Italian Minister sparks row with "ethnic replacement" warning

[Estro Felino]

No, actually.

And the fact that you think that just proves that you are literally a racist.

Is being racist in Italian DNA? Hope I didn't get that gene.

Also, congrats on finally admitting what I suspected all along.

No...you misread me.
I said...evidently, which doesn't mean surely.
It's what transpires, but I can be wrong.

I don't understand: why shouldn't women be equal to men, in those countries?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No...you misread me.
I said...evidently, which doesn't mean surely.
It's what transpires, but I can be wrong.

Ahhh, the old "get out of racism free card".

"I didn't say it DEFINITELY is because they're black, I'm just asking questions!"

After previously stating that Italians good qualities are "all thanks to our DNA" there can be no argument about this anymore.

You are a racist. You believe race dictates behaviour. You believe certain racial groups should be denied certain privileges in access to certain countries because the things you don't like about where they come from are somehow ingrained in their DNA. "Evidently".

Well, it's not "evident". In fact, it's the opposite of "evident". It's literally factless garbage that has no validity whatsoever.

I would ask you to just admit you're a racist and let this whole thread go, but there's no need. You literally already have, twice.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If what they said in that post strikes you as a "tad Hitler-y" get a load of their next post.

Hey, guys, the new racism just dropped!

Ooooh dear, I think we just surpassed a "tad."

 

[Estro Felino]

Ahhh, the old "get out of racism free card".

"I didn't say it DEFINITELY is because they're black, I'm just asking questions!"

After previously stating that Italians good qualities are "all thanks to our DNA" there can be no argument about this anymore.

You are a racist. You believe race dictates behaviour. You believe certain racial groups should be denied certain privileges in access to certain countries because the things you don't like about where they come from are somehow ingrained in their DNA. "Evidently".

Well, it's not "evident". In fact, it's the opposite of "evident". It's literally factless garbage that has no validity whatsoever.

I would ask you to just admit you're a racist and let this whole thread go, but there's no need. You literally already have, twice.

I am not the only one who said that.
PM Meloni said that we ought to favor migrants from countries whose culture is compatible with ours.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I am not the only one who said that.
PM Meloni said that we ought to favor migrants from countries whose culture is compatible with ours.

You said the good traits of Italians are "all thanks to our DNA" and suggested you cut off immigration from countries that treat women as inferior "because evidently it's in their DNA".

These statements are racist. Do you contest that?

 

[Estro Felino]

You said the good traits of Italians are "all thanks to our DNA" and suggested you cut off immigration from countries that treat women as inferior "because evidently it's in their DNA".

These statements are racist. Do you contest that?

But you didn't tell me why they do that.
Why do they treat them like that.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

But you didn't tell me why they do that.
Why do they treat them like that.

No, you're not changing the subject.

Needless to say, it isn't because of their DNA.

You have not attempted to defend your statements. Do you admit that they are racist?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So, to be clear, you are AGAINST ethno-states now? Despite earlier comparing nations to INDIGENOUS TRIBES and saying that we should respect their lineage in a similar fashion?

Just saying homogeneity is exact the mirror image of what it's trying to defeat.

To use the tried and true Godwin eating mush.....

Germany wanted the world to be one horrid homogeneous German people, homogeneity alone wants commingled undefinable mush with nothing distinctive or unique to ever be said of it.

Both are the same exact thing.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Just saying homogeneity is exact the mirror image of what it's trying to defeat.

To use the tried and true Godwin eating mush.....

Germany wanted the world to be one horrid homogeneous German people, homogeneity alone wants commingled undefinable mush with nothing distinctive or unique to ever be said of it.

Both are the same exact thing.

Now you're just talking jibberish. The Nazis wanted to establish a German ethno-state in central Europe and enforce global racial hegemony.

What are you talking about?

Can any other poster make sense of TH here?

 

[Wandering Monk]

As for citizenship... it's not that different than the other countries.

Please expound. I know of no country that requires DNA for citizenship.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Because my point is that those countries treat women as inferior, because evidently it's in their culture.

Oh, look! You edited your post!

For anyone interested, this post previously read (emphasis mine):

"Because my point is that those countries treat women as inferior, because evidently it's in their DNA."

If you wish to retract a statement, you should openly retract it and admit you were wrong. Don't try to pretend you never said it and then cover up your tracks. That gives the impression that you're being (gasp) dishonest.

