Yahweh is an abomination?

[Spiderman]

So, the Bible says "God is love" and preaches being humble and lowly, but his example of being so proud, a bully, a baby killer, and a narcissist, who puts people that don't believe in Jesus, (like Anne frank) in a crematorium or lake of fire, where they scream bloody murder for all eternity...and calls the Gospel of Jesus "good news"...have you read revelation, how he tortures people until they beg for death, but won't give it to them, when he releases plagues and creatures from the bottomless pit?

You think it's noble to worship such a monster? I'm serious, have you read the Bible? I'm interested in what a loving person has to say about how "God is love" can be reconciled with the worst hate crimes ever recorded?

If God is love, the scriptures would have to be mostly not in the Bible , or inspired by the opposite Devil, as a general rule , correct?

When titanic went down, women and children only on the boats. What would you think of a man who is a big bully trampling women and children to death to get on a boat? Yahweh is worse, cries like a baby over blasphemy, and murders children because he's a jealous bully....or the children of Egypt murdered for not having lambs blood smeared on door posts. God is perfect justice? Could you please explain any basis for that?

Well, what about our great big bully God beating little girls to death and torturing them forever because they like someone other than him? If you want, I can show you his threats to the people he hates for burning incense to the Queen of Heaven, because she was helping them, and yahweh wasn't....his wrath, jealousy that someone could love another besides the big proud hypocrite bully, the author of death who tempted Eve to eat something worse than rat poison, so he could have an excuse to torture and murder everyone, especially women?

What kind of sick Father does that to his daughters, tortures them to death between the legs, and multiplies their labor pains because Eve was female, so it's a crime to be a woman? I seriously would love answers. Why can't we admit that most of the Bible is false, if God is love?

.... is so incredibly the opposite example of the God who loves the humble, the God who is love. Why should a father set the worst example, but expect us to do the opposite?.. So, most of the Bible is an abomination or inspired by a false God or sick demon-possessed prophet (s), correct?

 

[Spiderman]

I thank God every day for the good things he/she does.....but I choose to believe God is love, which eliminates the possibility of much of the Bible being inspired by him/her....

 

[an anarchist]

I think this line of thinking made me leave Christianity.

My header is "God is love is love is love"

I believe it to be true, so, how can I simultaneously believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible?

Seriously, can any Christian try to give me an answer?

 

[1213]

What kind of sick Father does that to his daughters, tortures them to death between the legs, and multiplies their labor pains because Eve was female, so it's a crime to be a woman? I seriously would love answers. Why can't we admit that most of the Bible is false, if God is love?

I think your version of the Bible is false. For example Eva was not punished because she is a woman. Why are you making false accusations against God?

 

[Spiderman]

I think your version of the Bible is false. For example Eva was not punished because she is a woman. Why are you making false accusations against God?

You serious? God multiplied labor pains in women because of Eve being female. Giving birth was the main reason women didn't live to see the age of thirty for thousands of years.

Obviously God is a sadist and misogynist, torturing women to death between the legs. We would give such a man the electric chair , in Florida.

 

[King Phenomenon]

So, the Bible says "God is love" and preaches being humble and lowly, but his example of being so proud, a bully, a baby killer, and a narcissist, who puts people that don't believe in Jesus, (like Anne frank) in a crematorium or lake of fire, where they scream bloody murder for all eternity...and calls the Gospel of Jesus "good news"...have you read revelation, how he tortures people until they beg for death, but won't give it to them, when he releases plagues and creatures from the bottomless pit?

You think it's noble to worship such a monster? I'm serious, have you read the Bible? I'm interested in what a loving person has to say about how "God is love" can be reconciled with the worst hate crimes ever recorded?

If God is love, the scriptures would have to be mostly not in the Bible , or inspired by the opposite Devil, as a general rule , correct?

When titanic went down, women and children only on the boats. What would you think of a man who is a big bully trampling women and children to death to get on a boat? Yahweh is worse, cries like a baby over blasphemy, and murders children because he's a jealous bully....or the children of Egypt murdered for not having lambs blood smeared on door posts. God is perfect justice? Could you please explain any basis for that?

Well, what about our great big bully God beating little girls to death and torturing them forever because they like someone other than him? If you want, I can show you his threats to the people he hates for burning incense to the Queen of Heaven, because she was helping them, and yahweh wasn't....his wrath, jealousy that someone could love another besides the big proud hypocrite bully, the author of death who tempted Eve to eat something worse than rat poison, so he could have an excuse to torture and murder everyone, especially women?

What kind of sick Father does that to his daughters, tortures them to death between the legs, and multiplies their labor pains because Eve was female, so it's a crime to be a woman? I seriously would love answers. Why can't we admit that most of the Bible is false, if God is love?

.... is so incredibly the opposite example of the God who loves the humble, the God who is love. Why should a father set the worst example, but expect us to do the opposite?.. So, most of the Bible is an abomination or inspired by a false God or sick demon-possessed prophet (s), correct?

I think you may have developed an unhealthy view of the Bible. I hope it isn’t interfering with your day to day living and peace and joy. Your ramblings about the Bible seem like you have an obsessive maybe even harmful relationship with religion . If you don’t then it’s my bad but if you do I wish you well.

 

[Spiderman]

I think you may have developed an unhealthy view of the Bible. I hope it isn’t interfering with your day to day living and peace and joy. Your ramblings about the Bible seem like you have an obsessive maybe even harmful relationship with religion . If you don’t then it’s my bad but if you do I wish you well.

Well, if scripture is true, and God is that disgusting, I suppose the best service I can do humanity is at least attempt to get the psychotic child killer , the author of death and evil, to repent or take a vow of obedience to a good mother.

 

[Spiderman]

I think your version of the Bible is false. For example Eva was not punished because she is a woman. Why are you making false accusations against God?

Why are you making false accusations against me, and being dishonest to cover for a serial killer, genocidal God?

 

[1213]

Why are you making false accusations against me, and being dishonest to cover for a serial killer, genocidal God?

Sorry, if I misunderstood what you said. I don't think Bible says anyone was punished because being a woman, like you said. So, why did you say and multiplies their labor pains because Eve was female?

God multiplied labor pains in women because of Eve being female...

By what I know, Bible says:

To the woman he said, “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
Gen. 3:16

Notice, it says woman, not women. And, now it would be good to know, what did that mean, how God multiplied it, by sending her way from paradise?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

God is perfect justice? Could you please explain any basis for that?

The Bible says that we will be judged according to our ways.

There are both good and evil things said in the Bible.
"Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?" Lamentations 3:38


They are both great and terrible things.
"He is thy praise, and he is thy God, that hath done for thee these great and terrible things, which thine eyes have seen". Deuteronomy 10:21


It is commonly said through the Bible that the words spoken are not being heard correctly.


It seems to me that the good things and the evil things in the bible are both saying exactly the same things. Like for example the Bible OT talks about eating bread and drinking wine (good things) and it also talks about eating the flesh of men and drinking their blood (evil things).

But if you listen carefully it is exactly as Jesus says. The bread is the flesh, and the wine is the blood.

Thing1 - Thing2 - Thing3
Bread - Oil - Wine
Flesh - Bone - Blood

Bread is flesh, wine is blood, and oil is bones.

So according to the Bible eating bread is the same thing as eating flesh, and drinking wine is the same thing as drinking blood.

It is knowledge of good and evil.

You cant understand one unless you also understand the other.

 

[blü 2]

So, the Bible says "God is love" and preaches being humble and lowly, but his example of being so proud, a bully, a baby killer, and a narcissist, who puts people that don't believe in Jesus, (like Anne frank) in a crematorium or lake of fire, where they scream bloody murder for all eternity...and calls the Gospel of Jesus "good news"...have you read revelation, how he tortures people until they beg for death, but won't give it to them, when he releases plagues and creatures from the bottomless pit?

You think it's noble to worship such a monster? I'm serious, have you read the Bible? I'm interested in what a loving person has to say about how "God is love" can be reconciled with the worst hate crimes ever recorded?

If God is love, the scriptures would have to be mostly not in the Bible , or inspired by the opposite Devil, as a general rule , correct?

When titanic went down, women and children only on the boats. What would you think of a man who is a big bully trampling women and children to death to get on a boat? Yahweh is worse, cries like a baby over blasphemy, and murders children because he's a jealous bully....or the children of Egypt murdered for not having lambs blood smeared on door posts. God is perfect justice? Could you please explain any basis for that?

