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The trinity in the old testament

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I do not believe in the trinity. But i know many christians believe the trinity is in the old testament

Bible verses with trinity according to many christians

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth Genesis 1.1
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim. Elohim is a plural noun but it is used here with a singular verb bara. In the remainder of the Old Testament, when Elohim speaks of the true God, it is always used with a singular verb. The conclusion to be drawn is that in some sense God is both singular and plural. The doctrine of the Trinity states this - within the nature of the one God there are three eternal persons.

Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth" (Genesis 1:26).
The phrase "let us" again gives the idea of plurality. The word "us" cannot refer to angels because angels do not create.

The words "let us" is used elsewhere of God speaking in Genesis.
Adam and Eve sinned the Bible records.
Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever (Genesis 3:22).

At the incident at the Tower of Babel we read God saying.
Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech (Genesis 11:7).

Another Plural Name For God - Maker
There is another instance in the Isaiah where there is a second plural name for God
For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is his name; the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called (Isaiah 54:5).
The word translated, "Maker" is plural in Hebrew. Therefore we have a second Hebrew word that is plural that is used of God.

Come near me and listen to this: "From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there. "And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, with his Spirit. This is what the LORD says - your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go (Isaiah 48:16,17).
In verse sixteen, God the Son is speaking. He identifies the Father [the Sovereign Lord] and His Spirit as having sent Him. In the next verse, the Son is clearly spoken of as the Lord. Consequently these verses identify three distinct Persons who are God without denying the fact there is only one God.

Jacob Blessed Joseph Three Times
When Jacob blessed his son Joseph, he used the name of God three times. Each time God's name was identified differently.
Then he blessed Joseph and said, "May the God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life to this day, the Angel who has delivered me from all harm may he bless these boys. May they be called by my name and the names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac, and may they increase greatly upon the earth (Genesis 48:15,16).

In Isaiah 6:3, the angels surrounding God praise Him as being “holy, holy, holy.” The threefold repetition expresses the intensity and completeness of God’s holiness. Some scholars also infer from the angels’ words an expression of the triune nature of God, as the three Persons of the Godhead are each equal in holiness and majesty.

Similarly, we have a threefold repetition of God’s name in Numbers 6:24–26:
“The Lord bless you
and keep you;
the Lord make his face shine on you
and be gracious to you;
the Lord turn his face toward you
and give you peace.”
The blessing’s appeal to “the Lord . . . the Lord . . . the Lord” is seen by some scholars as providing a glimpse of the Trinity.

Abraham was visited by three men one day; the men turned out to be unusual guests, to say the least, and the visit was life-changing for Abraham and Sarah. Genesis 18:1–2 says, “The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.” Abraham showed immediate hospitality to the three men, inviting them to rest under a tree and preparing a big meal for them (verses 3–8).

Some have suggested that all three of these “men” were angelic beings who appeared to Abraham in the form of men. However, Genesis 18:1 says that it was “the LORD” (Yahweh) who appeared to Abraham. It is the LORD who speaks in verses 13, 20, 26, and 33. Abraham stands “before the LORD” in verse 22. So, one of the three “men” must have been God Almighty taking on the appearance of a man.

Any thoughts? Do you believe the old testament teach the trinity? Or do you disagree that the old testament teach the trinity?


 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I do not believe in the trinity. But i know many christians believe the trinity is in the old testament

Bible verses with trinity according to many christians

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth Genesis 1.1
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim. Elohim is a plural noun but it is used here with a singular verb bara. In the remainder of the Old Testament, when Elohim speaks of the true God, it is always used with a singular verb. The conclusion to be drawn is that in some sense God is both singular and plural. The doctrine of the Trinity states this - within the nature of the one God there are three eternal persons.

Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth" (Genesis 1:26).
The phrase "let us" again gives the idea of plurality. The word "us" cannot refer to angels because angels do not create.

The words "let us" is used elsewhere of God speaking in Genesis.
Adam and Eve sinned the Bible records.
Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever (Genesis 3:22).

At the incident at the Tower of Babel we read God saying.
Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech (Genesis 11:7).

Another Plural Name For God - Maker
There is another instance in the Isaiah where there is a second plural name for God
For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is his name; the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called (Isaiah 54:5).
The word translated, "Maker" is plural in Hebrew. Therefore we have a second Hebrew word that is plural that is used of God.