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh, look! You edited your post!

For anyone interested, this post previously read (emphasis mine):

"Because my point is that those countries treat women as inferior, because evidently it's in their DNA."

If you wish to retract a statement, you should openly retract it and admit you were wrong. Don't try to pretend you never said it and then cover up your tracks. That gives the impression that you're being (gasp) dishonest.

Culture and DNA are intertwined.
Anthropologists, biologists, sociologists say that.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Culture and DNA are intertwined.

This is just desperate, Estro.

No, they are not. That's absurd. We don't carry our culture in our DNA, and if you believe this then why did you even edit your post?

You said something racist and are desperately trying to cover it up. Admit it.

 

[Estro Felino]

This is just desperate, Estro.

No, they are not. That's absurd. We don't carry our culture in our DNA, and if you believe this then why did you even edit your post?

You said something racist and are desperately trying to cover it up. Admit it.

I won't answer unless you answer my question first. Quid pro quo.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I won't answer unless you answer my question first. Quid pro quo.

At this point, I don't care.

You have explicitly stated racist rhetoric on this forum. Some of the most explicitly racist statements I've seen on this forum.

I will not let you pretend you have not.

 

[Estro Felino]

At this point, I don't care.

You have explicitly stated racist rhetoric on this forum. Some of the most explicitly racist statements I've seen on this forum.

I will not let you pretend you have not.

If you arrange me a night in a hotel with Denzel Washington, I will show you I am not a racist.

I know I am not one.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If you arrange me a night in a hotel with Denzel Washington, I will show you I am not a racist.

I know I am not one.

This is not a joke and I will not let you squirm away from this. Here are your two statements again:

"And since we are a very altruistic, generous Nation who believes that it's all thanks to our DNA, we want to preserve who we are."
- Post 142 Italian Minister sparks row with "ethnic replacement" warning

"Because my point is that those countries treat women as inferior, because evidently it's in their DNA." (prior to edit)
- Post 159 Italian Minister sparks row with "ethnic replacement" warning

These two statements are explicitly racist.

Explain.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It has to do with that. I think Britain voted for Brexit because the EU is becoming a very bad place...with all those fascists.
I mean just think of Hungarians, Polish, Romanians, Slovaks, Slovenians.

People voted for brexit because they were manipulated and lied to.

 

[Estro Felino]

This is not a joke and I will not let you squirm away from this. Here are your two statements again:

"And since we are a very altruistic, generous Nation who believes that it's all thanks to our DNA, we want to preserve who we are."
- Post 142 Italian Minister sparks row with "ethnic replacement" warning

"Because my point is that those countries treat women as inferior, because evidently it's in their DNA." (prior to edit)
- Post 159 Italian Minister sparks row with "ethnic replacement" warning

These two statements are explicitly racist.

Explain.

I didn't mention race in my statement, I mentioned DNA.

If you see Macron and you see Meloni, they don't look that different, Italians and French. On average.
But they are different genetically, because they have had different genetic histories.

Why do the French speak very fast and softly, whereas Italians speak slowly and loud?
Because of DNA.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I am sorry, I won't accept this kind of rhetoric.
Because you perfectly know that Italy is the land of generosity and love.
There are migrants who come from the East, from Africa, from the Americas.
They have become Italian citizens. They are Italians.
So one cannot say that we are wicked people. Because we are not. We are a very altruistic Nation. That accepts minorities, that gives anyone an opportunity.

And since we are a very altruistic, generous Nation who believes that it's all thanks to our DNA, we want to preserve who we are.
Because in other countries there are nations who persecute minorities, who persecute atheists, who treat women as third class citizens.

If these people take over in Europe, they will be doing the same thing they do in their countries of origin.

There's no evidence whatsoever that a nation's DNA has anything to do with how it treats minorities, persecutes atheists, or treats women. All of these are tied into material conditions such as education, economy, history, and politics.

Also, you're not the only Italian I know, and thankfully, I'm aware that a lot of the claims you make about Italy are both inaccurate and not representative of all Italians. Many would utterly condemn this kind of rhetoric about "DNA" that shares similarities with eugenics and other genocidal ideologies.

It is disturbing yet unsurprising to see that if I moved to another country, some people would think of me, a person who desires to be a skilled, legal immigrant in another part of the world, as someone with a DNA-based propensity for oppressing others or as an intruder who should be kicked out or worse just because of my ethnicity.