Does the Apostle Paul claim that Jesus Christ, the holy anointed man, is Almighty God?

[Soapy]

“I and my Father are one” (John 10:30) means that whatever pertains to Jesus, all His acts and doings, are identical with the Will of the Father. Jesus and God also share the same Holy Spirit, so in that sense they are one and the same. Jesus also shares some (but not all) the Attributes of God so in that sense they are one and the same. The verse below says that God was manifest in the flesh; it does not say that God became flesh. God cannot become flesh because God is everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men. No one has ever seen God (John 1:18, 1 John 4:12). Many people saw Jesus so that means that Jesus was not God

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus was a Servant of God and that is why Jesus said to the Jews:

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Er, hello… the verse DOES NOT SAY that God was manifest in the flesh. Even a courtesy glance at the Greek text would show you that. Why didn’t you check - Oh, you didn’t want to because it would show you were wrong! But look here:

• “This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,” (1 John 4:2)
• “…Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.” (Hebrews 3:1)

Indeed, is God a high priest? Whom is God a high priest to?
Is God an apostle? Whom is God apostatising for?

You are saying that it wasn’t Jesus Christ BUT GOD who came in the flesh?

But the Greek says ‘Hos’ which is “who, which, what, that”. There is no link to ‘GOD coming anywhere’. In fact, there is absolutely no text anywhere in scriptures where ‘GOD’ comes to mankind or into his creation.

I see you try to make some careful claims but fail none the less. The Father is in Jesus BY HIS SPIRIT OF TRUTH. Jesus fully expresses the truth that comes from the Father and therefore the two are in union with each other:
If I do all that my Father shows me to do and I say all that my Father teaches me to say, am I my Father?
If a king sends an ambassador to his people in a far place and that ambassador expresses exactly what he is told to express to the people, is the ambassador the king?

As a point in question: How do you feel when the truth is shown you and you have to purposely be deceitful with a response? Doesn’t it worry you that you are discrediting the very God you would claim to be worshipping? Remember, I did state that you should consider deeply before you replied.

 

[Soapy]

I am suggesting that they either ignored these verses or they misunderstood what they mean.
Clearly, they demonstrate that Jesus is not God, but the Church does not care because they have an agenda, and Jesus has to be God in order to fulfill their agenda.

Yes, Scriptures must be fulfilled and the whore of Babylon in whom the kings of the earth have indulged must also be so! Our role is to publish the truth to those within that system and state clearly: ‘Get out of her lest you also suffer the sins awaiting her!’ (Paraphrased).

(Kings, here, means ‘Great leaders’ which clearly point to the church heads : Catholics, Protestants, Jesus-Only, … all sects of trinitarian Christianity who thus claim that Jesus is God or any kind of three-person or two-person God!)

 

[Soapy]

Do you really think none of the theologians of the Christian church, over the last 2000 years, have been aware of these passages? Or are you alleging a grand conspiracy to pervert their true meaning?

It was the church that perverted the scriptures and then had the perversion ratified as ‘Gospel’ by the Romans. It was the same church that claimed the earth was the centre of the universe …. And killed or tortured anyone who said against it… Until it was proved that the church was wrong……!

And the church is still wrong today about its Roman Catholic doctrine which all trinity churches must abide by or be excommunicated.

 

[InChrist]

Are you saying that Jesus Christ is YHWH… (please be aware what you are replying if you do claim that Jesus is YHWH!!)