Well, what about our great big bully God beating little girls to death and torturing them forever because they like someone other than him? If you want, I can show you his threats to the people he hates for burning incense to the Queen of Heaven, because she was helping them, and yahweh wasn't....his wrath, jealousy that someone could love another besides the big proud hypocrite bully, the author of death who tempted Eve to eat something worse than rat poison, so he could have an excuse to torture and murder everyone, especially women?

What kind of sick Father does that to his daughters, tortures them to death between the legs, and multiplies their labor pains because Eve was female, so it's a crime to be a woman? I seriously would love answers. Why can't we admit that most of the Bible is false, if God is love?

.... is so incredibly the opposite example of the God who loves the humble, the God who is love. Why should a father set the worst example, but expect us to do the opposite?.. So, most of the Bible is an abomination or inspired by a false God or sick demon-possessed prophet (s), correct?

The morals of the God of the bible are appalling, though they're appropriate for a Bronze Age deity and uphold Bronze Age values like invasive war, massacre of surrendered populations, mass rape, human sacrifice, murderous religious intolerance, women as property, slavery as a daily norm, the killing of people the boss finds offensive, and of course the political power of the priestly class.

I still don't understand why all those churches out there are suffering witches to live. The command to kill them is unambiguous.

 

[John D. Brey]

I thank God every day for the good things he/she does.....but I choose to believe God is love, which eliminates the possibility of much of the Bible being inspired by him/her....

Someone came. Surely it was God, God . . . or was it the devil? Who can tell them apart? They exchange faces; God sometimes becomes all darkness, the devil all light, and the mind of man is left in the muddle.

Kazantzakis, The Last Temptation of Christ, 15.​

John

 

[blü 2]

Sorry, if I misunderstood what you said. I don't think Bible says anyone was punished because being a woman, like you said. So, why did you say and multiplies their labor pains because Eve was female?

By what I know, Bible says:

To the woman he said, “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
Gen. 3:16

Notice, it says woman, not women. And, now it would be good to know, what did that mean, how God multiplied it, by sending her way from paradise?

But of course God sent her away from the Garden for reasons [he] clearly states at Genesis 3:22-23 ─ "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good from evil; and now, lest he [Adam, and implicitly Eve] put forth his hand and take also from the tree of life, and live forever ...". That's to say, God was unambiguously protecting [his] own position in the story, nothing else ─ no other reason is mentioned.

And as for its only saying "woman", well, ask any mother if the birthing process is painless to this day. Since in the story no one had born a child to that point, I take "greatly magnify" to mean "greatly magnify relative to the original design specification".

(Another interesting thing about the Garden story is that nowhere, not even once, does it mention sin, or original sin, or a Fall of Man, or death entering the world (they were already meant to die, otherwise there'd be no point in keeping them from the Tree of Life), or 'spiritual death' or disobedience or any of the usual Christian stuff. It's simply not there. Indeed, Ezekiel 18 (all of it, but not least 18:20) states unambiguously that sin is not inheritable. As far as I can tell, the Fall notion first arose as a midrash piece among the Jews of Alexandria late in the 2nd century BCE, was mentioned once by Paul, and largely ignored till Augustine fell in love with it around 400 CE.)

 

[Treasure Hunter]

I thank God every day for the good things he/she does.....but I choose to believe God is love, which eliminates the possibility of much of the Bible being inspired by him/her....

I think this line of thinking made me leave Christianity.

My header is "God is love is love is love"

I believe it to be true, so, how can I simultaneously believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible?

Seriously, can any Christian try to give me an answer?

The love of the father is different from the love of the mother. To condemn God and desire mercy the way you guys are in this thread is truth. God wants you to desire mercy and he wants mercy, but he is not going to relent in that feminine way that you guys are hoping for. He demands that we come into being.

You have heard that the human individual is meant to be the mediator between God and the world, right? The one within the human individual who mediates with God is the Son of Man.

Do you know the story of Noah when he makes God promise that he will never again flood the world? That is the story of the Son of Man.

Do you know the story of Moses when he convinces God to not kill his people the Israelites? That is the story of the Son of Man.

