:18).

You have provided no scripture that supports your claim here. None of those scriptures you have provided start Jesus family did not believe Jesus was a prophet or from God. Class is out. You got in F in this subject as well. Please see the reasons why in post # 234 linked. Jesus family believed He was from God and more than this accepted Jesus as Gods promised Messiah.

 

[Monty]

You have provided no scripture that supports your claim here. None of those scriptures you have provided start Jesus family did not believe Jesus was a prophet or from God. Class is out. You got in F in this subject as well. Please see the reasons why in post # 234 linked. Jesus family believed He was from God and more than this accepted Jesus as Gods promised Messiah.

I'm not interested in the results you get in your Sunday School classes.
I'm only interested in what the bible actually says and means, and the numerous contradictions and inconsistencies and scientific untruths by it's writers.

And your Sunday School class results don't change the fact that the bible says that Jesus wasn't respected and believed by his parents and family (Mark 6:4 John 7:5) despite your usual obfuscation and all the numerous biblical contradictions and inconsistencies which were written decades after Jesus was executed by the Romans for sedition and his family had died.

Mark 6:4 - Bible Gateway

VOICE Jesus (seeing this): A prophet can find honor anywhere except in his hometown, among his own people, and in his own household.
YLT And Jesus said to them -- `A prophet is not without honor, except in his own country, and among his kindred, and in his own house;'
GNT Jesus said to them, “Prophets are respected everywhere except in their own hometown and by their relatives and their family.”

 

[Monty]

Class is out. You got in F. Please see the reasons why God does not command abortion in post # 235 linked. Please also tell me where i Leviticus 20:10 it is talking about abortion?

And did your Sunday School teacher give you an A+ for obfuscation and saying that the commandments in Leviticus 20:10 and Numbers 5:20-28 are only about stomach aches and rotting sore thighs which fall off, and that adulteresses never ever become pregnant, and even though you only got an F- for English comprehension and spelling?

CEB And may the water that brings these curses enter your stomach and make your womb discharge and make you miscarry.” And the woman will say, “I agree, I agree.” Numbers 5:22

 

[3rdAngel]

I'm not interested in the results you get in your Sunday School classes.
I'm only interested in what the bible actually says and means, and the numerous contradictions and inconsistencies and scientific untruths by it's writers.

And your Sunday School class results don't change the fact that the bible says that Jesus wasn't respected and believed by his parents and family (Mark 6:4 John 7:5) despite your usual obfuscation and all the numerous biblical contradictions and inconsistencies which were written decades after Jesus was executed by the Romans for sedition and his family had died.

Mark 6:4 - Bible Gateway

VOICE Jesus (seeing this): A prophet can find honor anywhere except in his hometown, among his own people, and in his own household.
YLT And Jesus said to them -- `A prophet is not without honor, except in his own country, and among his kindred, and in his own house;'
GNT Jesus said to them, “Prophets are respected everywhere except in their own hometown and by their relatives and their family.”

Please forgive me but I do not believe you and I do not attend your Sunday school. It is you that is changing the bible as proven and demonstrated in post # 234 linked that you refuse to address that provides all the scriptures that disagrees with your view that Jesus family did not accept Jesus as coming from God.

 

[3rdAngel]

And did your Sunday School teacher give you an A+ for obfuscation and saying that the commandments in Leviticus 20:10 and Numbers 5:20-28 are only about stomach aches and rotting sore thighs which fall off, and that adulteresses never ever become pregnant, and even though you only got an F- for English comprehension and spelling?

CEB And may the water that brings these curses enter your stomach and make your womb discharge and make you miscarry.” And the woman will say, “I agree, I agree.” Numbers 5:22

Sorry I do not attend Sunday school. I choose to believe what Gods Word says rather than to read into the scripture what is not there. I think that might be the reasons you got an F in your bible study classes as demonstrated by the scripture contexts you disregard and all the scriptures provided that are in disagreement with you that you refuse to address in post # 235 linked while simply repeating yourself. You are better off receiving Gods correction and being blessed. Reading into scripture does not make what you are reading magically appear and ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear.

 

[shunyadragon]

True Israel? New Covenant? Antient tribal beliefs based on ancient tribal scripture without provenance nor constructive reasons for today's world where these ancient beliefs are grounds for conflict and violence.

For a simpler factual explanation based on archaeological and historical evidence. The Nation of Israel evolved over the millennia from pastoral Hebrew tribes in the Hills of Judah, and some tribes? in Northern Palestine. After about 600 BCE they became the civilized Kingdoms of Israel with a written language and became an ancient world power. This when the scripture of the Torah evolved from different sources.