Jesus is YWHW…


God in the Old Testament
I AM (Exodus 3:14–15; Isaiah 48:12)
The Shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
The Light (Psalm 27:1)
The Rock (Psalm 18:2)
Ruler of all (Isaiah 9:6)
Judge of all nations (Joel 3:12)
The Bridegroom (Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:16)
God’s Word never passes away (Isaiah 40:8)
The Sower (Jeremiah 31:27; Ezra 34:9)
First and the Last (Isaiah 48:12)

Jesus’ Reference to Himself
I AM (John 8:58)
The Shepherd (John 10:11)
The Light (John 8:12)
The Rock (Matthew 7:24)
Ruler of all (Matthew 28:18)
Judge of all (John 5:22)
The Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1)
Jesus’ words never pass away (Mark 13:31)
The Sower (Matthew 13:3–9)
First and the Last (Revelation 1:17–18)



Is Jesus Yahweh? Is Jesus Jehovah? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Soapy]

Trinitarians do not have a leg to stand on, because the Bible proves that Jesus is not God. Here are only a few of the verses I selected.

Jesus claimed to reveal God, Whom He called Father, but Jesus differentiated Himself from God:

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself:

John 8:40 But now ye seek to slay me, a man that have spoken to you [the] truth, that I heard of God; Abraham did not this thing.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Jesus said that God was greater than He was:

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

How could Jesus pray to and go to the Father if Jesus WAS the God the Father?

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Moreover, Jesus said that no man has ever seen God:

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Jesus said He was from God and that God sent Him, again differentiating Himself from God:

John 17:3 And eternal life means to know you, the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you sent.

John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. 29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.

Jesus even stated specifically that the Father had knowledge which was not possessed by the Son.

Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Jesus referred to Himself as a Prophet, and was so regarded. Jesus never referred to Himself as God.

Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

Matthew 21:11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

Luke 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.

Jesus IS NOT God Bible Quotes... Continued:

2 Corinthians 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Hosea 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

‘For God will send them a spirit of delusion so that they will believe the lie’…

Scriptures must be fulfilled - but woe unto him whom it is given to cause it to be so…

Their prize is to know they misled many but unknowingly they swallow a poisoned pill - the only remedy is REPENTANCE!!!

 

[Soapy]

Jesus is YWHW…


God in the Old Testament
I AM (Exodus 3:14–15; Isaiah 48:12)
The Shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
The Light (Psalm 27:1)
The Rock (Psalm 18:2)
Ruler of all (Isaiah 9:6)
Judge of all nations (Joel 3:12)
The Bridegroom (Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:16)
God’s Word never passes away (Isaiah 40:8)
The Sower (Jeremiah 31:27; Ezra 34:9)
First and the Last (Isaiah 48:12)

Jesus’ Reference to Himself
I AM (John 8:58)
The Shepherd (John 10:11)
The Light (John 8:12)
The Rock (Matthew 7:24)
Ruler of all (Matthew 28:18)
Judge of all (John 5:22)
The Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1)
Jesus’ words never pass away (Mark 13:31)
The Sower (Matthew 13:3–9)
First and the Last (Revelation 1:17–18)



Is Jesus Yahweh? Is Jesus Jehovah? | GotQuestions.org

If you are quoting from gotQuestion then it is certain that there is no truth in what you say (even if it appears in one place to be true, the whole will be false!)

 

[Soapy]

Actually, why was Jesus Anointed BY GOD if he WAS GOD?

 

[InChrist]

Actually, why was Jesus Anointed BY GOD if he WAS GOD?

Because He lowered Himself and became flesh/human. The Father God anointed His Son for His earthly ministry.

 

[InChrist]

If you are quoting from gotQuestion then it is certain that there is no truth in what you say (even if it appears in one place to be true, the whole will be false!)

That’s merely your opinion.

 

[Brian2]

It is claimed that the Apostles Paul said:

• For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.“ (1 Cor 8:5-6)

The verses first says that there is only one God [who is] the Father, FROM WHOM ALL THINGS CAME.

The verse continues saying that ‘There is only one Lord [who is] Jesus Christ.’

But then it says something strange and counter-intuitive. It says that all things came ‘THROUGH’ Jesus Christ.

But if all things came FROM THE FATHER, how did all things come THROUGH JESUS CHRIST?
((Recall also that trinity says that it was Jesus Christ who created all things….?!))

All [good] things are from the Father:

• “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.“ (James 1:17)
• “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,” (Isaiah 44:24)

We know that the ‘LORD’ is ‘YHWH’, God; the Father. And it states in that verse in Isaiah that it is ‘YHWH’ that created all things.

Why then does of ‘appear’ that Paul is claiming all things CAME TO BE THROUGH Jesus Christ?

Could this actually be an example of MISTRANSLATION OR ADDITIONAL TEXT by the trinitarian translators attempting to claim that it ‘YHWH’ lied that he and he alone, created all things?
((Recall also that trinity says that it was Jesus Christ who created all things….?!))

Think what it would mean for the preaching of Almighty God, and his SERVANT Christ, to be brought into disrepute for the sake of deviant ideology?

Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by Myself spread out the earth,

Speaking about the Son, God says:
Hebrews 1:10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.

When we compare Isa 44:24 and Heb 1:10 we can see that the Son is YHWH.
Saying this does not deny that the Father and the Holy Spirit are also YHWH however.

 

[Brian2]

Actually, why was Jesus Anointed BY GOD if he WAS GOD?

The Father appointed His Son.

 

[Nimos]

Why then does of ‘appear’ that Paul is claiming all things CAME TO BE THROUGH Jesus Christ?

Could this actually be an example of MISTRANSLATION OR ADDITIONAL TEXT by the trinitarian translators attempting to claim that it ‘YHWH’ lied that he and he alone, created all things?

I don't think it is a mistranslation, but merely an example of how the view of God or the religion changed over time, no different than people would today if there are different opinions on something. When you read the bible there is a massive difference between God from the beginning to the end, to the point where one could almost argue that it is a different God I would say

And my guess is that some believers at the time might have wanted someone who seemed more relatable and closer to them than God. And therefore we get Jesus, God is no longer just this powerful being ruling the Jews with an iron fist, but now he is "one" with the people so to speak. And for some, the Christians, this was more appealing and for the rest God of the OT was. My guess is that we are reading different views from these people in the period where this split or change is taking place. And over time they have been mixed together, which could also explain the huge amount of contradictions found in the bible, why God seems to change personality, and why Jesus if he is as important as he is, is not mentioned at all in the OT and why God that we know from the OT, seems to completely vanish in the NT.

I think Paul is probably one of the people that speak for the final change as we know it. Because there are differences between what he says and what Peter (pretty sure it is him) says, where Paul is the one that argues that you just have to believe in Jesus in order to be saved, while Peter says that you have to follow the law. Paul from what I can see is clearly contradicting what Peter, Jesus and God say, which is that one is saved by following the law, and that is the only way. Jesus says the same thing as God, that it is only God that can save you and no one else, and therefore Jesus confirms God in this.

But my guess is that Paul wanted Jesus to have a more central part and needed him to be God in that sense, otherwise, he wouldn't be able to claim what he did.

Obviously, this is just my guess, but to me at least, there are way too many contradictions, weird or lacking explanations in the bible for it to be read as if it is one single understanding of how things are.

My personal view when I read it, was that there is no trinity, there is God and Jesus as the son, who is not equal to that God.

 

[Trailblazer]

Er, hello… the verse DOES NOT SAY that God was manifest in the flesh. Even a courtesy glance at the Greek text would show you that.

I don't know what the Greek text says, but the KJV says that God was manifest in the flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

That God was manifest in the flesh does not mean that Jesus was God. It means that some but not all of the Attributes of God were manifested in Jesus.

According to the Bible God is: Eternal, Holy, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, Immaterial, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient.

According to the Bible Jesus is: Holy, Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, and Patient, but Jesus is not Eternal, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Infallible, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, or Immaterial.

And that is why Jesus cannot be God, since Jesus only has SOME of the Attributes of God, not ALL of the Attributes of God.

This is logic 101 stuff.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

It's not hard to understand at all. You are just trying to make it hard.
Jesus and the Father are One.

But the Father is greater than I (Jesus)

 

[Trailblazer]

The Father appointed His Son.

That's true, and that means the Father and the Son are two separate entities.

 

[Trailblazer]

Because He lowered Himself and became flesh/human.

God cannot lower Himself and become a man, unless the Bible is wrong.

Hosea 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

If Jesus was the image of God that means Jesus was not God, since an image is not the same as what it reflects.
If God is invisible, that means Jesus was not God, since Jesus was visible to many people.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

If Jesus was a mediator 'between' God and man, that means Jesus was not God or a man. Jesus was a Manifestation of God who has a twofold nature, so He was both human and divine, which is what He could serve as a mediator between God and man.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

 

[101G]

To all,
@Wildswanderer, he is 100% correct, it's the same one God who is the same one person. only in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, or RANK., as to who made all things..

let the scripture prove it out. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

understand, if the LORD was "ALONE" and "BY", "BY", "BY" himself, then he didn't go .... THROUGH anyone, because there was no one else present beside himself to go through. let's read . 1 Corinthians 8:5 again, "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)" 1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

understand the term "BY".... this is an OLD ENGLISH WORD, which one needs an OLD ENGLISH DICTIONARY to understand the term.

using the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English as a prep.. definition #3. states, Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;"

he, the Lord, Jesus is the PERSON "WITH" or "BY" as the agent or the cause. see, it can be used as Through, or with, but it must be in correct context with all scriptures. and WITH is the correct choice of answer. and here's why.

as said, by Wildswanderer, the Father and the Son are the same one PERSON in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, or RANK as the First and Last in Ordinal designation. let's prove it by scripture.

WATCH the "WITH". Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

I am he, the LORD.... ONE PERSON, and this ONE PERSON is "WITH" the Last correct, now this,

Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, it's the same one PERSON..

HOW? in an H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') of "ONE". meaning God in EQUAL Share of himself in flesh as Lord.

Just as in John 1:1b .... "The Word was WITH God"..... now John 1:1c, "and the Word was God". with God is God, the same one PERSON, only in an ECHAD of his own-self.

so there is no mistake, in the writing, no mistranslation, nor an addition, just a poor misunderstanding of a CHOICE of the RIGHT DEFINITION of a WORD, without the LEAD of the Holy Spirit to Guide us in all TRUTH. that's all. let the Holy Spirit guide us.

as the scriptures states.... "STUDY to show thy-self approved unto God".

hoped this helped.

101G.

 

[Trailblazer]

Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by Myself spread out the earth,

Speaking about the Son, God says:
Hebrews 1:10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.

When we compare Isa 44:24 and Heb 1:10 we can see that the Son is YHWH.
Saying this does not deny that the Father and the Holy Spirit are also YHWH however.

I read that verse in context and Hebrews 1:10 is not God speaking about the Son.
It is Jesus the Son speaking about God the Father, calling Him Lord.
In the beginning the Lord God hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of God's hand.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hand

 

[Brian2]

That's true, and that means the Father and the Son are two separate entities.

They are 2 distinct entities, but are never separate imo.

 

[Brian2]

God cannot lower Himself and become a man, unless the Bible is wrong.

The Father did not become a man, He sent His Son to become a man. So the totality of God did not become a man.

Hosea 11:9

I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

God is not a man but that does not mean that God cannot become a man if He so chooses.

Numbers 23:19

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

That means that God does not lie as men do, He is trustworthy.

If Jesus was the image of God that means Jesus was not God, since an image is not the same as what it reflects.
If God is invisible, that means Jesus was not God, since Jesus was visible to many people.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

Before the Son became a man He was in the form of God and invisible. Then He stepped into the creation as a man with a body and became visible but still exactly like His Father, the image of His Father.
Jesus was the visible manifestation of God as a man.

If Jesus was a mediator 'between' God and man, that means Jesus was not God or a man. Jesus was a Manifestation of God who has a twofold nature, so He was both human and divine, which is what He could serve as a mediator between God and man.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Jesus IS now both God and man. Sounds like a good mediator between God and man to me.