JESUS, God, the Ordinal First and Last

[Fool]

GINOLJC, to all,
You nor I or anyone one conceived of human parents and born of a woman is not God.

yes, I'm aware of Philippians 2, and 2:9. as well as 2"10 and 11, (see Isaiah 45:23).

101G

Not a problem.

Matthew 23:9

You were obviously born from below

 

[Fool]

was he not in Heaven as Father at the same time he was on as Son? see John 3:13......

101G.

No

Christ was. A personality is born I'm the earth.

Furthermore melchizedec was called the Son of God? Why aren't you fawning over him?

Hebrews 7:3

 

[dybmh]

Personal Opinion again..... ok, so who was pierced, or stabbed? and who poured out the Spirit of Grace upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem? you answer please...... (smile), LOL, LOL,

101G.

It's not me, nor my personal opinion. It is the Lord's scripture which you are misquoting. I showed you this before, but I'll show you again. You seem to like big bold font, so I'll use that too. I hope it helps.

Zecharia 12:3 :

3 And it shall come to pass on that day that I will make Jerusalem a stone of burden for all peoples; all who bear it shall be gashed, and all the nations of the earth shall gather about it.
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Who *will be* getting pierced? "ALL THOSE WHO BEAR JERUSALEM". Not my opinion. That's the Lord's scripture.

Who *will be* pouring out grace and supplication? It's the LORD.

 

[101G]

Not a problem.

Matthew 23:9

You were obviously born from below

all of us are born below. once BORN AGAIN, then one is of the Father, from ABOVE.......

101G.

 

[101G]

No

Christ was. A personality is born I'm the earth.

Furthermore melchizedec was called the Son of God? Why aren't you fawning over him?

Hebrews 7:3

ERROR, JESUS IS NOT BORN, the Son of God, the flesh he came in is Born. did you not read Isaiah 9:6? also understand spirit are never born, but Given, see Isaiah 42:5

and Christ is a "EXPRESS" or Exact character, or the characteristics of God personified in Flesh and Blood. Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

Express Image is the Greek word, G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image

this is why he is called "Son", which has nothing to do with biology. but character

101G.

 

[Fool]

all of us are born below. once BORN AGAIN, then one is of the Father, from ABOVE.......

101G.

No.

Again being agnostic, a believer and not a knower you're deluding self.

We were spirits before the earth experience. This is what Jacob's ladder and angels = spirits ascending/descending upon the Son of man symbolize.

The first death is the spirit becoming entombed in the body. That is the 1st birth of the carnal. The Spirit coming into the earthly experience.

The 2nd death is the Spirit vacating that temple of clay. That is when those Jesus called dead are awakened to life everlasting and possibly contempt as Daniel described it

Revelation 2:11

Revelation 20:6

Revelation 21:8

 

[Fool]

ERROR, JESUS IS NOT BORN, the Son of God, the flesh he came in is Born. did you not read Isaiah 9:6? also understand spirit are never born, but Given, see Isaiah 42:5

and Christ is a "EXPRESS" or Exact character, or the characteristics of God personified in Flesh and Blood. Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

Express Image is the Greek word, G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image

this is why he is called "Son", which has nothing to do with biology. but character

101G.

So now you're claiming the bible is in error and Jeaus was not born to Mary?

Or the person Jesus wasn't named by Mary? Or Joseph? Or born in Bethlehem of judea?

 

[101G]

It's not me, nor my personal opinion. It is the Lord's scripture which you are misquoting. I showed you this before, but I'll show you again. You seem to like big bold font, so I'll use that too. I hope it helps.

Zecharia 12:3 :

3 And it shall come to pass on that day that I will make Jerusalem a stone of burden for all peoples; all who bear it shall be gashed, and all the nations of the earth shall gather about it.
​

Who *will be* getting pierced? "ALL THOSE WHO BEAR JERUSALEM". Not my opinion. That's the Lord's scripture.