The 'True' Israel' and the New Covenant. of course, is the variable claim of different divisions of Christianity based on ancient scripture without provenance perpetuating the ancient tribal conflicts in the world claiming Dominion and Manifest Destiny over the world..

 

[3rdAngel]

True Israel? New Covenant? Antient tribal beliefs based on ancient tribal scripture without provenance nor constructive reasons for today's world where these ancient beliefs are grounds for conflict and violence.

For a simpler factual explanation based on archaeological and historical evidence. The Nation of Israel evolved over the millennia from pastoral Hebrew tribes in the Hills of Judah, and some tribes? in Northern Palestine. After about 600 BCE they became the civilized Kingdoms of Israel with a written language and became an ancient world power. This when the scripture of the Torah evolved from different sources.

The 'True' Israel' and the New Covenant. of course, is the variable claim of different divisions of Christianity based on ancient scripture without provenance perpetuating the ancient tribal conflicts in the world claiming Dominion and Manifest Destiny over the world..

Thank you for sharing your view and perspective as someone that does not believe in God or scripture. However your view is one that seeks to explain away the question of the OP that is based on the scriptures asking for answers from the scriptures in a scripture forum. Please forgive me but your view as someone that does not believe in God or the scriptures is not one that I hold to and has nothing to do with the old and new covenants or answers the question of this OP.

Take Care

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES ARE NOW ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND OBEY GOD'S WORD!

Yes, basically. Israel is a spiritual nation of the people of God. At the end of the day, it's about who is obedient to Him and upholds their end of the bargain.

 

[shunyadragon]

Thank you for sharing your view and perspective as someone that does not believe in God or scripture. However your view is one that seeks to explain away the question of the OP that is based on the scriptures asking for answers from the scriptures in a scripture forum. Please forgive me but your view as someone that does not believe in God or the scriptures is not one that I hold to.

I believe in God, but accept that ancient tribal belief systems do not reflect the reality of a universal perspective of God in an evolving spiritual nature of humanity over hundreds of thousands of years.

It is severe contradiction as to what would be the nature of a 'Source' some call God(s) for an omnipotent omnipresent universal God considering the variable ancient cultural tribal egocentric views of God in the history of humanity.

I believe scripture should be understood in the context of the time and culture it was revealed and in the context of the archaeological and historical evidence.

The argument in this thread appears to be the circular view that scripture justifies scripture without any outside perspective, which is the basic problem with all arguments concerning ancient tribal perspectives for justification of different interpretations of scripture.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There is only one Israel, and that is the People of Israel, the Jews, the seed of Jacob.

That's the Jewish take. Christianity teaches otherwise.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

That's the Jewish take. Christianity teaches otherwise.

It doesn't really matter what Christianity teaches. The opinions of outsiders are of no consequence.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It doesn't really matter what Christianity teaches. The opinions of outsiders are of no consequence.

Just like it doesn't matter what Judaism teaches, to non-believers. But here we are.

 

[3rdAngel]

I believe in God, but accept that ancient tribal belief systems do not reflect the reality of a universal perspective of God in an evolving spiritual nature of humanity over hundreds of thousands of years.

It is severe contradiction as to what would be the nature of a 'Source' some call God(s) for an omnipotent omnipresent universal God considering the variable ancient cultural tribal egocentric views of God in the history of humanity.

I believe scripture should be understood in the context of the time and culture it was revealed and in the context of the archaeological and historical evidence.

The argument in this thread appears to be the circular view that scripture justifies scripture without any outside perspective, which is the basic problem with all arguments concerning ancient tribal perspectives for justification of different interpretations of scripture.

We cannot know God if we seek to know God through the eyes of the world that does not see God or know God or believe in Him. You cannot know God if you do not believe the scriptures that teach us how to find God.

Likewise the OP is one that is simply based on the scriptures. Because you do not know the scriptures you are unable to address this OP accept through the eyes of an unbeliever that does not know God or His Word (the scriptures).

You will need to understand the difference between the old and new covenant scriptures, if you want to answer this OP

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

It doesn't really matter what Christianity teaches. The opinions of outsiders are of no consequence.

Likewise according to the scriptures, the unbelieving Jews are the branches that have been broken off ready to be burned so that believing Gentiles can be grafted in because they believe and obey what Gods Word says, but if the unbelieving Jew can turn again to believe God is able to graft them back in again (John 15:6; Romans 11:13-23).

 

[3rdAngel]

Yes, basically. Israel is a spiritual nation of the people of God. At the end of the day, it's about who is obedient to Him and upholds their end of the bargain.

Thank you, someone that reads the scriptures...

God bless

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Just like it doesn't matter what Judaism teaches, to non-believers. But here we are.

That's correct. Chrsitians get to define who is Christian. Not Jews. Not Hindus. Not Atheists. And Jews get to define who is a Jew.