Come near me and listen to this: "From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there. "And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, with his Spirit. This is what the LORD says - your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go (Isaiah 48:16,17).
In verse sixteen, God the Son is speaking. He identifies the Father [the Sovereign Lord] and His Spirit as having sent Him. In the next verse, the Son is clearly spoken of as the Lord. Consequently these verses identify three distinct Persons who are God without denying the fact there is only one God.

Jacob Blessed Joseph Three Times
When Jacob blessed his son Joseph, he used the name of God three times. Each time God's name was identified differently.
Then he blessed Joseph and said, "May the God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life to this day, the Angel who has delivered me from all harm may he bless these boys. May they be called by my name and the names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac, and may they increase greatly upon the earth (Genesis 48:15,16).

In Isaiah 6:3, the angels surrounding God praise Him as being “holy, holy, holy.” The threefold repetition expresses the intensity and completeness of God’s holiness. Some scholars also infer from the angels’ words an expression of the triune nature of God, as the three Persons of the Godhead are each equal in holiness and majesty.

Similarly, we have a threefold repetition of God’s name in Numbers 6:24–26:
“The Lord bless you
and keep you;
the Lord make his face shine on you
and be gracious to you;
the Lord turn his face toward you
and give you peace.”
The blessing’s appeal to “the Lord . . . the Lord . . . the Lord” is seen by some scholars as providing a glimpse of the Trinity.

Abraham was visited by three men one day; the men turned out to be unusual guests, to say the least, and the visit was life-changing for Abraham and Sarah. Genesis 18:1–2 says, “The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.” Abraham showed immediate hospitality to the three men, inviting them to rest under a tree and preparing a big meal for them (verses 3–8).

Some have suggested that all three of these “men” were angelic beings who appeared to Abraham in the form of men. However, Genesis 18:1 says that it was “the LORD” (Yahweh) who appeared to Abraham. It is the LORD who speaks in verses 13, 20, 26, and 33. Abraham stands “before the LORD” in verse 22. So, one of the three “men” must have been God Almighty taking on the appearance of a man.

Any thoughts? Do you believe the old testament teach the trinity? Or do you disagree that the old testament teach the trinity?


" the trinity is in the old testament "

Did one find even a one verse, repeat one verse, in the Torah that mentions the word "trinity" in a clear
unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner in it, please? Right?
If yes, then kindly quote it with reference, please, right?

Regards
 
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King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
Well Jesus is referred to as lord and the holy ghost is the relationship between God and his son the Lord so I'd have to say that the idea of the trinity makes a lot of sense.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...Do you believe the old testament teach the trinity? Or do you disagree that the old testament teach the trinity?
I don't think Old nor New Testament speaks about Trinity. There is no such word in the Bible. And Bible doesn't tell there is 3 Gods, or single God that has 3 persons. Bible tells there is only one true God.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
" the trinity is in the old testament "

Did one find even a one verse, repeat one verse, in the Torah that mentions the word "trinity" in a clear
unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner in it, please? Right?
If yes, then kindly quote it with reference, please, right?

Regards
i did not write *the trinity is in the old testament*. I wrote *Bible verses with trinity according to many christians* and * many christians believe the trinity is in the old testament*

I do not believe in the trinity
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I don't think Old nor New Testament speaks about Trinity. There is no such word in the Bible. And Bible doesn't tell there is 3 Gods, or single God that has 3 persons. Bible tells there is only one true God.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5
I agree with you. But many christians disagree with us. many christians do believe the trinity is in the old testament
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Well Jesus is referred to as lord and the holy ghost is the relationship between God and his son the Lord so I'd have to say that the idea of the trinity makes a lot of sense.
are you christian?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Yes, I believe verses such as the ones you referred to in the OP reveal what we call the Trinity. So, sure. The appearing of God to Abraham in the form of the three man is called a theophany.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I do not believe in the trinity. But i know many christians believe the trinity is in the old testament
How can it be there without reading into the Old Testament? It's not a part of Judaism, after all, it would even be blasphemous as in Judaism god is god amd there are no other gods beside god, so why would it be there?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I don't think Old nor New Testament speaks about Trinity. There is no such word in the Bible. And Bible doesn't tell there is 3 Gods, or single God that has 3 persons. Bible tells there is only one true God.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5
Those don't signify Jesus as god though. They both say there is one god AND the he sent who mediates between god and man, Jesus.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
i did not write *the trinity is in the old testament*. I wrote *Bible verses with trinity according to many christians* and * many christians believe the trinity is in the old testament*

I do not believe in the trinity
If there is no verse in Torah which expressly mentions Trinity, then isn't the Christians who believe as such simply wrong, please? Right?

Regards
 
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