Who *will be* pouring out grace and supplication? It's the LORD.

so it's the LORD who poured out his Spirit, of GRACE and supplication.

well; then you have a BIG PROBLEM, because GRACE came by Jesus Christ. and it was Jesus who poured out his Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, at JERUSALEM when ALL NATIONS was there in celebration , supportive scripture, Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." Acts 2:2 "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting." Acts 2:3 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them." Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."

how many nations? EVERY.

was this not foretold? yes, Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."

let's see who "POURED OUT" his Spirit, you said it was the "LORD", let's see. Acts 2:14 "But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:" Acts 2:15 "For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day." Acts 2:16 "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;" Acts 2:17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"Acts 2:18 "And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:"

here the apostle Peter is recalling what God/the LORD sais in Jole... correct. and God said that he, he, he, will pour out his Sprit upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem. well listen to the apostle Peter clearly, Acts 2:14 "But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem
and there was MANY DWELING at Jerusalem from how many NATIONS? ... EVERY... BINGO.
NOW GOD said that he, the LORD will Pour out his Spirit of Grace and supplications, meaning the Holy Spirit, right. Acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."
Jesus shed Forth his Spirit, and the Greek term Shed Forth is.
G1632 ἐκχέω ekcheo (ek-che'-ō) v.
ἐκχύνω ekchuno (ek-chï '-nō) [by variation]
1. to pour forth.
2. (figuratively) to bestow.
[from G1537 and cheo “to pour”]
KJV: gush (pour) out, run greedily (out), shed (abroad, forth), spill
Root(s): G1537

so, it is the Lord JESU who poured out his Spirit of GRACE and supplications. for it was JESUS/God who was in the Prophets of OLD prophesying all of this. supportive scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

there is that "GRACE" Zechariah spoke of to come. and is not the Holy Spirit the Spirit of supplications/PRAYER? yes, Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
BINGO, there is that supplications/PRAYER.

well dybmh, the scriptures is not supporting nothing that you said, but the OT Scriptures and the NT scriptures they are in agreement. ..... , but just not with you.

so try again, you're reproved by OT, and NT Scriptures.

we suggest you re-read this Post for edification, with a better understanding.

101G.

 

[dybmh]

so it's the LORD who poured out his Spirit, of GRACE and supplication.

Will pour, future tense.

well; then you have a BIG PROBLEM, because GRACE came by Jesus Christ. and it was Jesus who poured out his Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, at JERUSALEM when ALL NATIONS was there in celebration , supportive scripture, Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." Acts 2:2 "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting." Acts 2:3 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them." Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."

how many nations? EVERY.

It's not a problem at all, my friend.

1. God isn't pierced here ( it doesn't match the Christian version of Zechariah 12:10 )
2. The nations gathered in Jerusalem not around it ( it doesn't match Zechariah 12:3 )
3. The nations are "in one accord", no conflict ( it doesn't match Zechariah 12 at all )
4. If anyone is pierced in this story it's the nations that have gathered; they're pierced by the Holy Spirit. ( it doesn't match Zechariah 12:3, the nations are doing the piercing )

was this not foretold? yes, Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."

Well, this hasn't happened yet, obviously. It's in the quote you made bold and red. All flesh includes everyone. All flesh are not prophets. At least not yet.

well dybmh, the scriptures is not supporting nothing that you said, but the OT Scriptures and the NT scriptures they are in agreement. ..... , but just not with you.

The four points I made above say otherwise. The NT scriptures you brought do not match Zechariah and they don't match Joel.

As I said, the typical Christian version of Zecharia 12:10 is mistranslated and taken out of context. God is not CLEARLY pierced as you proclaimed. And really, someone taking the OT scripture and writing fan fiction is he easiest explanation for what you are observing as "agreement".

 

[101G]

We were spirits before the earth experience.

Another ERROR of the DAY, we're NOTHING before the word, or world was. let's break it down.

your spirit, it's not your or you, it's God who gave it. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" the spirit is Given unto us at birth. and it's God's because when we die the spirit returns to God who gave it in the First place.

your Body. it's not yours either. you rent it without charge..... lol, because when you die it returns to the earth where is came from, dust, dirt, and the EARTH is the Lord's for he made it. so your body is not yours.

your Soul. it's not you, or yours either, Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die."

let's see. your spirit is not yours, your body is not yours, and your soul is not yours...... meaning you're NOTHING without God...... . Oh how IGNORANT some of us are.

think about it.... as the song goes, "Nothing from nothing leaves NOTHING". ...... YIKES!
101G.

 

[101G]

So now you're claiming the bible is in error and Jeaus was not born to Mary?

Or the person Jesus wasn't named by Mary? Or Joseph? Or born in Bethlehem of judea?

Let's check the RECORD. Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb."

before, not just the birth of the flesh, but before the conception, let me say that again... BEFORE THE CONCEPTION, the NAME was already in Existence.... LOL, LOL, LOL, ..... now what you were saying about the Bible being in ERROR? ...... thought so.

you need to understand the Difference between the Son of God, (that which was BORN), and the the Son of Man who is not BORN, but GIVEN, as all spirits.... (smile) .... lol. Oh dear.

listen, John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."