The Son of Man comes into being and imposes righteousness on God through relationship. The measure of judgment you use on another will be used on you. Train and prepare yourself like a warrior preparing for battle. Stop wishing for the father to turn into the mother and show feminine mercy - become male and circumcise yourself from that feminine web. Do all of this in the name of mercy and justice. Come into being.

 

[blü 2]

The love of the father is different from the love of the mother. To condemn God and desire mercy the way you guys are in this thread is truth. God wants you to desire mercy and he wants mercy, but he is not going to relent in that feminine way that you guys are hoping for. He demands that we come into being.

You have heard that the human individual is meant to be the mediator between God and the world, right? The one within the human individual who mediates with God is the Son of Man.

Do you know the story of Noah when he makes God promise that he will never again flood the world? That is the story of the Son of Man.

Do you know the story of Moses when he convinces God to not kill his people the Israelites? That is the story of the Son of Man.

The Son of Man comes into being and imposes righteousness on God through relationship. The measure of judgment you use on another will be used on you. Train and prepare yourself like a warrior preparing for battle. Stop wishing for the father to turn into the mother and show feminine mercy - become male and circumcise yourself from that feminine web. Do all of this in the name of mercy and justice. Come into being.

God is a freakin' thug according to the bible. You worship [him] at your peril ─ for example, look what [he] made [his] own son go through! ─ and for what, exactly, that [he] couldn't have accomplished free of bloodshed with one snap of those omnipotent fingers?

If I have to choose a god ─ which of course I don't ─ I'd go with Ganesha, who likes learning and thinking and also partying. (Though Aphrodite never quite goes away ...)

 

[1213]

And as for its only saying "woman", well, ask any mother if the birthing process is painless to this day. Since in the story no one had born a child to that point, I take "greatly magnify" to mean "greatly magnify relative to the original design specification".

If other mother has pains, it is not necessary because of the Garden episode.

I don't think we know exactly what did it mean and what caused the pain, so, I think it is wrong to accuse God for something wrong in this case.

...they were already meant to die...

I don't think there is any Biblical reason to think so.

 

[blü 2]

If other mother has pains, it is not necessary because of the Garden episode.

The Garden story certainly reads that way.

I don't think we know exactly what did it mean and what caused the pain, so, I think it is wrong to accuse God for something wrong in this case.

Well, whichever way you look at God's management of [his] creation in the Garden, it was astonishingly inept. If you don't want people to eat the fruit of trees A and B, you put trees A and B where the people can't get at them. Funny that didn't occur to God.

And although it's only a story, I've never seen anything wrong with humans knowing good from evil, right from wrong. We ought to celebrate Eve as a heroine of humanity, a legendary great benefactor.

I don't think there is any Biblical reason to think so.

There's the reason I gave you ─ they were expelled from the Garden to stop them from eating the fruit of the tree of life and thus living forever. If they were always going to live forever, then it wouldn't matter at all, wouldn't make the slightest difference, whether they ate that fruit or not.

 

[dybmh]

they were expelled from the Garden to stop them from eating the fruit of the tree of life and thus living forever. If they were always going to live forever, then it wouldn't matter at all, wouldn't make the slightest difference, whether they ate that fruit or not

You skipped a verse:

For Adam and for his wife the Lord God made coats of skins, and clothed them. And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, what if he puts forth his hand, and takes also from the tree of life, and eats, and lives forever;

 

[blü 2]

You skipped a verse:

For Adam and for his wife the Lord God made coats of skins, and clothed them. And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, what if he puts forth his hand, and takes also from the tree of life, and eats, and lives forever;

Only because it was irrelevant to God's motives.

Or are you saying that it implies one of God's motives was that A&E weren't nude any more?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

God is a freakin' thug according to the bible. You worship [him] at your peril ─ for example, look what [he] made [his] own son go through! ─ and for what, exactly, that [he] couldn't have accomplished free of bloodshed with one snap of those omnipotent fingers?

If I have to choose a god ─ which of course I don't ─ I'd go with Ganesha, who likes learning and thinking and also partying. (Though Aphrodite never quite goes away ...)

Do you think reality changes based on which god you choose?

I don’t worship. You completely misunderstood my post if you interpret it as an endorsement for worship.