STOP THE PRESS, what did you say Lord Jesus? "I am not of this world." if he's not of this world then he, the Spirit God is not BORN......... Read John 8:23 over and over again,

101G.

101G.

 

[Fool]

Another ERROR of the DAY, we're NOTHING before the word, or world was. let's break it down.

your spirit, it's not your or you, it's God who gave it. supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" the spirit is Given unto us at birth. and it's God's because when we die the spirit returns to God who gave it in the First place.

your Body. it's not yours either. you rent it without charge..... lol, because when you die it returns to the earth where is came from, dust, dirt, and the EARTH is the Lord's for he made it. so your body is not yours.

your Soul. it's not you, or yours either, Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die."

let's see. your spirit is not yours, your body is not yours, and your soul is not yours...... meaning you're NOTHING without God...... . Oh how IGNORANT some of us are.

think about it.... as the song goes, "Nothing from nothing leaves NOTHING". ...... YIKES!
101G.

Ecclesiastes 12:7

Which Paul agrees with

1 Corinthians 6:19-20

The spirit exists before the incarnation into flesh.

Obviously Paul was talking to the clueless folks that didn't realize that the spirit they had was God's. Basically what Jesus called the dead.

Ecclesiastes 9:5

 

[Fool]

Let's check the RECORD. Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb."

before, not just the birth of the flesh, but before the conception, let me say that again... BEFORE THE CONCEPTION, the NAME was already in Existence.... LOL, LOL, LOL, ..... now what you were saying about the Bible being in ERROR? ...... thought so.

you need to understand the Difference between the Son of God, (that which was BORN), and the the Son of Man who is not BORN, but GIVEN, as all spirits.... (smile) .... lol. Oh dear.

listen, John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."

STOP THE PRESS, what did you say Lord Jesus? "I am not of this world." if he's not of this world then he, the Spirit God is not BORN......... Read John 8:23 over and over again,

101G.

101G.

So an angel named him Jesus. An angel isn't the most high God or father.

The Father's name isn't Jesus.

So you proved me right. Jesus isn't the name God gave him.

Looks like the angel could have been a human. The word can imply a messenger = prophet or pastor

Strong’s Definitions
G71; compare G34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

Ezekiel was called the Son of man. Again I showed that it is a general Jewish term referencing mankind as a group. It literally translates as Son of Adam. CS Lewis used it in his writings


Nothing astonishing about that

Son of Adam but not Eve? Daughter of Eve but not Adam?

MAN, SON OF - JewishEncyclopedia.com

 

[101G]

Will pour, future tense.

correct, from Joel and Zechariah time of writing, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was Future...... fulfilled on the DAY of Pentecost. .... YIKES!

It's not a problem at all, my friend.

We know, but for you..... (smile), let's see.

God isn't pierced here ( it doesn't match the Christian version of Zechariah 12:10 )

God was.... in Flesh. did you not read? Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." HIS "OWN ARM?" yes, let's see his "OWN ARM".

Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" he was REVEALED when he came into his creation as the CHRIST. just read all of Isaiah chapter 53 and one will see, or as said, "God's Holy ARM ...... REVEALED". yes, the Christ God's "OWN ARM" ..... in flesh.... Oh this is too easy.

The nations gathered in Jerusalem not around it ( it doesn't match Zechariah 12:3 )

Listen and LEARN, Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." BINGO, you;re reproved by the bible.

The nations are "in one accord", no conflict ( it doesn't match Zechariah 12 at all )

see above..... (smile) ..lol. Oh my.

f anyone is pierced in this story it's the nations that have gathered; they're pierced by the Holy Spirit. ( it doesn't match Zechariah 12:3, the nations are doing the piercing )

again another ERROR on your Part. watch this EVEN after the cross, the Holy Spirit pierced many HEARTS, LISTEN, after the apostle Peter preached to them what God/Jesus said by Joel, they responded, Acts 2:37 "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
and the GREEK word for pricked here is,
G2660 κατανύσσω katanusso (ka-ta-nïs'-sō) v.
1. to pierce thoroughly.
2. (figuratively) to agitate violently (“sting to the quick”).
[from G2596 and G3572]
KJV: prick
Root(s): G2596, G3572

see definition #1. ...... to pierce thoroughly.
NOW, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?

Well, this hasn't happened yet, obviously. It's in the quote you made bold and red. All flesh includes everyone. All flesh are not prophets. At least not yet.

another ERROR on your Part. All is not inclusive unless specify. Notice all Flesh, Jewish flesh, and Gentile flesh..... was is not poured out on the GENTILES also.... you better see our brother Captain Cornelius in Acts Chapter 10..... YIKES! ... Oh this is just 2 easy not to be understood.

The four points I made above say otherwise. The NT scriptures you brought do not match Zechariah and they don't match Joel.

Oh yes they do, see above again.... OUCH.

As I said, the typical Christian version of Zecharia 12:10 is mistranslated and taken out of context. God is not CLEARLY pierced as you proclaimed. And really, someone taking the OT scripture and writing fan fiction is he easiest explanation for what you are observing as "agreement".

Personal opinions, I don't even worry about..... lol, lol, lol.

Let's see. you have been reprove on all points.

101G.

 

[101G]

Ecclesiastes 12:7

Which Paul agrees with

1 Corinthians 6:19-20

The spirit exists before the incarnation into flesh.

did I not say this.... are you reading my posts?

101G.

 

[101G]

So an angel named him Jesus. An angel isn't the most high God or father.

are you for real?

The Father's name isn't Jesus.

it is

Looks like the angel could have been a human. The word can imply a messenger = prophet or pastor

Strong’s Definitions
G71; compare G34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

Ezekiel was called the Son of man. Again I showed that it is a general Jewish term referencing mankind as a group. It literally translates as Son of Adam. CS Lewis used it in his writings

Son of man? did Ezekiel have human parents. thank you. Son of Adam.... and? was not Adam CREATED? Adam had a beginning, but the Lord Jesus has no beginning, and no END... according to the Spirit..... this is just 2 easy.

Son of Adam but not Eve? Daughter of Eve but not Adam?

MAN, SON OF - JewishEncyclopedia.com

keep on reading that and not the bible, and you will stay in darkness.

101G.

 

[dybmh]

NOW, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?

Sure! Why not?

God was.... in Flesh. did you not read? Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." HIS "OWN ARM?" yes, let's see his "OWN ARM".

Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" he was REVEALED when he came into his creation as the CHRIST. just read all of Isaiah chapter 53 and one will see, or as said, "God's Holy ARM ...... REVEALED". yes, the Christ God's "OWN ARM" ..... in flesh.... Oh this is too easy.

Hyper-literal undertanding here ^^

All is not inclusive unless specify.

Figurative understanding here ^^

Flip-flop, hypocrisy demonstrated.

Let's see. you have been reprove on all points.

Point 1: God is not pierced in Acts 2. True. Has not been reproved.
Point 2: The nations did not surround Jerusalem. True. It's all happening in Jerusalem. Has not been reproved.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

In one place is not surrounding Jerusalem.
​

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

dwelling surrounding Jerusalem? No.
​

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

How could everyone hear Peter if they were surrounding the city? Answer: they can't.
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Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Seems pretty obvious they were in the city.
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Acts 3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.

Yup, they were IN THE CITY, not surrounding it.
​

Point 3: The nations are in one accord, no conflict. True. Has not been reproved.
Point 4: The ones who have been pierced are the nations. True and you admitted it.

 

[101G]

@dybmh,
thanks for the ammo on the Nations being pierced, that something more I can use with Jews translating Hebrew their way.
yes, Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."

and they, (the nations said), Acts 2:37 "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?" Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."


RECEIVE THE SPIRIT OF "GRACE" AND "SUPPLICATIONS", THE HOLY SPIRIT.

thanks, my friend.

101G

 

[101G]

Point 1: God is not pierced in Acts 2. True. Has not been reproved.

no, he, God was pierced before Act 2, that's why he poured out his Spirit because of his DEATH,,,, Natural death of the Flesh, and his resurrection. ...

Point 2: The nations did not surround Jerusalem. True. It's all happening in Jerusalem.

did I not say that, listen, Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." ... (smile).
so you're REPROVED ..... AGAIN, and AGAIN.

The nations are in one accord, no conflict. True.

"devout men, out of every nation under heaven."... this is Just 2 easy.

The ones who have been pierced are the nations.

yes, and God was pierced before, and because of his piercing, on the Cross, these nations was pierced by his out pouring of his, his, his, Spirit.


you're REPROVE, again, and again,

why not add something else.... dig a deeper hole.....

101G.

 

[dybmh]

@101G,

How does Peter address them if they were surrounding Jerusalem?

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: